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1 minute ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Why you gotta be like that?  I just think it should have been on the floor and 2 shots. 

You probably also think when guys take 3 or 4 steps on the way to the basket they should be called for traveling....amateur.  

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Just now, Surly Bevo said:

You probably also think when guys take 3 or 4 steps on the way to the basket they should be called for traveling....amateur.  

Yeah there was a pass to dj jones where he took like 5 steps and one dribble on his way to a contested layup. 

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Lively is probably even more important. Brunson was a capable number 2 but we didn’t have a Lively. 
Can't believe that version of JB was our #2 and we made it to the WCF.

Nico, I don't want to hear Josh Green is untouchable.

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17 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:

Lively is probably even more important. Brunson was a capable number 2 but we didn’t have a Lively. 

agree that Brunson became a damn good player but he is much more ball dominant than Kyrie in my opinion.  I'd probably still take Kyrie in must make situation and he plays off of Luka better.

yes, Lively/Gafford/DJJ are great around the rim

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2 hours ago, LurkingHorn said:

The Mavs shot 24% from 3 and won…

If I were Minnesota, I would be pretty concerned about that. 

Had the same reaction. We were outplayed most of the game and it didn’t matter. 

Depth is going to factor in at some point and the Wolves having only Reid, Anderson, and Alexander-Walker rotating in may make the series. Getting Maxi back would be a huge boon.

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OKC doubled Luka and Kyrie and Washington, Gaffird, Lively, etc stepped up. Minny didn’t and Luka and Kyrie go for 60+. This team is so well composed. Let’s keep it going!

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58 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

The Lively / Gafford comparison on this board is nuts. Gafford is a considerably better offensive player than Lively. He is not as good as Lively defensively. We must have them both and Gafford was excellent last night in the second half. 


Bro we can’t help you if you haven’t moved beyond the eye test and fg% to evaluate how effective a player is on the court. 
 

Lively’s net rating so far in the playoffs is +16. Gafford’s is -10.3. 
 

Since I know you have no idea what net rating means I’ll paste the definition here for you:

Net rating is the offensive rating minus the defensive rating, but simply put it can be defined as how much better or worse the team is when a specific player is on the court. These ratings are usually on a per X possessions basis. Using possessions rather than minutes eliminates the effects of a team that plays very fast or very slow.

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1 hour ago, Rex Kramer said:

Yep. The role players and bench won’t have a nothing burger (outside of Gafford and Lively) again. My thoughts:

- THJ - when your on the court, get shots off. Otherwise you won’t be on court long. 
- Josh Green somehow played worse. 
- The Lively / Gafford comparison on this board is nuts. Gafford is a considerably better offensive player than Lively. He is not as good as Lively defensively. We must have them both and Gafford was excellent last night in the second half. 
- If we can get some more help, I can see us winning in 5 or 6. 

uh, no.    and "you're"

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Couldn't ask for a better start to this series. Won a game on the road to immediately snatch back HCA in a game where we only made six 3's and Minnesota went crazy beyond 3. Going to be a fun ride as this series has the makings of going the distance.

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FTs were huge last night for the Mavs. It’s been a lingering issue all season, and cost us a playoff game already, but last night we went 16/17. Went a long way toward offsetting the off shooting night from 3. 

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8 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

 

Uh, yes. Y’all need to stop looking up random obscure metrics, stop bitching about refs in every contest (of every Dallas or Longhorn sport), and realize you don’t know basketball nearly as well as you think you do. 

The difference between Gafford and Lively offensively is greater than the difference between them defensively. Gafford is better O, and Lively is better D. Gafford is the better player. Lively has had a better playoffs and has more upside, maybe, but will likely never be as talented as DG offensively. 

uh I'm not talking about Lively dude...I bolded THJ.  reading comprehension.  we know basketball way better than y'all

and still "you're".

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Just now, Pato del Muerto said:

They were 36.7% by the end. Not that crazy. 

yep.  they regressed to close to their mean.  PJ and Luka's 3's at the end were huge.

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10 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

They were 36.7% by the end. Not that crazy. 

True. Didn't realize they fell off that sharply. They were hitting everything early. But they still made 12 more than us and 12% better and still lost. Ours were more timely.

And it helped we were damn near perfect from the FT line.

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1 hour ago, Rex Kramer said:

 

Uh, yes. Y’all need to stop looking up random obscure metrics, stop bitching about refs in every contest (of every Dallas or Longhorn sport), and realize you don’t know basketball nearly as well as you think you do. 

The difference between Gafford and Lively offensively is greater than the difference between them defensively. Gafford is better O, and Lively is better D. Gafford is the better player. Lively has had a better playoffs and has more upside, maybe, but will likely never be as talented as DG offensively. 


 

 

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Nice piece.

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And the moment he sees a coverage he doesn’t like, he’s more than willing to wipe it away with the dismissive flick of a wrist. In crunch time, when Lively turned the ball over on a travel after Doncic was blitzed, Wonder Boy turned Chess Master and waved off the screen on the next play, going mano a mano with Jaden McDaniels, nailing a stepback 2, and capping off a 15-point fourth quarter with split-second tactical wizardry that Edwards is just starting to grasp.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2024/5/23/24163171/luka-doncic-anthony-edwards-dallas-mavericks-minnesota-timberwolves

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3 hours ago, Firemans4Horn said:


Bro we can’t help you if you haven’t moved beyond the eye test and fg% to evaluate how effective a player is on the court. 
 

Lively’s net rating so far in the playoffs is +16. Gafford’s is -10.3. 
 

Since I know you have no idea what net rating means I’ll paste the definition here for you:

Net rating is the offensive rating minus the defensive rating, but simply put it can be defined as how much better or worse the team is when a specific player is on the court. These ratings are usually on a per X possessions basis. Using possessions rather than minutes eliminates the effects of a team that plays very fast or very slow.

Lively is better defensively than Gafford and much better when catching the ball on the move and making quick decisions on whether to shoot or who to pass to, however Gafford is more consistent when finishing shots around the basket that aren't dunks or easy layups. I'm glad we have them both. 

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Great game last night.   So huge to get a win on a night where the outside shots weren't falling.  It will be interesting to see how MN adjusts defensively after getting destroyed in the paint.  I've got a feeling we'll need to make more 3's the next game (with plenty of great looks) so hopefully got that poor shooting night out of the system.

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7 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Sorry. Kind of. When THJ comes on the court, he must bring instant scoring. If he doesn’t and/or his shot isn’t there, he needs to only play about 5 minutes per half. 

 

 

I'm not gonna die on this hill because THJ doesn't really matter much in the big picture but  10 minutes, 4 rebounds, 1 steal and 0 shots is fine with me.  we don't need THJ shooting so we/he can figure out if his shot is or isn't there. 

THJ is a minutes eater(10-12 is a good number) to keep other guys fresh. We beat the #3 seed in their building with THJ taking zero shots.

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2 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

Sorry. Kind of. When THJ comes on the court, he must bring instant scoring. If he doesn’t and/or his shot isn’t there, he needs to only play about 5 minutes per half. 

 

Mostly agree but Gafford doesn’t need to pass because he’s dunking or decisively taking a shot inside 5 feet. Do you know why Lively might (might) have better passing skills?  Because Gafford is hands down a better scorer. Better hands. Softer touch. Thicker body. Flusher dunks. 

What is bolded is key, though, and the way the resident ref whiners on this board talk about him is that Gafford is inferior to Lively. He’s not. 

You have to think about things situationly. Take for instance the times when Luka or Kyrie are blitzed in the backcourt. I'm much more confident in Lively's decision making and execution receiving a pass 20 feet away from the basket than Gafford's. And they're going to blitz the hell out of both Kyrie and Luka in the upcoming games now that they realize that their drop coverage is going to get destroyed by them.

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36 minutes ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

That's not really a great example of Ant playing poor defense. Kyrie received the ball in transition with Ant trailing him by 10 feet. 

There are like 3 or 4 more clips in the video.

I do think the Wolves are going to come out hot tonight. We're going to need to keep it close and go for the haymaker at the end. Very interested to see how they adjust on defense. 

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Very interested to see how Wolves defend with a gimpy Conley. Not many places to hide him against this Mavs team. 

 

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