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4 minutes ago, boilerhorn said:

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For the gamblers among us, that is Greg McElroy's lifetime stat line.

ok i’m as down on quinn as anyone, but 31 are we attempts? damn. he ought to be able to eclipse that. probably not the nfl career that mcelroy dreamed of.

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I don't have a dog in this internet scrap, but some folks here think he will get cut in camp and others think he will be a very good NFL QB.  McElroy seems like a good baseline for you all to settle this with some real hard cash.  

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Posted
9 minutes ago, lemonandaturd said:

I don't have a dog in this internet scrap, but some folks here think he will get cut in camp and others think he will be a very good NFL QB.  McElroy seems like a good baseline for you all to settle this with some real hard cash.  

People think he’s gonna get cut in camp? There’s a near zero chance of that happening 

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Posted
9 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

People think he’s gonna get cut in camp?

Yep. Most teams only carry 2 QBs so he’s competing for the backup job with MILF Hunter.

that said, Miami has kept 3 QBs on the roster and still may do so.

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11 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Yep. Most teams only carry 2 QBs so he’s competing for the backup job with MILF Hunter.

that said, Miami has kept 3 QBs on the roster and still may do so.

Miami isn’t running 2 QBs on the roster when Tua is one of them. They will almost assuredly carry 3 

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3 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Miami isn’t running 2 QBs on the roster when Tua is one of them. They will almost assuredly carry 3 

I have almost zero interest in the NFL, but what happens when they carry 2 on the gameday roster and 1 on the scout team?  Can the scout QB be called up in one week if one of the other two gets injured?

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6 hours ago, Fondren & Main said:

@Derkayou know you can respond to multiple posts in one quote so you don’t have to do a consecutive triple post right?

 

5 hours ago, Derka said:

are there really people on this site who click on a thread, read every single unread post (in this case like i’m looking at ~75 unread posts), and then go back and reply to the posts they want to reply to? is that actually a thing?

 

5 hours ago, immamac said:

You can use the plus button and it saves it from page to page. So you can just quote all posts and address them individually 

 

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Let him cook. 

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41 minutes ago, The Dog said:

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Which of you is Paul?

1) Quinn went 11-3 as a starter in 2024.

2) Innactive QB can come in a game if the first 2 QBs get knocked out. 

Do not know if that applies to QB3 if he is on the practice squad, but I believe that it would be allowed. 

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14 hours ago, Nivek said:

I normally don't like doing this, but this is who you cited.  Forgive me if the esteemed Cory Kinnan doesn't inspire me with confidence in his opinion on QB play.   

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You stood by the stance, but you are just wrong.  3 Individuals have been presented (1 college, 2 pros) to refute this claim.   Now, you can stand by this stance and claim that completion percentage isn't a perfect metric, and you will get no argument from me about that, but when I press you for a better one out there what do you have?   For now, it seems like the best proxy out there.  And while we are being exacting, let's parse accuracy from precision and see if we can that delineated better?   As far as statistics being gamed, I suppose that is true, but I tend to think that coaches will call plays with higher percentages of success than ones with lower percentages more-often, not just QE's coach.  Do you have evidence this was happening?  

Since we are being precise with our terminology now, let's first define what pocket awareness is before bothering to discuss it.  Morons like me, think definitions matter.  

At this point it doesn't matter what I say, I provided you with numbers form an analytics guy and you shoot down the guy based on how he looks. Most analytics guys aren't chiseled jawline Brad Pitt looking guys. But lets be honest if you honestly think Quinn is an accurate passer beyond 10 yards then I'll just bow out of this and laugh at you for even having that thought. Every NFL scout and scouting report produced dinged Ewers for being inaccurate beyond 10 yards. They also dinged him for leaving his progressions too early and checking down thus further gaming his completion percentage. 

 

Here is some advanced stats from Lamar at Louisville with regards to accuracy. 

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Posted
15 hours ago, Fondren & Main said:

@Derkayou know you can respond to multiple posts in one quote so you don’t have to do a consecutive triple post right?

That dumbass will never figure that out. 

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On 5/10/2025 at 10:18 PM, jimmyjazz said:

Obviously Eli isn't in the NFL HOF . . . yet.  I think the majority opinion is that he will eventually make it.  He was only eligible just this year.

You are probably correct, but I dont think it is too deserving for reasons pointed out.  

Posted
15 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

New page, and I've been slacking on posting the Ewers gifs, so here's a big-man-TD twofer. 

Goal line TD to Murphy against Wyoming:

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Goal line TD to Sweat in the 2023 Big 12 CCG:

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They could have run those in but no we have to pad Ewers stats.

Posted
7 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

They could have run those in but no we have to pad Ewers stats.

Broke: Running the ball at the goal line

Woke: Padding Ewers' stats by passing at the goal line

Bespoke: Padding Murphy's and Sweat's stats by playing them as 300 lb WRs and passing at the goal line

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2 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Here is some advanced stats from Lamar at Louisville with regards to accuracy. 

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Advanced stats are probably more useful for QB than any other position.  It’ll never tell the full story but it certainly can paint a different story than perception.  
 

I wouldn’t say completion percentage is completely useless on a standalone basis, but it has less value than it once did.  And grading while subjective, paired with other metrics, tells a good story when broken down by depth of target.  It’s pretty basic but if you throw at or near the LOS, that completion number will be higher than if you push it down the field.

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2 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

Broke: Running the ball at the goal line

Woke: Padding Ewers' stats by passing at the goal line

Bespoke: Padding Murphy's and Sweat's stats by playing them as 300 lb WRs and passing at the goal line

I do enjoy a good big man TD.  Probably more so when thrown than run.  It’s fun for everyone.

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3 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

Advanced stats are probably more useful for QB than any other position.  It’ll never tell the full story but it certainly can paint a different story than perception.  
 

I wouldn’t say completion percentage is completely useless on a standalone basis, but it has less value than it once did.  And grading while subjective, paired with other metrics, tells a good story when broken down by depth of target.  It’s pretty basic but if you throw at or near the LOS, that completion number will be higher than if you push it down the field.

Which is why Josh Allen's college completion percentage numbers are not worth the time. According the advanced stats he was asked to make harder and more difficult throws than anyone else in his draft class. Baker Mayfield is kind of the golden boy of this debate as he was on target and accurate all over the field. 

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1 hour ago, BurntEyes said:

If we can't all agree on our love for big men scoring a TD, I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

You spelled "fat" wrong.

 

 

Source: Madden

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Posted
19 hours ago, Derka said:

you talked all of that shit and then posted a video of quinn in high school? in what way is that video relevant to the condescendingly repeated assertion that there was “easy to find” video of quinn ewers throwing 80+ in middle school

14 is high school. My daughter was 14 in high school. She will just have turned 18 a week before she graduates.

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6 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

At this point it doesn't matter what I say, I provided you with numbers form an analytics guy and you shoot down the guy based on how he looks. Most analytics guys aren't chiseled jawline Brad Pitt looking guys. But lets be honest if you honestly think Quinn is an accurate passer beyond 10 yards then I'll just bow out of this and laugh at you for even having that thought. Every NFL scout and scouting report produced dinged Ewers for being inaccurate beyond 10 yards. They also dinged him for leaving his progressions too early and checking down thus further gaming his completion percentage. 

 

Here is some advanced stats from Lamar at Louisville with regards to accuracy. 

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3 hours ago, Had Enough said:

Advanced stats are probably more useful for QB than any other position.  It’ll never tell the full story but it certainly can paint a different story than perception.  
 

I wouldn’t say completion percentage is completely useless on a standalone basis, but it has less value than it once did.  And grading while subjective, paired with other metrics, tells a good story when broken down by depth of target.  It’s pretty basic but if you throw at or near the LOS, that completion number will be higher than if you push it down the field.

Advanced stats are only semi useful because they don't tell you things like what kind of routes was the guy inaccurate on or what sets he was throwing out of. I said this before but it needs repeating. Some guys spend their whole college careers throwing to stationary receivers or pass friendly sets which makes them look more accurate. Hitting a deep dig or a flattened post is a lot harder than hitting a skinny post or vertical. Advanced metrics don't account for that. This simple truth is why so many NFL evaluators miss so wildly on quarterbacks.

 

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16 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

 

Advanced stats are only semi useful because they don't tell you things like what kind of routes was the guy inaccurate on or what sets he was throwing out of. I said this before but it needs repeating. Some guys spend their whole college careers throwing to stationary receivers or pass friendly sets which makes them look more accurate. Hitting a deep dig or a flattened post is a lot harder than hitting a skinny post or vertical. Advanced metrics don't account for that. This simple truth is why so many NFL evaluators miss so wildly on quarterbacks.

 

If you wish to see the full story, you drill down from there.  Generally speaking, if you change a variable, you change the equation.  These metrics tell you what the QB is being asked to do, which is not necessarily what they’re capable of doing or even do best, and how they functioned within that.

 

Overreliance could certainly be a reason for NFL QB failures, but the overall structure of the environment and offense are reasons for failure too.  The “eye test” is one too.  I also believe QB is the most overcoached position which can result in coaching the instincts out of a player.

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My personal belief of why QB is the hardest position to evaluate is because you can't really evaluate the mental side of the position or the drive of a player until the lights come on and it's go time. There are some things you can look for to try and help you find those but IMO you don't truly know until shit hits the fan or they step foot into your facility. 

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1 hour ago, Thatguy said:

14 is high school. My daughter was 14 in high school. She will just have turned 18 a week before she graduates.

cool. the claim was that quinn was throwing 80+ (didn’t his agent say it was 88 yards?) when he was in middle school. 

did it never occur to you QE cultists that if he was throwing 80+ yards in middle school that the videos would have gone so viral so long ago that every single person here would have known about it and seen the videos countless times at this point? it’s such an absurd assertion to begin with that you’d have to be a cultist to even believe it in the first place, but to believe that it’s real when there’s been zero video evidence of it throughout Quinn’s 4 to 5 year run of uber popularity is a level of delusion that no sane person can wrap their head around. just lunacy.

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4 minutes ago, Derka said:

cool. the claim was that quinn was throwing 80+ (didn’t his agent say it was 88 yards?) when he was in middle school. 

did it never occur to you QE cultists that if he was throwing 80+ yards in middle school that the videos would have gone so viral so long ago that every single person here would have known about it and seen the videos countless times at this point? it’s such an absurd assertion to begin with that you’d have to be a cultist to even believe it in the first place, but to believe that it’s real when there’s been zero video evidence of it throughout Quinn’s 4 to 5 year run of uber popularity is a level of delusion that no sane person can wrap their head around. just lunacy.

Who said Quinn threw 80 yards? Or that he was in middle school?

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anyone who thinks that quinn ewers had a bigger arm in 8th grade than rick mcivor did at Texas is a MORON. and yet we’ve spent, what, three pages arguing this very fact?

for the people a few pages back who said they haven’t seen anything that would suggest a cult-like following, this is it. this is exactly what i’m talking about. someone tells you that your demigod did something outrageously unbelievable, and you’ll believe it and argue to the death that it’s real. for once, i’m not just being colorful and hyperbolic, im actually being serious- we have people here who disavow any facts or data which refute their warped reality, yet they will believe any outlandish-impossible claim made about their hero so long as it’s positive. it’s cult stuff. and all of this for the 200th best qb in the nation, a guy who objectively held his team back. unreal.

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14 minutes ago, Derka said:

anyone who thinks that quinn ewers had a bigger arm in 8th grade than rick mcivor did at Texas is a MORON. and yet we’ve spent, what, three pages arguing this very fact?

for the people a few pages back who said they haven’t seen anything that would suggest a cult-like following, this is it. this is exactly what i’m talking about. someone tells you that your demigod did something outrageously unbelievable, and you’ll believe it and argue to the death that it’s real. for once, i’m not just being colorful and hyperbolic, im actually being serious- we have people here who disavow any facts or data which refute their warped reality, yet they will believe any outlandish-impossible claim made about their hero so long as it’s positive. it’s cult stuff. and all of this for the 200th best qb in the nation, a guy who objectively held his team back. unreal.

What facts???

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4 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

Literally nobody here has said they believe the middle school line. That’s the voices in your head again. 

I believe the guy he is arguing with said he threw it 80+ when he was 16.  He never said middle school.  Derka really did just make that up.  Then, when he was proven wrong with 2 examples he continued to go along with the middle school narrative.  🤣 

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59 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

My personal belief of why QB is the hardest position to evaluate is because you can't really evaluate the mental side of the position or the drive of a player until the lights come on and it's go time. There are some things you can look for to try and help you find those but IMO you don't truly know until shit hits the fan or they step foot into your facility. 

I don't think it's that hard to evaluate. Teams just get caught up with measurables. From there its "we spent this much on this kid so we have to give him time" and "we didn't spend much on this kid so we need to move on as quickly as possible if it looks shaky".

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10 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

Literally nobody here has said they believe the middle school line. That’s the voices in your head again. 

I only recall one other poster saying that was bs.  So, if no one else beyond Derks and his sock BO&W, refute it, they must agree with it.  Right?

The 88 yards in middle school is less believable than 75-80 yards in high school.

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2 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

I only recall one other poster saying that was bs.  So, if no one else beyond Derks and his sock BO&W, refute it, they must agree with it.  Right?

The 88 yards in middle school is less believable than 75-80 yards in high school.

Yiss, everyone just ignoring the stupid ass discussion is a Quinn cultist fa sho

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Posted
9 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

I bet @jimmyjazz believe it to be true.

Why are you dragging me into this stupid discussion?  I assure you that Quinn Ewers didn't throw 80 yards in middle school.  Of course, I haven't seen the video to the contrary.  It seems to be curiously missing.

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pocket presence and accuracy can absolutely be improved.  the question is at what point do the lessons become diminishing returns or no return at all. maybe it is high school maybe it is college, no one really knows.

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36 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

I believe the guy he is arguing with said he threw it 80+ when he was 16.  He never said middle school.  Derka really did just make that up.  Then, when he was proven wrong with 2 examples he continued to go along with the middle school narrative.  🤣 

 

24 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

I only recall one other poster saying that was bs.  So, if no one else beyond Derks and his sock BO&W, refute it, they must agree with it.  Right?

The 88 yards in middle school is less believable than 75-80 yards in high school.

In the video of Quinn’s agent doing a radio show posted a few pages back, Quinn’s own agent said he was “throwing the football 88 yards in the 8th grade.” It’s not some stupid shit Derka made up, it came from Ron Slavin’s stupid mouth.

Quinn has a shitty agent saying bullshit like “88 yards in the 8th grade” and saying that “half of the NFL QBs went to their coaches/GMs and said not to draft Quinn because he’s such a big name and it’s too much pressure having him as a backup and thats why he fell to the 7th round.” These dumbass quotes are right from Quinn’s agent’s mouth. He needs better representation. 

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Just now, MrBig said:

 

In the video of Quinn’s agent doing a radio show posted a few pages back, Quinn’s own agent said he was “throwing the football 88 yards in the 8th grade.” It’s not some stupid shit Derka made up, it came from Ron Slavin’s stupid mouth.

Quinn has a shitty agent saying bullshit like “88 yards in the 8th grade” and saying that “half of the NFL QBs went to their coaches/GMs and said not to draft Quinn because he’s such a big name and it’s too much pressure having him as a backup and thats why he fell to the 7th round.” These dumbass quotes are right from Quinn’s agent’s mouth. He needs better representation. 

Right, the argument is that anyone here believes that shit. Which, nobody has stated as such here. That exists in Derkas head only.  

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26 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Why are you dragging me into this stupid discussion?  I assure you that Quinn Ewers didn't throw 80 yards in middle school.  Of course, I haven't seen the video to the contrary.  It seems to be curiously missing.

Just trying to get the band back together for a minute.  You are correct, I have not seen the video to the contrary either.

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22 hours ago, Derka said:

you talked all of that shit and then posted a video of quinn in high school? in what way is that video relevant to the condescendingly repeated assertion that there was “easy to find” video of quinn ewers throwing 80+ in middle school

See this type is misrepresentation is very typical of you, it is a strawman fallacy that they teach in intro philosophy class.   I didn't watch the interview with the agent, but it seems maybe it came from there?  @Thatguy thinks that rumor started from one of the videos of him.  And @AnotherLawyer cited him being in HS and having a video out there of a long pass.   I found and linked those.  I also posted them with a healthy sense of skepticism because it is very unclear to me where the ball is landing and there is no context.   Now you have decided that I believe he could throw a football 80 yards when he was 12 or 14 or whatever, so you could try to represent yourself as a reasonable person when really, you failed to do that from the outset by misrepresenting what was stated and by whom.  

The weird thing is that this all started because YOU were making all kinds of absurd claims based on his NFL draft when no one else was talking about it, trying to cite that as evidence and then using your alternate account (my assumption) to keep pushing goalposts every other post.  This other post here seems to indicate this is something weirdly personal to you.   QE is a record holding QB that helped lead Texas to several significant wins, including a playoff victory and statistically he sits up there in the top 10 of Texas QBs.   Nothing you can ever say will change that.  

 

 

 

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