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I have 3 patio French style doors that need to be replaced. They are wood and they have rotted at the bottom due to being in an area that's exposed to rain. See pic below.

I got a quote from Andersen that was $31,000 total to replace all 3 with similar French style doors. That seems significantly more expensive than I was expecting. They then offered sliding doors instead of French style doors, which they could get for around $24,000 total. That doesn't include staining or painting. So less desirable doors, pretty expensive, and the lead time is 6 months.

I also scheduled a consult with Pella but I expect them to be in the same ballpark.

I'm in Fort Worth and I expect to keep this house about 1-3 more years, so I'm not necessarily concerned about getting the best possible doors with a 20 year warranty. I just want something that looks fairly similar to what I have and will last at least 3 years without significant wear.

Any advice?

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I don't think you need to call a window company.  A good GC should be able to handle that for you for considerably less cost.  Because you've got wood siding, the demo and new install will be easier. 

Price out doors that you like on Lowes or HD website.  Figure on 1500 a door or so to have them installed, and I think you'll be in the ballpark.

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That seems like a job for a basic and local carpenter/handyman, rather than a big corporation.  

This.

Had to replace our the doors to our backyard in 2020. We purchased the doors from the local door supplier our carpenter recommended. They did the rest for far far less than you’re being quoted.
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You sure they need to be replaced? They don't look that bad IMO, especially if looking at a 1-3yr timeframe.  I would think some wood rot epoxy could address the rot issue and sanding/re-finishing could do the rest.  Worst case scenario if rot was really bad would be having to paint finish instead of stain.  Talking hundreds vs thousands.

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We had two custom-sized French doors going to the patio replaced almost 4 years ago.  Bought the doors from Builders FirstSource.  The installer we used was actually a contractor through Lowe's - we got some other doors replaced through Lowe's but their ordering process was a clusterfuck, so contractor suggested getting the French doors from Builders FirstSource.  And then we already knew a painter we liked to do the painting.

The two French doors cost less than $1700 with tax.  Installation less than $800.  And the total bill from the painter, which included 3 other regular doors along with the French doors, was $850.  Granted this was 4 years ago and we did a little legwork to hire/pay 3 different companies (doors, install, paint), but those prices from Andersen seem crazy.  

Just Googled and appears Builders FirstSource has locations in FW area.  Good luck!

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We bought our double, fiberglass doors from www.doors4home.com. Our GC did a little shim hear and there, used Old World stain. they look great. check with resdoor (local), they might be cheaper.

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4 hours ago, Gene Parmesan said:

Pics don't look that bad, but holy hell $31,000 is that a typo?   Someone quoted you 31k for patio doors?


that quote is insane. Find a good local gc or ask around

 

The local lowes, one of their managers gc’s on the side. He replaced my moms sliding door to French doors, new back fence, doubled her patio slab and new patio covering for $9000. His work was extreme top quality 

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Putting in prehung doors is not really difficult.  There are plenty of discount door places where you can buy good quality prehung doors for pretty cheap.  I did my back door just recently.  The door is fiberglass and has a double-paned window with the shade in between the panes.  The door was $299 and I probably spent another $100 on the trim and hardware.  It took me a weekend to do.  Sebastian thinks I did a great job.

 

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Look on Yelp for door installers or go to Lowes/HD’s door department and asks what company they use. They’ll tell you.

If you’re only gonna be there a couple of years, I wouldn’t spend much on it, or anything at all. It won’t mean shit when you sell.

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Don’t go with solid wood doors. 
 

fiberglass is good, clad is better

Make sure your installer puts in a stainless steel door pan set in a bed of NP-1 caulk into the rough opening prior to installing the door set. 

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4 hours ago, CooterBrown said:

Look on Yelp for door installers or go to Lowes/HD’s door department and asks what company they use. They’ll tell you.

When the ex and I lived in Sugarland, we bought a set of French doors from Lowes to close off our upstairs game room.  We used their installer.  The ex gave them her cell phone number because she had to run some errands while they were putting them in.  The guy kept calling her to ask her if she wanted to meet up.  They did a shitty job too.  Come to think of it, she probably was banging him.

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13 hours ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

Putting in prehung doors is not really difficult.  There are plenty of discount door places where you can buy good quality prehung doors for pretty cheap.  I did my back door just recently.  The door is fiberglass and has a double-paned window with the shade in between the panes.  The door was $299 and I probably spent another $100 on the trim and hardware.  It took me a weekend to do.  Sebastian thinks I did a great job.

 

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Sebastian looks like he's asking where his dog door is

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I'm a partner at a window & door company here in Austin. Which doesn't lend itself to a reasonable jobsite delivery in this situation. 

However, if you want to DM me your email address, I'll ask a few questions and get you some bids you can take to local retailers in the DFW area. I'll make the pricing fair so that you can make sure you aren't getting gouged (as some of these guys will do to homeowners rather than builders). 

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Thanks for all the input. I canceled the Pella consult because I thought it would be similar to Andersen. Gonna look into Builders First Source, Resdoor, etc. and then try to find a GC or carpenter in my area.

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51 minutes ago, wild_turkey said:

Thanks for all the input. I canceled the Pella consult because I thought it would be similar to Andersen. Gonna look into Builders First Source, Resdoor, etc. and then try to find a GC or carpenter in my area.

If you're going this route, specifically with BFS (my former company before we broke off), I'd definitely urge you to heed my advice above. Nothing in it for me other than to try and help you out. 

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On 7/29/2022 at 6:49 PM, lonestar3 said:

If you're going this route, specifically with BFS (my former company before we broke off), I'd definitely urge you to heed my advice above. Nothing in it for me other than to try and help you out. 

I sent you a PM a while back but never heard a response. Maybe check your inbox?

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This is apparently more problematic than I originally thought. My door dimensions are 76" H x 58" W, which is not a common size.

I contacted the contractor of our house (it was an extensive remodel, not entirely new construction) who told me the doors were purchased from a local surplus store 4 years ago. I went to the surplus store and they no longer have any doors that size, nor can they order them. They say it's a custom size (which almost everyone says) but that makes no sense to me because the contractor could've chosen any size doors for this space, so I don't see why they would opt for a more expensive custom size vs. a less expensive standard size. Builders/contractors generally lean towards cheaper options.

I went to another surplus store that has a nearly identical wood door for a $998 which I think is a great price, but that door size is 80" x 60". 

I also went to Lowe's who is going to send someone to my house to check everything out, but they are predicting that I will need to get fiberglass doors at about $2,000/door, then it will be painted instead of stained wood. Probably a little better longevity going with fiberglass, but it won't look as nice IMO.

I may just buy the larger size wood door from the second surplus store and see if a carpenter can modify the door frame enough to accommodate the larger door.

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This is apparently more problematic than I originally thought. My door dimensions are 76" H x 58" W, which is not a common size.
I contacted the builder of our house (it was an extensive remodel, not entirely new construction) who told me the doors were purchased from a local surplus store 4 years ago. I went to the surplus store and they no longer have any doors that size, nor can they order them.
I went to another surplus store that has a nearly identical wood door for a $998 which I think is a great price, but that door size is 80" x 60". 
I also went to Lowe's who is going to send someone to my house to check everything out, but they are predicting that I will need to get fiberglass doors at about $2,000/door, then it will be painted instead of stained wood. Probably a little better longevity going with fiberglass, but it won't look as nice IMO.
I may just buy the larger size wood door from the second surplus store and see if a carpenter can modify the door frame enough to accommodate the larger door.

An option is to also order a custom size through Lowes. I’ve done that before and it wasn’t much more expensive than a standard size. It does take like 4 months to get it though.
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15 minutes ago, wild_turkey said:

This is apparently more problematic than I originally thought. My door dimensions are 76" H x 58" W, which is not a common size.

I contacted the contractor of our house (it was an extensive remodel, not entirely new construction) who told me the doors were purchased from a local surplus store 4 years ago. I went to the surplus store and they no longer have any doors that size, nor can they order them. They say it's a custom size (which almost everyone says) but that makes no sense to me because the contractor could've chosen any size doors for this space, so I don't see why they would opt for a more expensive custom size vs. a less expensive standard size. Builders/contractors generally lean towards cheaper options.

I went to another surplus store that has a nearly identical wood door for a $998 which I think is a great price, but that door size is 80" x 60". 

I also went to Lowe's who is going to send someone to my house to check everything out, but they are predicting that I will need to get fiberglass doors at about $2,000/door, then it will be painted instead of stained wood. Probably a little better longevity going with fiberglass, but it won't look as nice IMO.

I may just buy the larger size wood door from the second surplus store and see if a carpenter can modify the door frame enough to accommodate the larger door.

Could just have the carpenter trim down the larger wood doors

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