January 10, 20232 yr 5 hours ago, hobbes2702 said: Both of those coaches have significantly less to show for their talent than Cal does. If your point was that Cal did more with his talent than either of those two did then we made the same point. You’re welcome to look at the data and attempt whatever point you think you made, but you’ll find that those two examples are poor comparisons to Cal because they won significantly less. Yes I don’t give a shit about vacated titles because I’m not 12 years old. Oh no he cheated on Rose’s grades? It’s almost like college one and dones aren’t real student athletes. I guess I’m a piece of crap for being happy that a guy who’s money making potential was tied to his ability to play basketball wasn’t denied his opportunity because of stupid rules that make players go to college. Go ahead and mention the up and comers that you would take over Cal? Let’s hear it. Who’s the Coach K for us? Yes your intellect is truly dizzying. We should all bow down to your 1950s understanding of basketball and the world. Did you ever meet Bill Little lol? Again I encourage you to talk to some baseball players, longtime baseball fans, and former coaches. I have no problem saying Bill Little is a douchebag. I’m not sure how that’s a cheap shot but I guess you can cry more about it if you’d like. As a former player, I knew Bill Little well. He came with us on many road trips. We were good friends for years. If he had problems with some of the baseball people, I don't care just like you don't care if coaches cheat. As far as the up and comers, I have no clue. That's CDC's job. I bet you never heard of the LSU football coach when he was at Grand Valley State I believe or when Urban was at Bowling Green. Coach K came from powerhouse Army Huggie Bear coached at Walsh College and Akron and the list goes on and on. Derrick Rose making a lot of money is irrelevant. Goof for him but Cal cheated to get him into Memphis. As far as the 1950s, the fundamentals are the same. See you just learned something.
January 10, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, shadow_operative said: so you believe that sean miller would leave xavier 3.5 months from now for the Texas job? Why wouldn't he.
January 10, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, realgreggym said: As a former player, I knew Bill Little well. He came with us on many road trips. We were good friends for years. If he had problems with some of the baseball people, I don't care just like you don't care if coaches cheat. As far as the up and comers, I have no clue. That's CDC's job. I bet you never heard of the LSU football coach when he was at Grand Valley State I believe or when Urban was at Bowling Green. Coach K came from powerhouse Army Huggie Bear coached at Walsh College and Akron and the list goes on and on. Derrick Rose making a lot of money is irrelevant. Goof for him but Cal cheated to get him into Memphis. As far as the 1950s, the fundamentals are the same. See you just learned something.
January 10, 20232 yr 33 minutes ago, ztejas said: Why wouldn't he. first he coached at Xavier from 2001-2009, and then after being fired by arizona they gave him a nice, soft landing spot and welcomed him home. you'd have to be one epically huge scumbag to turn around and leave again after having just been back for one season. Edited January 10, 20232 yr by shadow_operative
January 10, 20232 yr 10 minutes ago, shadow_operative said: first he coached at Xavier from 2001-2009, and then after being fired by arizona they gave him a nice, soft landing spot and welcomed him home. you'd have to be one epically huge scumbag to turn around and leave again after having just been back for one season. He was the head coach from 2004-2009. Assistant before that. I can promise you he isn't making $5M a year currently. Texas could throw him 5/30 easily. God fucking forbid the University of Texas hires a basketball coach with some questionable moral characteristics. Last time I checked Sean Miller doesn't have a history of getting arrested after maybe or maybe not choking his fiancee. I'd warrant that - all evidence considered - he's probably a better human being than Chris Beard. You and @SL Xpress need to both drop the high-horse card unless you're both cool with Texas basketball again becoming a total, irrelevant afterthought. But I'd bet y'all they hire Cal. In which case I'm sure one of you will bitch. If not both of you. Holy fucking fuck Batman. I want to punch a hole through a wall, too. But Beard is done and he's never coming back. Time for plan B.
January 10, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, ztejas said: He was the head coach from 2004-2009. Assistant before that. I can promise you he isn't making $5M a year currently. Texas could throw him 5/30 easily. God fucking forbid the University of Texas hires a basketball coach with some questionable moral characteristics. Last time I checked Sean Miller doesn't have a history of getting arrested after maybe or maybe not choking his fiancee. I'd warrant that - all evidence considered - he's probably a better human being than Chris Beard. You and @SL Xpress need to both drop the high-horse card unless you're both cool with Texas basketball again becoming a total, irrelevant afterthought. But I'd bet y'all they hire Cal. In which case I'm sure one of you will bitch. If not both of you. Holy fucking fuck Batman. I want to punch a hole through a wall, too. But Beard is done and he's never coming back. Time for plan B. I'm not dropping shit. I'll probably become bitterwhiteguy2 and write novellas about what a piece of shit Calipari is if Texas hires him. But I honestly don't see that happening, so not that concerned. I don't have an opinion on Sean Miller.
January 10, 20232 yr 10 minutes ago, SL Xpress said: I'm not dropping shit. I'll probably become bitterwhiteguy2 and write novellas about what a piece of shit Calipari is if Texas hires him. But I honestly don't see that happening, so not that concerned. I don't have an opinion on Sean Miller. Who do you think we get? And I'm not trying to put words in your mouth - just commenting on the trend of acting like Texas is above certain hires while the last coach is still facing felony charges. I think if UK disappoints again then Cal coming here is extremely realistic. And by extremely realistic I mean that I bet he's the next coach at Texas*. *(again - IF Kentucky disappoints again) Edited January 10, 20232 yr by ztejas
January 10, 20232 yr I just think it makes too much sense. I think it's going to be Calipari. January 9th save it.
January 10, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, ztejas said: Who do you think we get? And I'm not trying to put words in your mouth - just commenting on the trend of acting like Texas is above certain hires while the last coach is still facing felony charges. I think if UK disappoints again then Cal coming here is extremely realistic. And by extremely realistic I mean that I bet he's the next coach at Texas*. *(again - IF Kentucky disappoints again) It's not like he was arrested for felonious assault BEFORE Texas hired him. They fired him. I don't know what more anyone could possibly expect if they're bound and determined to be on a high horse, as you say. Calipari will be the first coach ever hired at Texas in its history that has been administered severe penalties from the NCAA, up to and including two vacated Final Fours. I guess people think that's a high horse. I will be stunned if Calipari is hired by Texas. As in, I don't think there's a chance in hell. I don't know who Texas gets. I hope Del Conte gets someone good. It won't be until April after the tournament is finished, so this year will count. Unless it's someone who is not a head coach in the tournament. But I honestly don't have a strong opinion right now. I don't even have a good feel for if they are willing to pay top dollar or not. Maybe they hire Grant McCasland for a song and we're all incredibly disappointed. Including me. I honestly don't know.
January 10, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, ztejas said: He was the head coach from 2004-2009. Assistant before that. I can promise you he isn't making $5M a year currently. Texas could throw him 5/30 easily. God fucking forbid the University of Texas hires a basketball coach with some questionable moral characteristics. Last time I checked Sean Miller doesn't have a history of getting arrested after maybe or maybe not choking his fiancee. I'd warrant that - all evidence considered - he's probably a better human being than Chris Beard. You and @SL Xpress need to both drop the high-horse card unless you're both cool with Texas basketball again becoming a total, irrelevant afterthought. But I'd bet y'all they hire Cal. In which case I'm sure one of you will bitch. If not both of you. Holy fucking fuck Batman. I want to punch a hole through a wall, too. But Beard is done and he's never coming back. Time for plan B. when have i played the high horse card? that has nothing to do with why sean miller won't leave xavier, and i never even opined on his firing from arizona in the first place. also, i've spent the last three pages trying to explain to people why coach cal is one of the best hires we could realistically make, so i have no idea why you think i'd be bitching if we hired him.
January 10, 20232 yr Offer Musselman $7 MM/5 years? what about Tony Bennett? Only makes 3.6 at Virginia? Edited January 10, 20232 yr by Loop 1604
January 10, 20232 yr 33 minutes ago, Loop 1604 said: Offer Musselman $7 MM/5 years? what about Tony Bennett? Only makes 3.6 at Virginia? Actually Bennett seems like a guy cdc would go after. Boring ass offense right?
January 10, 20232 yr It will be interesting to monitor how the Kentucky coaching search runs in parallel with ours. Sounds like they’re kicking tires right now and the top of their list is probably identical to ours, with the exception being Calipari. Does Kentucky have the gall to go after Beard should he be legally cleared by March? Edited January 10, 20232 yr by CheesePie
January 10, 20232 yr 8 hours ago, SL Xpress said: I will be stunned if Calipari is hired by Texas. As in, I don't think there's a chance in hell. Well seeing as how you already made the “bitterwhiteguy of calipari” joke I was going to make when I got to the end of this thread, all I got left is So what you’re saying is you’d be stunned. You’d be pissed. If it’s John Calipari?
January 10, 20232 yr Just now, CheesePie said: It will be interesting to monitor how the Kentucky coaching search runs in parallel with ours. The top of the list for both schools is probably identical, with the exception being Calipari. Does Kentucky have the gall to go after Beard should he be cleared legally by March? 100% they do. They hired cal when his vacated final fours were much more recent and when paying players was still technically against the rules. If Texas takes Calipari off their hands I’d bet your life savings they will hire Beard. Maybe not mine, but yours for sure.
January 10, 20232 yr 23 minutes ago, Jebus said: If Texas takes Calipari off their hands I’d bet your life savings they will hire Beard. Maybe not mine, but yours for sure. I wouldn’t take that bet. Even if he doesn’t land at Kentucky, that job opening up expedites his return. The threat of him going to Kentucky is enough for a lesser school to jump on him the second his name is cleared. I’m with you though, Kentucky has to be the odds on favorite to be Beards next gig. Edited January 10, 20232 yr by CheesePie
January 10, 20232 yr 55 minutes ago, closetohumping said: Actually Bennett seems like a guy cdc would go after. Boring ass offense right? 52-44 games aren’t sexy. And your defense to offense philosophy can lead to weird things like losing to a 16 seed by 20 points. But can’t deny the man has a .732 winning %, a national title, 5 regular season titles and 2 tournament titles. And he’s only 53 However he has 1 F4 in 13 seasons at UVA. Blah We could do better but we could also do way worse Edited January 10, 20232 yr by Js1
January 10, 20232 yr I'd have no issue with UK hiring Beard but they may be a bit gun shy of taking another coach from state of Texas.
January 10, 20232 yr 14 minutes ago, Underdog said: I'd have no issue with UK hiring Beard but they may be a bit gun shy of taking another coach from state of Texas. Especially when their last guy from Texas has drinking issues as well
January 10, 20232 yr 37 minutes ago, CheesePie said: I wouldn’t take that bet. Even if he doesn’t land at Kentucky, that job opening up expedites his return. The threat of him going to Kentucky is enough for a lesser school to jump on him the second his name is cleared. I’m with you though, Kentucky has to be the odds on favorite to be Beards next gig. I still think A&M would hire him.
January 10, 20232 yr 35 minutes ago, closetohumping said: Especially when their last guy from Texas has drinking issues as well He couldn't handle the boos like Eddie.
January 10, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, closetohumping said: So Calipari said on his show the rumor was bs. Let’s move on to the unt guy Let's on't and say we id
January 10, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, CTC2 said: I still think A&M would hire him. Of course they would, but they probably won’t get the chance when Kentucky or some other school that is actually good at basketball and/or not in a shit tier backwater city offers him a job too
January 10, 20232 yr On 1/8/2023 at 5:54 PM, JesusSweatDuck said: He wanted Dykes when in hindsight seems pretty solid
January 10, 20232 yr 4 hours ago, jeevsie said: Just here for the novellas I'm just here for the repetitive chastisement by a typical self-absorbed Boomer. Most useless generation ever. Unless you're really into smelling your own farts as they perfected that art.
January 10, 20232 yr Beard will probably phone it in wherever he goes next. I just don’t see him having the same “unite the family” type passion for another university he didn’t attend. But he will get back into coaching because he wants to continue bringing home paychecks to keep his fiancée happy
January 10, 20232 yr If he doesn’t dump that chick, I’d avoid him like the clap. The same shit is going to happen again if they stay together
January 10, 20232 yr 16 hours ago, SL Xpress said: I refuse to believe the administration would actually hire Calipari, the sleaziest basketball coach in the history of the sport, IMO. He's also not a good coach. Not that it means anything, but I won't be able to follow Texas basketball with that guy as head coach. He makes me sick on every level. As far as I'm concerned he's the worst kind of scumbag. Honestly, Calipari is very close to being a completely amoral psychopath. Not the serial killing kind, but absolutely the kind with no conscience, who has to mimic other people so he can pretend he has any level of empathy towards others whatsoever. Might as well hire a reptile. Yea, but other than that...
January 10, 20232 yr 4 hours ago, CTC2 said: I still think A&M would hire him. Cal would be very similar to the Jimbo hire which would make me laugh.
January 10, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, Jebus said: Of course they would, but they probably won’t get the chance when Kentucky or some other school that is actually good at basketball and/or not in a shit tier backwater city offers him a job too Or they will overpay for a washed coach just like they did in football.
January 10, 20232 yr Popular Post I'm liking the thought of Tommy Lloyd the more I look at him. While he will only have 2 years of major head coaching experience, he is crushing it at Arizona - a school that historically cares about basketball more than Texas. He also has 20 years of coaching experience under Mark Few... yet is only 48 yrs old. He is currently making $2.9M and his buyout is only $5M. I think there is a good chance we could money whip him. Last year Arizona finished 33-4 and won the Pac 12, finishing #2 in the final AP poll. This year they are 14-2 and ranked 9th. They are also 7th in the country in PPG, 9th in offensive efficiency, 2nd in assists per game, 10th in fast break points. He would bring an exciting brand of basketball to the Moody Center. I think he is a lower risk hire than Calipari or Dennis Gates.
January 10, 20232 yr Just now, HookEm said: I'm liking the thought of Tommy Lloyd the more I look at him. While he will only have 2 years of major head coaching experience, he is crushing it at Arizona - a school that historically cares about basketball more than Texas. He also has 20 years of coaching experience under Mark Few... yet is only 48 yrs old. He is currently making $2.9M and his buyout is only $5M. I think there is a good chance we could money whip him. Last year Arizona finished 33-4 and won the Pac 12, finishing #2 in the final AP poll. This year they are 14-2 and ranked 9th. They are also 7th in the country in PPG, 9th in offensive efficiency, 2nd in assists per game, 10th in fast break points. He would bring an exciting brand of basketball to the Moody Center. I think he is a lower risk hire than Calipari or Dennis Gates. I'd like a little more of a resume though on the recruiting front - He brought in Larsson last year and Ramey this year. He inherited a nice roster last year with Mathurin, Tubelis, Kriisa and Koloko last year. Lost Koloko and Mathurin and brought in Ramey and still doing very well. Only one player in the 2022 Top 100 and has none for 2023. But I do like what I see on his coaching. He can work the portal, so he could do the same thing here.
January 10, 20232 yr Yeah that is my concern too. Maybe we could keep some of the rainmakers who are currently on staff.
January 10, 20232 yr I'm not worried about Lloyd's recruiting. He just recruits international players and the portal. https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/33982384/top-international-basketball-prospect-henri-veesaar-commits-arizona-wildcats
January 10, 20232 yr Just now, Rickylovesweed said: I'm not worried about Lloyd's recruiting. He just recruits international players and the portal. https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/33982384/top-international-basketball-prospect-henri-veesaar-commits-arizona-wildcats Arizona does love those Europeans. Veesar - Estonia Borovicanin - Serbia Bal - France Larrson - Sweden Tubelis (both of them) - Lithuiania Kriisa - Estonia Ballo is from Mali Arizona is the fucking UN of basketball rosters lol
January 10, 20232 yr Just now, Js1 said: Arizona does love those Europeans. Veesar - Estonia Borovicanin - Serbia Bal - France Larrson - Sweden Tubelis (both of them) - Lithuiania Kriisa - Estonia Ballo is from Mali Arizona is the fucking UN of basketball rosters lol Yeah, like 80% of their roster is internationals. It's also why they've been one of the best offensive teams under Lloyd. He had a good model to follow at Gonzaga and it's working.
January 10, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, HookEm said: I'm liking the thought of Tommy Lloyd the more I look at him. While he will only have 2 years of major head coaching experience, he is crushing it at Arizona - a school that historically cares about basketball more than Texas. He also has 20 years of coaching experience under Mark Few... yet is only 48 yrs old. He is currently making $2.9M and his buyout is only $5M. I think there is a good chance we could money whip him. Last year Arizona finished 33-4 and won the Pac 12, finishing #2 in the final AP poll. This year they are 14-2 and ranked 9th. They are also 7th in the country in PPG, 9th in offensive efficiency, 2nd in assists per game, 10th in fast break points. He would bring an exciting brand of basketball to the Moody Center. I think he is a lower risk hire than Calipari or Dennis Gates. Lloyd’s buyout, if he were to be terminated without cause, is 65 percent of his remaining contract. If he were to leave for another job he’d owe Arizona $5 million at any point during his first two seasons, $2.5 million if during the third year, $1.5 million during the fourth year and $1 million if during the fifth year. He also cannot coach within the Pac-12 for one year if he leaves Arizona voluntarily.
January 10, 20232 yr Hmmm. So when does the 3rd year start? After the season? Or at his hiring anniversary? I assume we will be waiting until after the season, so it could be as low as $2.5M.
January 10, 20232 yr 8 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said: Lloyd’s buyout, if he were to be terminated without cause, is 65 percent of his remaining contract. If he were to leave for another job he’d owe Arizona $5 million at any point during his first two seasons, $2.5 million if during the third year, $1.5 million during the fourth year and $1 million if during the fifth year. He also cannot coach within the Pac-12 for one year if he leaves Arizona voluntarily.
January 10, 20232 yr 39 minutes ago, Rickylovesweed said: Yeah, like 80% of their roster is internationals. It's also why they've been one of the best offensive teams under Lloyd. He had a good model to follow at Gonzaga and it's working. There was an article I read talking about how he and his wife backpacked across Europe as a couple after college. Dan Monson had apparently offered him the volunteer assistant job at Gonzaga if he wanted to get out of coaching when he was playing for another team. Don't know the story on that, but he impressed him somehow. Said he couldn't play for him, but he could coach. So maybe didn't impress him that much. In any case, by the time he was ready to get into coaching Monson had moved on and Few had taken over. Few told Lloyd he needed to find a way to differentiate himself. Because he loved his experience in Europe so much, he concentrated on recruiting Europe, developing different contacts and understanding the process. He apparently had a contract with Gonzaga that guaranteed him the job if he was still there when Few departed. Probably read the article off a link on this thread, actually.
January 10, 20232 yr 4 hours ago, Herpa Derpa said: I'm just here for the repetitive chastisement by a typical self-absorbed Boomer. Most useless generation ever. Unless you're really into smelling your own farts as they perfected that art. Gen X, actually. The self absorbed part is almost certainly right on, though. Can't speak much for my generation. I liked Sub Pop music, though. I felt like the music of my generation was pretty darn good, but I guess that's what most generations think.
January 10, 20232 yr Lloyd with a legit defensive minded assistant seems like it would be a homerun. AdjO rankings for Lloyd in his first two years at Arizona are #7 and #5. Then at Gonzaga they were almost always near the top in adjusted offense. You're almost certainty getting a top 10ish offense with Lloyd based on his history.
January 10, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, Rickylovesweed said: Lloyd with a legit defensive minded assistant seems like it would be a homerun. AdjO rankings for Lloyd in his first two years at Arizona are #7 and #5. Then at Gonzaga they were almost always near the top in adjusted offense. You're almost certainty getting a top 10ish offense with Lloyd based on his history. I like that. Students would show up for that. Greatest show on turf kinda thing. Especially since it’s been decades of Barnes ball, Shakablah and Beard’s offenses, at times, can be painful to watch
January 11, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, Js1 said: I'd like a little more of a resume though on the recruiting front - He brought in Larsson last year and Ramey this year. He inherited a nice roster last year with Mathurin, Tubelis, Kriisa and Koloko last year. Lost Koloko and Mathurin and brought in Ramey and still doing very well. Only one player in the 2022 Top 100 and has none for 2023. But I do like what I see on his coaching. He can work the portal, so he could do the same thing here. I like Lloyd a lot but also have real worries about his recruiting. I think I would still have him as maybe my 2nd choice behind Muss
January 11, 20232 yr If recruiting rankings are your thing you aren't going to like Lloyd. He recruits international players and portal players that don't go into high school recruiting rankings. I don't know why anybody would think Lloyd can't recruit though. He was starting to land 5 stars at Gonzaga, landed the best international player this past recruiting cycle, and landed top transfers like Ramey/Henderson. He just recruits a different type player. Edited January 11, 20232 yr by Rickylovesweed
January 11, 20232 yr 10 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said: I like Lloyd a lot but also have real worries about his recruiting. I think I would still have him as maybe my 2nd choice behind Muss Oats is my #1, full stop. Lloyd and Muss are up there though.
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.