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On 5/29/2024 at 10:37 AM, F250 said:

It sounds like you are going out of your way to differentiate the Ashenkazi from Europeans

Well to be fair Europeans have gone to extraordinary lengths over centuries to differentiate themselves from the ashkenazim. 

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Four Hostages Taken Alive to Gaza Were Killed, Possibly by IDF Fire:

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The Israel Defense Forces announced on Monday the deaths of four hostages who were kidnapped on October 7 and taken to Gaza alive. The army is checking whether they were killed by IDF fire.

The four were identified as Chaim Peri, 80; Yoram Metzger, 80; and Amiram Cooper, 84 of Nir Oz, as well as Nadav Popplewell, 51, from Nirim.

Popplewell's death was announced by Kibbutz Nirim earlier on Monday.

The bodies of all four are being held by Hamas, and the army believes they were held together in Gaza. The IDF also believes that they were killed in Khan Yunis months ago.

The total number of hostages whose death has been confirmed now stands at 43.

In December, Hamas released a video showing Peri, Metzger and Cooper. A video of Popplewell was released by Hamas in May.

On Monday evening, the IDF said they were able to determine the deaths of all four based off of intelligence.

Following the announcement of their deaths, the Hostage and Missing Families Forum said "their murder in captivity is a disgrace," and a testament of the consequences of delaying hostage deals.

"The heartbreak with the painful news should shake every citizen in the State of Israel, and incite deep soul-searching for every leader. Chaim, Yoram, Amiram and Nadav were kidnapped alive – some of them were with other hostages who returned in the previous deal – and they should have returned alive."

Popplewell was kidnapped to Gaza along with his mother, Channa Peri, who was released in a hostage deal with Hamas last year. His brother, Roi, was murdered during the October 7 attacks.

Popplewell worked as a computer technician in Sderot, loved science fiction and played bridge. On October 7, Hamas terrorists raided the house where he and his mother were staying.

Channa Peri immigrated to Israel from South Africa and met her ex-husband, Popplewell's father, an immigrant from England, at Kibbutz Nirim. There she worked as a seamstress and at the kibbutz's grocery shop. His father worked as a dairy farmer and passed away 18 years ago.

Yoram Metzger was married to Tamar, a father of three and grandfather of seven. Hamas terrorists kidnapped the couple together, and Hamas released Tamar in November.

Tamar was originally from Yemen, while Yoram was born in Poland. Tamar joined the kibbutz in the 1970s, and worked in education and at its convenience store. Yoram worked at the Nirlat factory and in recent years in the kibbutz's agricultural tool garage.

He loved to cook, and was a fan of wines. He was interested in history. He played the accordion and the flute. His daughter-in-law, Ayala Metzger, is one of the leaders of the families of hostages protesting in favor of a deal to release them.

Amiram Cooper was married to Nurit, was a father of three and a grandfather. He held farming and social positions at the kibbutz for 25 years, and was the financial manager of Maon District communities – the regional enterprises of the kibbutz. He also wrote and composed songs.

On October 7, Cooper was kidnapped from his home with his wife, who was later released. He was born in 1938 in Haifa to Sarah, who immigrated from Poland in 1932 as a member of the Maccabiah delegation, and Israel, who immigrated in 1934.

At the end of the War of Independence, he joint Hashomer Hatzair in Haifa, and in 1953, studied at the Kadoorie Agricultural School at Mount Tabor, due to his wish to be a farmer and kibbutznik.

In 1956, the Nir Oz Hashomer Hatzair core was established to host the Nir Oz Nahal outpost, which had been founded in 1955. He was a member of the kibbutz since 1957.

Chaim Peri was born in Givatayim, served in the army's Nahal Brigade and then moved to the Gaza border region to help found Kibbutz Nir Oz. It was there that he met his first wife, Batya. Their daughter Inbal was born in 1968, and their son Lior was born in 1973 – just six months before the Yom Kippur War, in which Chaim took part.

Peri and Batya divorced, and she left Israel and moved to the U.K., where she married for a second time and had two more children. Her son, Daniel, was murdered on October 7, along with his wife Caroline, while visiting the kibbutz.

Chaim later met Osnat, the kibbutz's community manager, and the couple had two additional daughters together. All told Chaim was the father of five children and a grandfather to 13. He was involved in cinema, established a gallery near the kibbutz, drew and sculpted, worked in metals and wrote children's books.

 

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1 hour ago, Hank_Hill said:

This one I like. More of this, less civilians.

Of course.  If I’m Hamas, I only launch attacks from civilian areas.  Any response by Israel, it will be claimed, is a war crime, genocide, etc.  

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yes, I too read the news and immediately wonder what the good posters of surly are going to say about it. 

I also like to make posts declaring that I don't care at all what the posters here think.

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Today, Slovenia became the 144th country to give diplomatic recognition to Palestine.

Slovenia is the latest European country to recognize a Palestinian state. The country’s parliament voted Tuesday in support of the move, following in the recent steps of Spain, Ireland and Norway.

Slovenia’s prime minister has said he sped up efforts to recognize a State of Palestine in reaction to Israel’s expanding invasion of the southern Gaza city of Rafah. The monthlong offensive has largely cut off the flow of food, medicine and other supplies to Palestinians who are facing widespread hunger.

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1 hour ago, Rex Kramer said:

When I say “can’t wait”, it’s use of something called sarcasm. I can wait. It’s not entertaining, it is sad and it is inevitable. 

Oddly enough it looks like everyone is on board with Israel killing shitty people without harming civilians. Almost as if we’ve been saying that literally the entire time.

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2 hours ago, Hank_Hill said:

Oddly enough it looks like everyone is on board with Israel killing shitty people without harming civilians. Almost as if we’ve been saying that literally the entire time.

Yeah it's super weird that the people he made up in his head don't actually exist.

Actually, I guess that's normal for him.

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47 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Yeah it's super weird that the people he made up in his head don't actually exist.

Actually, I guess that's normal for him.

Rex does seem to adopt a hyperaggressive approach to every topic and goes out of his way to pick fights with strawmen.

He reminds me of a toy poodle my sister had when we were kids that would walk up to a wall and just start barking at it for no reason. It feels like he's got some anger issues in his real life that he's working out by aiming them at the board which, I suppose, is better than the alternative.

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According to Israeli family member, the next big move will be in the North. Still tons of rockets and now drones dropping bombs in North Israel from Lebanon. Evidently Iron Dome less effective against drones. This will have to be addressed. He says that tens (hundreds?) of thousands of Israelis live in hotels in Tel Aviv. It's unsafe for them to go back home. It's untenable long term and he thinks any government would move hard to address a similar situation. I tend to agree.

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17 hours ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

 

Good God you're a terrible poster.

I don’t know. Watching his slow descent into madness is pretty fascinating. 

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8 minutes ago, Poester said:

I don’t know. Watching his slow descent into madness is pretty fascinating. 

Brother, I'm not the one stuck in the most pathetic message board doom cycle of all time, getting repeatedly banned and creating new accounts over and over. Turn that mirror inwards.

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The U.N. is adding Israel, Hamas and Islamic Jihad to its list of countries and groups that harm children.

The preface of last year’s U.N. report says it lists parties engaged in “the killing and maiming of children, rape and other forms of sexual violence perpetrated against children, attacks on schools, hospitals and protected persons.”

The AP article notes some good news, though:

The proportion of Palestinian women and children being killed in the Israel-Hamas war appears to have declined sharply, an Associated Press analysis of Gaza Health Ministry data has found, a trend that both coincides with Israel’s changing battlefield tactics and contradicts the ministry’s own public statements.

The trend is significant because the death rate for women and children is the best available proxy for civilian casualties in one of the 21st century’s most destructive conflicts. In October, when the war began, it was above 60%. For the month of April, it was below 40%.

A more detailed AP analysis can be found here:

The AP analysis highlights facts that have been overlooked and could help inform the public debate, said Gabriel Epstein, a research assistant at the Washington Institute for Near East policy who has also studied the Health Ministry data.

The declining impact on women and children -- as well as a drop in the overall death rate -- are “definitely due to a change in the way the IDF is acting right now,” Epstein said, using an acronym for the Israeli army. “That’s an easy conclusion, but I don’t think it’s been made enough.”

Hmmm...I wonder what the previously discredited stats guy who put together that easily debunked bullshit article from the Tablet would say?

 

But, of course, there remains this minor issue (citation from the first article link):

U.N. agencies warned Wednesday that over 1 million Palestinians in Gaza could experience the highest level of starvation by the middle of next month if hostilities continue.

The World Food Program and the Food and Agriculture Organization said in a joint report that hunger is worsening because of heavy restrictions on humanitarian access and the collapse of the local food system in the eight-month Israel-Hamas war.

 

Meanwhile, the US continues to apply pressure on the belligerent extremists to accept a ceasefire, including requesting the UN Security Council "to adopt a resolution demanding a permanent cease-fire between Hamas and Israel in Gaza, over Israel’s objections."

And there's this, which could end up being big news tomorrow:

Benny Gantz, a centrist member of Netanyahu’s war Cabinet, has called a news conference for Saturday, where he is expected to address his earlier threat to resign by this weekend if Netanyahu failed to release a plan for the war and Gaza.

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/israel-says-four-hostages-rescued-123033809.html

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Four hostages have been freed in a special operation in the Nuseirat refugee camp in central Gaza, Israel’s military says, as Palestinian officials reported more than 50 people killed in strikes in the same area.

Noa Argamani, 25, Almog Meir Jan, 21, Andrey Kozlov, 27, and Shlomi Ziv, 40, were rescued by the Israeli military, intelligence and special forces from two separate locations in Nuseirat, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said Saturday.

All four were kidnapped from the Nova music festival on October 7, according to the IDF.

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You’ll remember Noa being hauled off like some victim of Bronze Age tribal warfare from a concert. They were being stashed with civilians because of course they were.

Always good to remember the way language is used for political aims, Nuseirat remained a “camp” only because UNRWA called it one, it was not tent people and outdoor kitchens. One might also call it a town mostly built after 1948.

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57 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/israel-says-four-hostages-rescued-123033809.html

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You’ll remember Noa being hauled off like some victim of Bronze Age tribal warfare from a concert. They were being stashed with civilians because of course they were.

Always good to remember the way language is used for political aims, Nuseirat remained a “camp” only because UNRWA called it one, it was not tent people and outdoor kitchens. One might also call it a town mostly built after 1948.

 

Retrieving hostages alive is really going to disincentivize Israel from doing any deals with Hamas. There isn't any reason to commit to a ceasefire or one of the 2000 Palestinian for 4 hostage type deals being rolled out.

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3 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/israel-says-four-hostages-rescued-123033809.html

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You’ll remember Noa being hauled off like some victim of Bronze Age tribal warfare from a concert. They were being stashed with civilians because of course they were.

Always good to remember the way language is used for political aims, Nuseirat remained a “camp” only because UNRWA called it one, it was not tent people and outdoor kitchens. One might also call it a town mostly built after 1948.

This will likely disappoint the Hamas sympathizers in America and how some "peaceful" Palestinian civilians knew where the hostages were being held.

Glad the US helped out, too.

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21 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

This will likely disappoint the Hamas sympathizers in America and how some "peaceful" Palestinian civilians knew where the hostages were being held.

Glad the US helped out, too.

Where did you read the US helped?

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Israel is offering a pause only. Both sides have trouble with the gray area language defining the progress of negotiations in regards to the next phases. Both sides feel like they could be left out to dry. And Israel has the problem of its far-right flank saying they will upend the Netnyahu governing coalition if he dares accept this deal. It's not really as black and white as some people would like to think.

 

 

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1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:


A reminder that the only option that is acceptable to Hamas is “Israel unconditionally surrenders” and that’s what lots of people in the West think Isrsel should do.

 

1 hour ago, JohnnyRage said:

Israel is offering a pause only. Both sides have trouble with the gray area language defining the progress of negotiations in regards to the next phases. Both sides feel like they could be left out to dry. And Israel has the problem of its far-right flank saying they will upend the Netnyahu governing coalition if he dares accept this deal. It's not really as black and white as some people would like to think.

A reminder that the proposed deal came from Netanyahu, and yet even he hasn't said whether he'll accept it.

A further reminder that the only acceptable outcome for Bibi is that a Palestinian State is never established, and also the only acceptable outcome for his far-right allies is that the West Bank Judea and Samaria Area (they refer to it only by its Biblical name) and Gaza are ethnically cleansed and annexed.

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4 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Israelis and jews would never accept this.

Well, I would hope not, but how do you explain the popularity of Smotrich and Ben Gvir, who have both advocated for it? It's not like they're backbenchers or anything, either, since they both hold high government positions. Then, you've got the settlers, many of whom explicitly will state that's their goal.

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6 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

 

 

I do believe many are so blinded by their irrational hate of Israel that they appear to support a fucking scum terrorist organization. 

 

Yea nobody here is doing that. You’re making shit up again. 

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@Bevo Lookie here. We have one of our own posters openly cheering for ethnic cleansing.

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If we've got a Highland Park WASP stating upfront that he's for ethnic cleansing, don't tell me that a lot of extremist settlers aren't also fully supportive. I mean, isn't that the whole point of the settler movement after all? They mean to drive Palestinians from the land and replace them. That's ethnic cleansing.

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23 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

There’s little reason for a ceasefire at all. 

They were pathetic in pre NIL era and they’re an absolute joke now.  These are historically VERY weak organizations.

No doubt. So glad we helped. 

You’re in denial about Hamas sympathizers.  Absolute denial.  They are a huge percentage of any protest.

Also, I simply do not believe you’re happy she escaped.

This is not going to happen and these are not serious people. Here (Surly) they should be repeatedly combatted with and ridiculed. 

It is black and white. Israel will not stop. Nor should they. 

I don’t believe you are. I believe you’re here to fling shit. I do believe many are so blinded by their irrational hate of Israel that they appear to support a fucking scum terrorist organization. 

Good. Palestinians have never done anything to suggest they merit a state. 

Lmao you are seriously the biggest snowflake bitch alive.

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22 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

 

Good. Palestinians have never done anything to suggest they merit a state. 

This is an underrated point.  If there to become their own country, what kind of country would they be?  Hamas and the Palestinians haven't shown they're interested in the unsexy parts of running a government like picking up the trash and infrastructure and what not.  They're more interested in a pile of dead Jews.

Personally, if I were Israel, I'd give them their own country and then I'd wall it off like the Berlin Wall and then if they start shit over the years, I'd blow it off the map.

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Just now, Rex Kramer said:

 

I’m for neither genocide, which very obviously is not going on by Israel, or ethic cleansing. My home and ethnic profile has zero to do with this. 

Then what is going on?

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4 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

 

I’m for neither genocide, which very obviously is not going on by Israel, nor ethic cleansing. My home and ethnic profile has zero to do with this. 

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I'm sorry Rex, you were lying?

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3 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

War. And the Hamas tactics employed when countered. What do you think is going on?  

Ethnic cleansing. Which you just openly supported and then lied about. Weirdly enough, lying about your own words doesn't really work when your words are still on this page.

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Just now, Rex Kramer said:

The “good” was in reference to Bibi disallowing a Palestinian state. I’ll attempt to edit and bold that part for you fucking idiots. I ignore accusations of ethnic cleansing for what they are: fantastical bullshit. 

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8 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

I can’t edit. Should’ve been VERY obvious to what I was referring. But you and bolverk and Hank proceed with your circle jerk. 

It is VERY obvious

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Just now, Rex Kramer said:

I can’t edit. Should’ve been VERY obvious to what I was referring. But you and bolverk and Hank proceed with your circle jerk. 

It was quite obvious, don't you worry, little guy.

44 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Israelis and jews would never accept this.

I would posit that the majority wouldn't accept it, but the majority also seem to want Bibi/Likud out of office and that doesn't seem to make any difference at all. A significant number of Israelis have been demanding that new elections be held when the Gaza conflict winds down, and they (Bibi's gov't) are fiercely opposing this. They've already done things such as pass a law making the PM more difficult to remove. Luckily, the Israeli supreme court struck that down (rather, delayed it until after the next elections in 2026). But it's not a great omen for the future of democracy in Israel.

Also, as someone else said earlier, the most extreme elements of Likud have significant support. It's not like they represent a small percentage of the Israeli populace.

The bottom line for Bibi is he likely needs to stay in the PM seat to stay out of prison, so it's doubtful he gives up power without a struggle. I don't think he can or would try to postpone the 2026 elections, but it's not out of the realm of possibility.

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