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When are Trump's lawyers going to officially argue that the Presidential Records Act totally exonerates him?

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I tole her, "Lucy, no more hats."

-Ricky Ricardo testifies!

So my bet is that today Trump dies three miles outside of Independence of Dysentery on the stand.  

I don't understand ^ this sentence, but I read Trump and Dysentery in Chris Walken's voice and all I can think of is DJT shoving that ladies sportswatch up his own ass.  

And we are laughing.

41 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

So my bet is that today Trump dies three miles outside of Independence of Dysentery on the stand.  

Wait Trump is dying today? I swear I would gladly accept 50 point losses in all of Texas' remaining games in exchange for that. 

1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

So today's the day?

Is this going to be live on tv?

4 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

So today's the day?

 

3 minutes ago, speed817 said:

Is this going to be live on tv?

Don't know, but from the NYTimes...

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Privately, Mr. Trump has told advisers that he is not concerned about his time on the stand. He held preparation sessions when he was in New York attending the trial, according to people briefed on the matter. Mr. Trump is deeply, personally enraged by this trial — and the fact that his children have had to testify, according to several people who have spoken with him — and he may not be able to restrain himself on the stand.

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1 minute ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

 

Don't know, but from the NYTimes...

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11 minutes ago, speed817 said:

Is this going to be live on tv?

No

7 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

 

Don't know, but from the NYTimes...

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Please don't post that gif again

3 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

 

Don't know, but from the NYTimes...

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Kind of along this line, I saw this article on AP.  https://apnews.com/article/trump-new-york-fraud-lawsuit-business-empire-bd06bf8db3a14a9d2f10eb69b300c1d3

I had misunderestimated how many times Trump had testified in various cases, meaning those cases went to trial.  So, he wasn't always able to delay, delay, delay, settle, but I still think that was his number one tactic and that wound up keeping him out of the fact-based venue that is an American court room.

I think, though, that in the past he was less pressured than he is now and probably also just generally more sane than he is now.  Also, actually, probably more tethered to reality and to facts than he is now.

1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

I think, though, that in the past he was less pressured than he is now and probably also just generally more sane than he is now.  Also, actually, probably more tethered to reality and to facts than he is now.

Yeah, I'm no Trump historian, but I doubt his entire business empire has ever been at risk like it is now.

NY Times is following live.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/11/06/nyregion/trump-fraud-trial

8 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Please don't post that gif again

Why not?

4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Yeah, I'm no Trump historian, but I doubt his entire business empire has ever been at risk like it is now.

This.  Though right before he went in, he was blustering for the reporters and cameras.  Hearing what he is doing on the stand, like night and day.  It is too bad it isn't televised.

2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

So what is the best scenario that can come out of this trial?

His business is stripped of anything worthwhile and he is broke as a joke.  At least, that is what I am hoping for.  Fuck him.  I want him to be poor before he goes to jail.

Making a rich person poor is the best revenge, or at least, that is what I heard. 

 

Did I dream that Dotard said last week that he'd be issuing some massive report today that would absolve him of.... something? 

9 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

So what is the best scenario that can come out of this trial?

Not much.  Fines and penalties and forceable dissolution of some Trump Org. assets.  It'll prove what we all know, he's not that wealthy, he's a rather shoddy businessman with the negotiating prowess of one of my children trying to get a different Happy Meal toy at McDonald's.  

For us, as people who still give fuck one about the country we call home...we get to watch him visibly/audibly squirm as he has to admit he's full of shit and doesn't actually know what the fuck he's doing after 55 years in commercial real estate.  

But this is a clever tactic.  The thing he's most proud of is his business acumen.  That's what he ran on in 2015/early 2016.  HE has other fallback positions now-rescuing America from Biden to resume his great 8-year plan, draining the swamp, etc.  But remember, originally it was all about his personal success and leading the effort to supplant Obama/Pelosi/Hillary's America with his own personal successes using his patented and proven 10-point plan.  Once that layer is peeled back and exposed, his confidence and support will wane but he'll overcompensate for that by becoming even more adversarial and unpredictable and spout off more lies under oath in the other 3 upcoming trials.  First you break his wealth mystique and his lack of confidence will be a self-fulfilling domino effect.

Remember, he is never, ever, ever going to jail.  Come to terms with that now.  The idea is to either run him ragged so he dies or is defeated.  The first one is up to Mother Nature.  The second one is up to keeping enough of his kinda middle to moderate to supporters home on Election Day thinking, "I hate Biden, but I just fucking can't with this guy anymore."  You're not gonna turn anybody on to Biden that was for Trump.  Maybe you pick up some rare/independent voters, but best case is to keep ~10mm former Trump voters home because of the shit he's about to pull in the next few months.  That is something which we can assist.  The rest is up to the simulation.  

1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

So what is the best scenario that can come out of this trial?

Well, from the trial itself, he's already been found liable for this odd species of business fraud, which apparently triggers the remedies of cancellation of his entities' authorization to do business in NY.  Exactly where that goes is a bit hard to tell, but it's not good for him and his properties located in NY.  It also triggers a financial penalty in the form of "disgorgement" of his ill-gotten gains.  Apparently, the kind of max number there is $250M, which ain't chump change.  We'll see what the court awards.

There will, of course, be an appeal.  And, as has already been indicated, I suspect that's going to hold off any liquidation of Trump's businesses, and the actual collection of any financial penalty, subject to his posting a bond for it.

This has already been appealed a couple of times, and, so far, Engoron's rulings have mostly held up.  As I have stated previously, I am a little worried that the court of appeals may reverse or modify some of the more punitive remedies awarded.  It may, it may not, but I think it's a legitimate concern.  Appeal to the highest civil court in NY is discretionary, so I don't really know the odds of it making it to the second level of appeal.  US Supreme Court review is pretty much 100% off the table.

Also, if you are reading the Times' live update, it is obvious so much of what he does is performative (DUH).  He is a fucking actor.  He has no business being President.  What a fucking joke this guy is.  

3 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Also, if you are reading the Times' live update, it is obvious so much of what he does is performative (DUH).  He is a fucking actor.  He has no business being President.  What a fucking joke this guy is.  

"The judge, Arthur F. Engoron, turned to Trump after he gave a lengthy answer and said he’d like to move things along, telling Trump, “Please, just answer the question. No speeches.” Trump smirked."

1 hour ago, YGIFS said:

I don't understand ^ this sentence, but I read Trump and Dysentery in Chris Walken's voice and all I can think of is DJT shoving that ladies sportswatch up his own ass.  

And we are laughing.

You never played Oregon Trail?  

I am the Highlands Elementary School grand champion of Oregon Trail.  I'm always the carpenter, I spend all my money on bullets, and shoot all the other players at the outset of the game.  

“Mr. Kise, can you control your client?” he says, right on time. “This is not a political rally.” He asks Kise to have a talk with Trump right now.

So, I thought they were called by the plaintiff?  Is the state questioning?

ETA:  Yes the state is questioning.  I was just distracted by the involvement of Kise.  I assume that he is a "hostile witness," which means the state gets to ask "leading" or yes or no-type questions as if on cross-examination.  Those type of questions do not invite a narrative answer, which is what Trump is doing and is impermissible under the rules, assuming the judge and questioning lawyer object.

 

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2 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

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I tole her, "Lucy, no more hats."

-Ricky Ricardo testifies!

You were so close.  It's "No Lucy, you cando the show."

 

Edited by 4th&Five

3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

“Mr. Kise, can you control your client?” he says, right on time. “This is not a political rally.” He asks Kise to have a talk with Trump right now.

So, I thought they were called by the plaintiff?  Is the state questioning?

 

Is this being televised anywhere live?

3 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Is this being televised anywhere live?

According to CNN, no.  Apparently NY courts are as hostile as federal courts to cameras in the courtroom.

2 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Is this being televised anywhere live?

Hopefully on CCTV piped directly into Don, Jr.'s dealer's apartment where he's mixing fentanyl into the 8-ball telling his side piece, "It's the humane thing to do, we're doing him a favor really..." 

5 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Hopefully on CCTV piped directly into Don, Jr.'s dealer's apartment where he's mixing fentanyl into the 8-ball telling his side piece, "It's the humane thing to do, we're doing him a favor really..." 

Oddly specific.

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Trump’s argument about valuations is essentially that someone could offer him a lot of money any time for one of his properties so they impossible to value.

That isn't how valuation works.  

18 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

Jesus... this creature is the frontrunner for the presidency.  Madness.

Just now, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

That isn't how valuation works.  

No one knows more about real estate than him. 

Hey, someone could fall in love with my house and offer me a million dollars for it. That does not mean that it is impossible to place a value on it. 

Just now, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

That isn't how valuation works.  

Nothing he ever says works.  Multiple bankruptcies and failed marriages out front should have informed Americans.  

So he's already admitted to being responsible for the financial reporting, and then in turn giving it to Mazars.  His defense is no defense.  

I love listening to a fellow CRE colleague talk about the impossibility of property valuations after attempting to "buy" Greenland.  

I'm waiting for Trump to announce that if he gets reelected, he'll head Social Security and make sure Americans finally get what they have coming to them.  It'll be a landslide, a banner year for the Republicans, as they empty SS overnight.  Trump will then tweet about how Biden and the blek guy took all the money, and flags will wave and effigies of Democratic leaders will burn.  And as bizarre as this scenario seems, it's totally plausible. 

26 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

“Mr. Kise, can you control your client?” he says, right on time. “This is not a political rally.” He asks Kise to have a talk with Trump right now.

So, I thought they were called by the plaintiff?  Is the state questioning?

ETA:  Yes the state is questioning.  I was just distracted by the involvement of Kise.  I assume that he is a "hostile witness," which means the state gets to ask "leading" or yes or no-type questions as if on cross-examination.  Those type of questions do not invite a narrative answer, which is what Trump is doing and is impermissible under the rules, assuming the judge and questioning lawyer object.

 

The State is letting him talk a bit as it is just helping them (and puts things on the record that might sink him in other areas).

Direct Exam -Are they showing him exhibits with the same properties and the reduced value he puts on them for tax purposes - versus the inflated value he puts on them when he’s trying to get loans?

I want to hear that word salad from Donnie

This trial was an awful decision. Trump’s getting more popular by the second. They’ll never learn. 

 

Engoron:  "If you can't control your client, I will.  I will excuse him and I will draw every negative inference I can."

Not as charming, similar levels of grammar, though. 
 


“how can I plea to what I didn’t do?”

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1 minute ago, dcbc said:

Engoron:  "If you can't control your client, I will.  I will excuse him and I will draw every negative inference I can."

I have to think in a bench trial that might be a bad omen.  

 

56 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Not much.  Fines and penalties and forceable dissolution of some Trump Org. assets.  It'll prove what we all know, he's not that wealthy, he's a rather shoddy businessman with the negotiating prowess of one of my children trying to get a different Happy Meal toy at McDonald's.  

For us, as people who still give fuck one about the country we call home...we get to watch him visibly/audibly squirm as he has to admit he's full of shit and doesn't actually know what the fuck he's doing after 55 years in commercial real estate.  

But this is a clever tactic.  The thing he's most proud of is his business acumen.  That's what he ran on in 2015/early 2016.  HE has other fallback positions now-rescuing America from Biden to resume his great 8-year plan, draining the swamp, etc.  But remember, originally it was all about his personal success and leading the effort to supplant Obama/Pelosi/Hillary's America with his own personal successes using his patented and proven 10-point plan.  Once that layer is peeled back and exposed, his confidence and support will wane but he'll overcompensate for that by becoming even more adversarial and unpredictable and spout off more lies under oath in the other 3 upcoming trials.  First you break his wealth mystique and his lack of confidence will be a self-fulfilling domino effect.

Remember, he is never, ever, ever going to jail.  Come to terms with that now.  The idea is to either run him ragged so he dies or is defeated.  The first one is up to Mother Nature.  The second one is up to keeping enough of his kinda middle to moderate to supporters home on Election Day thinking, "I hate Biden, but I just fucking can't with this guy anymore."  You're not gonna turn anybody on to Biden that was for Trump.  Maybe you pick up some rare/independent voters, but best case is to keep ~10mm former Trump voters home because of the shit he's about to pull in the next few months.  That is something which we can assist.  The rest is up to the simulation.  

He may not go to jail, but he can be gutted like a pig by lawyers, as will his lawyers by their lawyers.  I'll also support death by a thousand cuts.   

Edited by Mdhorn

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