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8 minutes ago, Funk Doctor Spock said:

What the fuck has this board gone to since I took my mental health exodus? 

I miss cat facts and Charleston talk 


Turns out we needed you to keep us on the straight and narrow. Go figure. 

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Bobby said Georgia and Bama kids are giving the instate team a bit of a discount with regards to NIL.

We will see how badly Sark and co want certain guys if we continue to miss on our targets.  Already thrown the hate in the ring with Cooper from Florida.  And, now, it sounds like we are driving up the price for Lott.

Street goes both ways.  Florida spends more on Guervil, then Texas has that resource freed up for someone else.

Does anyone freaking out honestly think we've ever had a better roster for football than we do today?

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10 minutes ago, Funk Doctor Spock said:

What the fuck has this board gone to since I took my mental health exodus? 

I miss cat facts and Charleston talk 

You didn’t go anywhere,  you just created Boko Bevo or whatever hell the name is, because no one else would stan for Spider2YBanana 🤣

(Just screwing with you, and even though the relentless shitposting at 4 in the morning on multiple threads gets weird, hope you’re managing life ok.)

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Just now, Fondren & Main said:

Bobby said Georgia and Bama kids are giving the instate team a bit of a discount with regards to NIL.

We will see how badly Sark and co want certain guys if we continue to miss on our targets.  Already thrown the hate in the ring with Cooper from Florida.  And, now, it sounds like we are driving up the price for Lott.

Street goes both ways.  Florida spends more on Guervil, then Texas has that resource freed up for someone else.

Does anyone freaking out honestly think we've ever had a better roster for football than we do today?

So are we going balls to the wall for Cooper?

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Just now, Vito Andolini said:

You didn’t go anywhere,  you just created Boko Bevo or whatever hell the name is, because no one else would stan for Spider2YBanana 🤣

(Just screwing with you, and even though the relentless shitposting at 4 in the morning on multiple threads gets weird, hope you’re managing life ok.)

You think I'm up at 4 in the morning? Lol, my limit is 2 at best, sir. 
 

Thank you about my mental health. It got bad. I cut myself off of all social media, here, everywhere. 

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I don’t have much of a feel for recruiting at all right now, but I do feel confident we have the $$$ to put together a top 5 class. I was around a large group of coaches recently (was completely random but awesome) and they just rolled their eyes when I told them I went to Texas. I’m not worried in the slightest. 

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If a 17 year old recruit is unsure of his college destination and gets offered a bag in hand versus a check later, he's probably gonna take the bag and buy some shit. I imagine we have the mechanism to come back later and pay that off with a better offer. But it's gonna cost some guys. 

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46 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Gerry has already been on record of this line of thinking. Now it seems Bobby is on the line of thinking as well

 

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But the guys here said no way it would! 

When you put a cap on the amount of money whether that cap is $0 or $20MM people will find a way to funnel more money to gain an advantage.  

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11 minutes ago, JesusSweatDuck said:

When you put a cap on the amount of money whether that cap is $0 or $20MM people will find a way to funnel more money to gain an advantage.  

Our rivals in the SEC who wanted hard-and-fast guardrail-rules to limit Texas' money got what they wanted -- so that they can go back to cheating while Texas plays by, and gets limited by, rules that no one else in the SEC follows.

The SEC Bag-Men are BACK IN BUSINESS!  FFS

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1 hour ago, BlackCat said:

I don’t have much of a feel for recruiting at all right now, but I do feel confident we have the $$$ to put together a top 5 class. I was around a large group of coaches recently (was completely random but awesome) and they just rolled their eyes when I told them I went to Texas. I’m not worried in the slightest. 

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5 hours ago, closetojumping said:

"Every cycle is different."

Since the 2022 cycle forward, NIL and the portal have combined to create an extremely complicated landscape to navigate. Texas (the Surly/Burton cabal, the AD, Sarkisian and staff, big money boosters) have solved the riddles presented in front of it each time. It hasn't been voodoo or just following the same "process". It's taken a lot of collective buy-in and hard, smart work and some luck each time.

Hell, part of why Saban quit is because he couldn't model future recruiting cycles and portal activity into his "process". I don't know how much of the details he's gone into publicly about that, but he's gone into the nitty gritty on it in private, and he's become a plaintive bitch about it. 

At some point during each cycle, something has clicked for everyone involved and Sarkisian has been able to close on recruits, the current roster, and portal candidates. You can find the moments on the timelines for each period, really. Whatever the case, each cycle from July 1, 2021 forward has involved a spring/summer period of complete fucking shock. This one looks no different. I think a lot of folks are currently flatfooted by how some other programs are initial handling ramifications around House. 

"Past performance does not really inform future returns."

I think this is important to note for this board, largely because there seems to be a reflexive "this is how it always goes" notion from the natives of this forum. I get it, but I'm not personally subscribing to that line of thinking. Why? Because the dynamics of this cycle are, yet again, different. 

Some of the money being thrown around by other schools, whether because they can (Oregon, Michigan) or because they're desperate (USC, LSU, Florida) or because they cannot help themselves and refuse to fall behind (Ohio State, Notre Dame) is fucking shocking. This is not a case of $100k making the difference. When other offers are coming over the top of yours by more than $1M for non-QB roles, that's just flat out new. 

Don't conflate some of these situations with a collective getting or staying aggressive, either. Some of this is coming through the school and not subject to the same compliance. It's "rev share" money. What happens if what's reported to be 85% of $20.5M is really $35M because the program can just do that? I haven't read the House agreement, but what I've heard and what makes sense is that if someone is washing through the rev share, no one externally is going to have the mechanisms to see or hinder that, or punish it. 

So what can programs do if that's the case?

Do it as well? Not likely. Most schools cannot. The $20.5M is a huge fucking burden to get to in the first place. Other schools are just not going to take that approach. It seems pretty clear to me that Texas isn't going to do anything of that sort. 

Keep building through collectives? The burden has now been lightened for boosters at places like Texas, no doubt. However, if Texas wants to reach the mountain top and stay around there, they're going to have to be honest with themselves about it, much as Ohio State and Notre Dame are currently having to be as well. Will Texas? I don't know, but I'm relatively informed and still optimistic.

"Maybe everyone is just catching up to us in NIL!?"

I feel like this anxiety needs to walk away from the keyboards of this board, if nowhere else. No one is going to "catch" a competitive advantage. There is a very small handful of schools that sit above the rest in terms of access to capital and House doesn't change that. Texas would have to choose to give that up. Is that something a totally aligned organization and its benefactors are going to let happen? It seems unlikely. 

I think it is fair to think that Texas is still surveying the landscape and not making all of the moves early, but it will eventually take action and flips and surprises will fall in our favor down the line. I also think it is prudent to realize that there's risk on in this cycle that either may not happen or the calculations will be wrong, with timing being yet another factor that could work against Texas out of nowhere.

"The current season doesn't really impact the current recruiting cycle."

One final thought around all of this is that the performance within the season now matters more than ever. The old thought above this in bold is now an old trope. Money being funneled in for recruiting and roster management is some of the same money recruiting to buyout an old coaching staff and to hire a new one.

Florida's money started flowing after they decided to keep Sun Belt Billy. If that flips and they have to fund a big buyout, there will be blood with that roster and recruiting class. If USC fucks the chicken again, they likely still can't afford to buyout Riley, but that obvious future need may well close off the NIL valve and lead to serious attrition even without coaching change. These are scenarios that will play out at multiple schools before the mythical "signing day" in December. 

I think Texas is going to have another amazing year on the field, so it can only benefit from the carnage within the realm of poor performance and coaching hot seats and firings.

 

I just don't see how on earth an athletic department is going to hide millions of dollars in excessive revenue sharing long term. ADs can and will be audited and millions of dollars will attract the attention of regulators with actual teeth and now you're creating situations in which fines and jail time become a risk for playing games. 

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Michigan 247 writer on Turntine (the last bullet point is peak 9.95)

Last week, Michigan landed two of their top three overall tackle targets in four-star Malakai Lee and three-star Marky Walbridge. With top target Bear McWhorter also committed on the interior, the Wolverines (as we reported upon Lee's verbal) are in a position of power.

One name who remains out there is Top100 John Turntine, who is expected to make his college decision on July 4th. A couple things on his recruitment:

- It's believed that none of Turntine's four finalists know what he's going to do. After announcing his commitment date, he and his family/camp have gone radio silent and appear dead set on deliberating close to the vest before making a decision.

- Michigan adding Lee and Walbridge (who are two clear tackles) made things more difficult but not impossible with Turntine as they've been pitching him as a prospect who could play anywhere along the line. Add in Ty Haywood and Andrew Babalola last cycle and Michigan's depth chart at tackle is a factor. 

- Texas, meanwhile, is in a position of relative desperation as far as wanting to add another tackle. They look like they'll still be the pick for Felix Ojo but after missing out on Zaden Krempin and Malakai Lee (after a late run) they will be able to pitch tackle or guard to Turntine with a clearer path to either position.

- Last note comes from a great source: 'it could be any four of his finalists'

Later added in the comments: "My personal read remains that he'll end up choosing Texas."

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2 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Gerry has already been on record of this line of thinking. Now it seems Bobby is on the line of thinking as well

 

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But the guys here said no way it would! 

Bobby alternates between clarity on this stuff and naïveté.  

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3 hours ago, Fondren & Main said:

Bobby said Georgia and Bama kids are giving the instate team a bit of a discount with regards to NIL.

We will see how badly Sark and co want certain guys if we continue to miss on our targets.  Already thrown the hate in the ring with Cooper from Florida.  And, now, it sounds like we are driving up the price for Lott.

Street goes both ways.  Florida spends more on Guervil, then Texas has that resource freed up for someone else.

Does anyone freaking out honestly think we've ever had a better roster for football than we do today?

I believe that's called a:

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Some of you may have been around to see some of the filming of this movie. Lucky bastards if so.

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4 hours ago, Vito Andolini said:

You didn’t go anywhere,  you just created Boko Bevo or whatever hell the name is, because no one else would stan for Spider2YBanana 🤣

(Just screwing with you, and even though the relentless shitposting at 4 in the morning on multiple threads gets weird, hope you’re managing life ok.)

Please don’t put too much (any) credence into yesterday’s post.  In fact, take anything I say in the recruiting forum with the largest grain of salt, as I don’t know any of the kids Texas is currently in on.  Just wishcasting and hoping y’all give me some good news at some point in the next 60ish days. 
 

 

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3 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Gerry has already been on record of this line of thinking. Now it seems Bobby is on the line of thinking as well

 

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But the guys here said no way it would! 

 

2 hours ago, JesusSweatDuck said:

When you put a cap on the amount of money whether that cap is $0 or $20MM people will find a way to funnel more money to gain an advantage.  

 

2 hours ago, BachelorTrek said:

Our rivals in the SEC who wanted hard-and-fast guardrail-rules to limit Texas' money got what they wanted -- so that they can go back to cheating while Texas plays by, and gets limited by, rules that no one else in the SEC follows.

The SEC Bag-Men are BACK IN BUSINESS!  FFS

Are you guys under the impression that Texas athletes are some how going to stop getting NIL deals? 

There is NO LIMIT to what an athlete can make through NIL sponsorships. 

Texas AD can pay athletes up to the $20 million cap.... Plus they can make NIL revenue on the side that does not affect the cap at all, including through Texas One Fund. 

Do you really think some SEC bag man in fucking Tuscaloosa/Gainesville/Baton Rouge is going to be able to spend more than Texas One Fund?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but what am I missing here? How could AD revenue + bag man + NIL sponsorships for Uncle Bob's Sunflower Seeds in bum fuck nowhere be a threat to Texas AD revenue + Austin corporate sponsorship + Texas One Fund NIL?

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3 minutes ago, TheBryMan81 said:

 

 

Are you guys under the impression that Texas athletes are some how going to stop getting NIL deals? 

There is NO LIMIT to what an athlete can make through NIL sponsorships. 

Texas AD can pay athletes up to the $20 million cap.... Plus they can make NIL revenue on the side that does not affect the cap at all, including through Texas One Fund. 

Do you really think some SEC bag man in fucking Tuscaloosa/Gainesville/Baton Rouge is going to be able to spend more than Texas One Fund?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but what am I missing here? How could AD revenue + bag man + NIL sponsorships for Uncle Bob's Sunflower Seeds in bum fuck nowhere be a threat to Texas AD revenue + Austin corporate sponsorship + Texas One Fund NIL?

What’s better 150-200k from a bagman that doesn’t have to go through verification and is straight to pocket or 750k from Texas that gets denied by Datoilet or whatever that 3rd party is 

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1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

What’s better 150-200k from a bagman that doesn’t have to go through verification and is straight to pocket or 750k from Texas that gets denied by Datoilet or whatever that 3rd party is 

This is a non issue until we see deals actually get denied, precedent set, and actual enforcement/consequences happen. Until then, it's all boogeyman bullshit.

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Just now, TheBryMan81 said:

This is a non issue until we see deals actually get denied, precedent set, and actual enforcement/consequences happen. Until then, it's all boogeyman bullshit.

And yet Texas operates like a pussy while others continue to push boundaries. 

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Posted (edited)
2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

And yet Texas operates like a pussy while others continue to push boundaries. 

How so?

If Texas were operating like a pussy, wouldn't we have lost Hill/Simmons/Muhammad/Wingo/Moore/Guilbeau by now?

Or are you under the impression that their NIL deals haven't been renegotiated each off-season?

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1 minute ago, TheBryMan81 said:

How so?

If Texas were operating like a pussy, wouldn't we have lost Hill/Simmons/Muhammad/Wingo/Moore/Guilbeau by now?

Or are you under the impression that their NIL deals haven't been renegotiated each off-season?

Texas continues to operate by a different rule book by everyone even in this era. We always have ever since the 80s. And for what reason? So some old fucks can feel morally superior why other programs continue to win national titles by cheating and pushing the rule books. 

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7 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Texas continues to operate by a different rule book by everyone even in this era. We always have ever since the 80s. And for what reason? So some old fucks can feel morally superior why other programs continue to win national titles by cheating and pushing the rule books. 

Relax, chicken little.  You sound like Bobby.

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14 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

And yet Texas operates like a pussy while others continue to push boundaries. 

Well, except for the #1 class last year and top five ones before that. 

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20 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Texas continues to operate by a different rule book by everyone even in this era. We always have ever since the 80s. And for what reason? So some old fucks can feel morally superior why other programs continue to win national titles by cheating and pushing the rule books. 

I still don't understand this sky is falling bullshit. What "different rule book" are you talking about? (With regards to now, not back in the 80s)

The different rule book that led us to retaining a roster that went to back to back semi finals? The different rule book that JUST signed and delivered a #1 class?

Also, I'm laughing at the notion that you actually think Bag men can outspend Texas, regardless of whether or not we follow the rules. Bag men paid Cam Newton $180,000. That's chump change now, even within the lateral limits set by "the rules". You think Bag men are somehow going to all of a sudden come up with that amount for multiple players within a 25 man recruiting class? Or 10x that amount for today's 5 star?

There are very few teams that I'm worried about matching/outspending Texas across an entire recruiting class or an entire roster regardless of bag man.  And none of them are in the SEC.

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10 minutes ago, TheBryMan81 said:

I still don't understand this sky is falling bullshit. What "different rule book" are you talking about? (With regards to now, not back in the 80s)

The different rule book that led us to retaining a roster that went to back to back semi finals? The different rule book that JUST signed and delivered a #1 class?

Also, I'm laughing at the notion that you actually think Bag men can outspend Texas, regardless of whether or not we follow the rules. Bag men paid Cam Newton $180,000. That's chump change now, even within the lateral limits set by "the rules". You think Bag men are somehow going to all of a sudden come up with that amount for multiple players within a 25 man recruiting class? Or 10x that amount for today's 5 star?

There are very few teams that I'm worried about matching/outspending Texas across an entire roster regardless of bag man.  And none of them are in the SEC.

Just so we’re on the same page here, you do realize that you’re actively engaging with one of the lowest IQ, highest vaginally juiced fucktards in all of longhorn netdom, right?

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4 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Gerry has already been on record of this line of thinking. Now it seems Bobby is on the line of thinking as well

 

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But the guys here said no way it would! 

Well, I feel like I said it would. We're going to stick to the cap - at least in the short term - but the idea that other college programs across the country were, is and was always ridiculous. That's not how markets work. That's not how human behavior works. You get a small cabal, sure. A small group can stick to their guns. But you get as many separate entities (with their own herd of wealthy cats to manage) as there are in college football, there's no chance they're able to stick to some kind of artificial ceiling on wages. Then it's the way it's always been.

There's a bar in Buffalo, NY - or at least there used to be - called Breaking the Seal. They'd have happy hours where drinks were discounted right up to the time someone had to go to the bathroom. Not sure exactly how the rules worked. But of course once that first person goes, everyone goes.

That's how this stuff is going to be. Once it's obvious that first program goes over the cap, a bunch of other schools are going to do it. Then we see how the enforcement works. Is there any punishment? How is guilt determined? How quickly is punishment administered? How painful is it? An example is going to have to be set. If no example is set in a somewhat timely period I hope as an institution we acknowledge that. There are all kinds of behaviors the administration turns a blind eye to because that's simply the price of doing business. I have confidence that's how it will be here. 

But again, it's now July 1. The House settlement just came down. We're halfway through the recruiting cycle. The ink isn't even dry on the settlement. There's a long ways to go. Jumping to conclusions because of a week of hard knocks on guys we never led on, with seemingly bad news to come for a few guys, is not the way to go, IMO. Let's see how it plays out at least through this recruiting cycle.  

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1 minute ago, BurgleBro said:

So people are now afraid the house settlement will somehow limit NIL?

I've only seen that take in this thread 

When you say afraid, I'm not sure what you mean. The House settlement is absolutely designed to help cap NIL wages, particularly wages through collectives that weren't ever designed to be legitimate marketing NILs, but are pretty much poorly disguised pay for play. If they're disguised at all. I also think the settlement cap is doomed to fail, but that's absolutely the intent. And the party line right now is that schools are going to abide by that. 

There's not even accurate reporting going on about how much is being spent. Ohio State did not have a payroll of $20 million last year. But because Bjork said it as an offhand remark, that's what people have gone with as if he wrote it on stone tablets as he came down from Mt. Sinai. Then you have Bohls throwing out $35-40 million as the payroll for Texas this year, and every swinging dick is quoting "the Houston Chronicle says UT will pay its roster $35-40 million in 2025." Because that's how it works. It's not about the truth. It's about what you can put in print without getting in trouble. 

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4 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

Deloitte ain’t fighting shit.  All it will take is the first lawsuit for them to back off.  They’re just interested in grifting revenue from the NCAA clowns.

What's hilarious is if they try to pass enforcement off to the conferences, which it appears is one of the strategies to avoid antitrust. Yes, the Big 10 and the SEC are going to bring the hammer to Ohio State and Georgia respectively. That's going to happen.

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3 minutes ago, SL Xpress said:

What's hilarious is if they try to pass enforcement off to the conferences, which it appears is one of the strategies to avoid antitrust. Yes, the Big 10 and the SEC are going to bring the hammer to Ohio State and Georgia respectively. That's going to happen.

Lol no they won’t. Only one school has ever been ass fucked by a governing body of college athletics and that was SMU. 
 

there is no point to go by letter of laws for any school considering the NCAA and everything else is powerless due to litigation 

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14 minutes ago, SL Xpress said:

When you say afraid, I'm not sure what you mean. The House settlement is absolutely designed to help cap NIL wages, particularly wages through collectives that weren't ever designed to be legitimate marketing NILs, but are pretty much poorly disguised pay for play. If they're disguised at all. I also think the settlement cap is doomed to fail, but that's absolutely the intent. And the party line right now is that schools are going to abide by that. 

There's not even accurate reporting going on about how much is being spent. Ohio State did not have a payroll of $20 million last year. But because Bjork said it as an offhand remark, that's what people have gone with as if he wrote it on stone tablets as he came down from Mt. Sinai. Then you have Bohls throwing out $35-40 million as the payroll for Texas this year, and every swinging dick is quoting "the Houston Chronicle says UT will pay its roster $35-40 million in 2025." Because that's how it works. It's not about the truth. It's about what you can put in print without getting in trouble. 

Ohio State and Texas made payrolls of $25M last year. The 2025 Texas numbers were fucked up in terms of the layer cake when delivered to Bohls, but in the grand scheme, correct. He described them incorrectly but the total was right. 

 

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25 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

Deloitte ain’t fighting shit.  All it will take is the first lawsuit for them to back off.  They’re just interested in grifting revenue from the NCAA clowns.

That is a great point. Deloitte is in the business of selling services (accounting, consulting). I have a hard time imagining them pissing off business leaders everywhere. As a matter of fact, I bet they took this gig with the idea that it would expand their business as institutions contract with them for other services, in hope of currying favor for their favorite college programs. 

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