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God damn, what a show. Absolutely riveting from start to finish. I’m devastated it’s over.

The last episode had work to do to wrap things up and be the final connective tissue to R1. So, as compared to the previous eps it was missing a bit of dramatic tension. And yet was still completely satisfying and captivating.

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10 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Add to this, Gilroy is only there because Kathleen Kennedy and others thought Edwards director's cut was shit. So she hired Gilroy to clean it up and it became what it is. Then she offers him a chance to write a treatment for a K2SO/Andor buddy heist series which she agrees to let him change to what we have now. Then she and others all the way up the Disney chain just let him go with very little restrictions outside of budget, which they also leave mostly up to him to work within. All of this is why we have to appreciate this series. This is our Star Wars black swan. It will never happen again. I like Filoni but he has no interest in this. Nor does Favreau. They are good at what they do but it's not this. 

It was a lucky chain of events that led us here indeed. Gilroy himself recalls the buddy heist deal as lacking any substance. I can’t remember exactly what Tony said but the show was mainly a mission/adventure show and there’s not a ton of stuff you can do with that. Then it was just Tony telling Kathleen what they should do through conversations, never really intending on him actually being the driver of anything. They were both feeling each other out and ultimately Kathleen had to decide if the risk was worth it. It was organic in a way on how Disney approached Tony in doing this show and the canvas he was allowed to have. 

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So in E10 did i miss where exactly Luthen was when he found Kleya.

Shout out to Lake Como....I mean Naboo.

I like where Cassian in 12 is like "yea I saw him a year ago....you remember when he got me to save Mon because your bullshit crew was infilled"

K2S0 is so much better with the world weary comedy than 3PO ever was.

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Luke drops two proton torpedoes down the exhaust port because Dedra accidentally got some files. 
 

Just a phenomenal series from start to finish. Another R1 viewing is in order, maybe tomorrow. 

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1 hour ago, mdmost said:

Disney+ is f'ing smart to make that be the next thing it automatically leads you into after the last episode ended. We're watching tomorrow. We had planned it for Friday but I can't wait. 

Perrin moved on to Sculdin's wife. Nice. Kinda shocked it all didn't blow back on him but I bet they saw just how slothful and non-threatening he was. 

I just lookes up the actress who played Sculdun’s wife

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God fucking dammit this was phenomenal tv. Im so mad it’s over. A lot of people will miss out on this cuz Star Wars “spinoff”, sucks to suck. 
 

This might have been the first time I saw Krennic as genuinely intimidating. 
 

I would like to subscribe to Nemiks Manifesto given our current uhhhh impending climate.

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6 hours ago, Radical Larry said:

Luke drops two proton torpedoes down the exhaust port because Dedra accidentally got some files. 

What prompted Galen Erso to send his pilot defector with the hologram within days of the Dedra-Lonni-Luthen security compromise? Both things had to happen. If Erso hadn’t, the rebels wouldn’t have put the pieces together that there was the design defect and to go to the data archives on Scarif for the plans. OTOH, if Dedra hadn’t “scavenged”, Lonni hadn’t spied, and Luthen/Kleya/Andor hadn’t got the info to Yavin before Erso sent his hologram to Saw, Saw wouldn’t been like WTF? and leaders on Yavin would’ve been clueless until the first planet got destroyed. 

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1 hour ago, Hank_Hill said:

This might have been the first time I saw Krennic as genuinely intimidating. 

He ATE in that interrogation scene 

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I binged this entire series over the last 5 days/nights. Holy shit, what a TV masterpiece. Maybe the best world building I've seen on screen. 

I'm sure it's been mentioned a million times, but the restraints the writers/creators implemented regarding the Star Wars universe was brilliant. No lightsabers, not a mention of a Jedi or Vader, no appearance from Palpatine...using those rules freed them up to tell a captivating and incredible character driven story. What a triumph. 

 

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Also I know it was written way before 2025, but of course, Dedra knows the Death Star plans because she got accidentally CC’d on an email / added to the Signal chat

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6 hours ago, MissingInAction said:

My favorite is K using that sniveling ISB twats body as a shield. Face forward, neck snapped at 90 degrees, just getting rag dolled around to catch blaster fire.

Heert just wanted to drink some amazing cocktails at senate parties and gossip with his bro Lonni, like the true queen he is 

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22 minutes ago, Js1 said:

He ATE in that interrogation scene 

What's great is Rogue One shows that even though Krennic is a badass, he's still a step below Tarkin and Vader. So he was the king of his little fiefdom but he still had to serve somebody. 

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34 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I binged this entire series over the last 5 days/nights. Holy shit, what a TV masterpiece. Maybe the best world building I've seen on screen. 

I'm sure it's been mentioned a million times, but the restraints the writers/creators implemented regarding the Star Wars universe was brilliant. No lightsabers, not a mention of a Jedi or Vader, no appearance from Palpatine...using those rules freed them up to tell a captivating and incredible character driven story. What a triumph. 

 

A single "May the Force be With You" works so much better because of that.

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21 minutes ago, mdmost said:

What's great is Rogue One shows that even though Krennic is a badass, he's still a step below Tarkin and Vader. So he was the king of his little fiefdom but he still had to serve somebody. 

As much as that monologue by Krennic was good, the scene between Luthen and Dedra in the shop was one of the best of the whole show.  Holy shit, they both crushed that 

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7 hours ago, MissingInAction said:

My favorite is K using that sniveling ISB twats body as a shield. Face forward, neck snapped at 90 degrees, just getting rag dolled around to catch blaster fire.

Also remember they scrapped an episode that was just a K2 horror movie.  That scene did a good job of giving us that.  

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24 minutes ago, Js1 said:

As much as that monologue by Krennic was good, the scene between Luthen and Dedra in the shop was one of the best of the whole show.  Holy shit, they both crushed that 

I'll see you that scene and raise you Krennic vs Partagaz.

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4 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

I'll see you that scene and raise you Krennic vs Partagaz.

So good as well

Lots of good 1v1 scenes, but also Cass vs the rebellion leadership.  Bunch of useless politicians. 

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Just now, Js1 said:

So good as well

Lots of good 1v1 scenes, but also Cass vs the rebellion leadership.  Bunch of useless politicians. 

They carry that same uselessness in Rogue One.

It was pretty poetic that Partagas was listening to Nemik's manifesto that was spreading everywhere and wondering who it was while realizing it was already too late.

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31 minutes ago, mdmost said:

They carry that same uselessness in Rogue One.

 

They do, which makes Cass' decision to go rogue (see what I did there) make more sense. The council never really trusted him, and he them.  Good for Gilroy showing us the beginning of that in episode 12. 

When he threw out that line about the last time he spoke to Luthen was when he agreed to rescue Mon from the Senate, Bail was all: 

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44 minutes ago, Js1 said:

So good as well

Lots of good 1v1 scenes, but also Cass vs the rebellion leadership.  Bunch of useless politicians. 

I didn't immediately rewatch any of these scenes, except for Krennic v Partagaz, and it was entirely to watch Anton Lesser's performance.

Now here's a guy (/Collinsworth) in Partagaz who keeps the Empire going. He's efficient, no-nonsense, competent, and deals with a room full of backstabbing ambitious sycophants amazingly without ever raising his voice.

And here he is, raising his voice just once before bringing himself back under control. Finally panicking because he knows he's done for, if not the entire ISB.

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9 hours ago, MissingInAction said:

There's so many erection inducing scenes.

My favorite is K using that sniveling ISB twats body as a shield. Face forward, neck snapped at 90 degrees, just getting rag dolled around to catch blaster fire.

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This may be a massive overreaction and recency bias, but is Kleya the consistently best Star Wars character outside of Han and Vader (ignoring the Anakin part)? Has to be top 5, right?

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1 hour ago, Rimbo said:

I didn't immediately rewatch any of these scenes, except for Krennic v Partagaz, and it was entirely to watch Anton Lesser's performance.

Now here's a guy (/Collinsworth) in Partagaz who keeps the Empire going. He's efficient, no-nonsense, competent, and deals with a room full of backstabbing ambitious sycophants amazingly without ever raising his voice.

And here he is, raising his voice just once before bringing himself back under control. Finally panicking because he knows he's done for, if not the entire ISB.

I wish our own version of the Empire required lifetime incarcerations or seppuku for massive security breeches.

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11 minutes ago, Stringer said:

This may be a massive overreaction and recency bias, but is Kleya the consistently best Star Wars character outside of Han and Vader (ignoring the Anakin part)? Has to be top 5, right?

She might be. She’s amazing. Legit is so good at her job, Heert thought she was a 3 man team to pull off the hospital job 

Also would have made sure no part of the comms was salvageable. Good job Luthen 

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12 hours ago, mdmost said:

Add to this, Gilroy is only there because Kathleen Kennedy and others thought Edwards director's cut was shit. So she hired Gilroy to clean it up and it became what it is. Then she offers him a chance to write a treatment for a K2SO/Andor buddy heist series which she agrees to let him change to what we have now. Then she and others all the way up the Disney chain just let him go with very little restrictions outside of budget, which they also leave mostly up to him to work within. All of this is why we have to appreciate this series. This is our Star Wars black swan. It will never happen again. I like Filoni but he has no interest in this. Nor does Favreau. They are good at what they do but it's not this. 

On The Watch, Gilroy said he wrote a 7-8 page letter to Kennedy detailing why they shouldn’t make Andor. And she did it anyway. Good for her and I’d love to read that letter. 

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5 hours ago, Hank_Hill said:

This might have been the first time I saw Krennic as genuinely intimidating. 

It’s sort of the bully (Imperial) way. King Kong badass to anybody else “below” them. Sniveling bitch when confronted by a more powerful superior. 
 

Dedra actually broke that mold to some extent which I thought lead to a good subtle commentary on the juxtaposition between an authoritarian and free society. 
 

Cassian is a hero for being bold, thinking for himself and going rogue. Dedra found herself in a prison cell. 

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4 hours ago, Murfdogg21 said:

What prompted Galen Erso to send his pilot defector with the hologram within days of the Dedra-Lonni-Luthen security compromise? Both things had to happen. If Erso hadn’t, the rebels wouldn’t have put the pieces together that there was the design defect and to go to the data archives on Scarif for the plans. OTOH, if Dedra hadn’t “scavenged”, Lonni hadn’t spied, and Luthen/Kleya/Andor hadn’t got the info to Yavin before Erso sent his hologram to Saw, Saw wouldn’t been like WTF? and leaders on Yavin would’ve been clueless until the first planet got destroyed. 

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3 hours ago, Rimbo said:

I'll see you that scene and raise you Krennic vs Partagaz.

I think from an emotional aspect, Syrill and Dedra scene where he snaps and puts his hands around her neck threatening to kill her is brilliant.  The guy lost everything late in this journey including his identity while Cassian was on the opposite arc, gaining and strengthening his identity and role.  

 

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10 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

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That final scene ripped my heart out. Being a father and a husband wasn’t Andor’s destiny. His destiny was to die on that beach on Scarif. 

 

Reminded me of black panther 2

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3 hours ago, Js1 said:

So good as well

Lots of good 1v1 scenes, but also Cass vs the rebellion leadership.  Bunch of useless politicians. 

Are they really useless? Or are they just biding time and looking for any excuse not to act because they know they are still too weak at this point to put up much of a fight.   This would be like Chamberlain hearing about the Nazi Nuke program while reading a report about the readiness of the UK forces.  

 

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56 minutes ago, Stringer said:

This may be a massive overreaction and recency bias, but is Kleya the consistently best Star Wars character outside of Han and Vader (ignoring the Anakin part)? Has to be top 5, right?

Her seamless movement through the hospital laying waste and capping motherfuckers without breaking stride like a fucking ninja.

I was on the edge of my seat the entire time.

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6 minutes ago, Nivek said:

Are they really useless? Or are they just biding time and looking for any excuse not to act because they know they are still too weak at this point to put up much of a fight.   This would be like Chamberlain hearing about the Nazi Nuke program while reading a report about the readiness of the UK forces.  

 

I think they’re too cautious and don’t understand how ruthless the empire is. Boy that sounds familiar

They also don’t trust Luthen (or Saw) because they don’t play by the senate’s decorum rules they’re used to. Oh god that sounds familiar too

Rebel leadership is playing by one set of rules, the empire another and the Luthen and Saw factions recognize that

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28 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

On The Watch, Gilroy said he wrote a 7-8 page letter to Kennedy detailing why they shouldn’t make Andor. And she did it anyway. Good for her and I’d love to read that letter. 

More accurately, it was why they shouldn't make Andor as a buddy-adventure series.

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14 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I think they’re too cautious and don’t understand how ruthless the empire is. Boy that sounds familiar

They also don’t trust Luthen (or Saw) because they don’t play by the senate’s decorum rules they’re used to. Oh god that sounds familiar too

Rebel leadership is playing by one set of rules, the empire another and the Luthen and Saw factions recognize that

Which is interesting because one of the big things about how different Rogue One was that the Rebellion was willing to get their hands dirty. Andor gets a kill order for Galen Erso from Draven. It wasn't oh just rescue him like you'd expect from the OT rebels. It was more Han blowing away Greedo. 

And what sucks about some of this is Gilroy is being celebrated for his brilliance and how he rewrote Star Wars. And yet, he can't get funding for his next project with Oscar Isaac in the lead role. 

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