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Equivocating 9/11 terrorists with Robert E Lee. Brain worms. Unsurprising form from a poster that runs out analogies to deflect from American arming and funding ethnic cleansing cause he maybe jaywalked one time or raised his voice in unjustified anger at one of his paralegals. 

You’re right.
It’s an unfair comparison.
Lee is responsible for many, many, many more American deaths.
Please, continue to defend people who actively want to HONOR traitors. Imagine naming an American military base after someone who took up arms against and killed American soldiers….except you don’t have to imagine. It happened. And we did so as part of our national petulance to tell black folks that we’re damned well gonna keep em in their place: we’re going to name our own military bases after men who fought to keep you enslaved, and we’re also gonna fly confederate flags and shit, so remember your place, boy.
Yes. That’s a great thing to see in the platform of an entire state-wide political party.
Fuck, honoring Al Qaeda would be an improvement for these assholes.
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4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Please, continue to defend people who actively want to HONOR traitors.

I am not defending anyone. Just pointing out absurdity. 

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I am not defending anyone. Just pointing out absurdity. 

I’m thinking that if you’re itching to point out some absurdity….MAYBE you could start with a statewide party being so butthurt about us NOT honoring traitors that they actually put “we must honor these traitors” in their official party platform. That seems pretty absurd to me. But you’re right, a single dude on a website pointing out how utterly fucking batshit and sick that is..that’s the REAL absurdity.
Never change, dude.
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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Hey, I’m all about honoring every one of the “southern heroes.” Here, I’ll list them for you:

The cult of celebrating losers is weird as fuck, at least outside of sports.  The Germans aren’t pressuring their government and going around erecting monuments to Himmler and Goering and Hitler.

And I’ve said this before, but there’s a whole shitload of people who want to celebrate their “ancestral heritage” when their fucking ancestors weren’t even living in the South (or the US) or fighting in the Civil War. And when I do find ancestors for people, well there’s a lot more deserters and people dying from shitting their guts out than they realized.  They have such an idolized view of the Civil War, even though there’s been plenty of material out there showing that it was a fucking cluseterfuck and that these “southern heroes” like Lee, Jackson, etc. got way too many of their men slaughtered needlessly in battle, and they gave no shits when they’d fucked up.  “Marse Robert cared about his soldiers” they say, but if so, then why the fuck did he keep taking risks and getting them slaughtered?  Why did he let clearly inept generals and colonels lead soldiers to their deaths?  He gave no fucks about his men.

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We talking Southern heroes? By all means (from Reddit):

Old Austin Tales: Guerilla Warfare on Bull Creek - 1861

 Inspired by [recent events](https://www.reddit.com/r/Austin/comments/6191ei/austin_oaks_advances_at_city_council_after/), I thought I'd post a story today instead of the usual history pic about a time when some of the NIMBYs of north Travis County decided they didn't want that thing called the Confederate States of America in THEIR backyards. They make today's NIMBYs seem docile and accommodating in comparison.  But first some backstory: 

 Among the first American settlers in the area were Will Preece Sr., his wife Elizabeth, and sons Richard Lincoln Preece and Will Jr.. (there were also other unknown siblings) About 1838, the year before Waterloo was designated Austin by Mirabeau Lamar, the Preece family left their Illinois homestead and moved to either stretch of land near where Marble Falls is today or a hilly plot near where Common Ford Ranch Park is today off 2222. (They apparently owned both.)  The parents were originally from Kentucky and Virginia. The father took after Daniel Boone and fancied himself a 'Mountain man'.  The sons Dick and 'Little Will' (as the brothers were known) became Texas Rangers in the 1850s and eventually acquired many various plots of land in the area, including a 3000+ acre tract  stretching from today's Lake Travis to Cedar Park along modern 1431. 

For about the first 30 or 40 years of Austin's existence, the area to the north and west of Shoal Creek was the borderlands of [Comancheria](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comancheria). The Preece children were hardened by a state of constant warfare with the natives growing up and became expert hunters and trackers, which served them well as Rangers.  They were intimately familiar with the geography and the hidden nooks and crannies in the area. According to lore, they named the nearby creek "Bull Creek" in honor of a particularly large buffalo bull (some say the last one ever seen in the area) which either Will Sr. or young Dick shot in the creek one day.

I'll let some better storytellers than I pick up the story from there:

 The following is an except from Mike Cox's Central Texas history column on [TexasEscapes.com](http://www.texasescapes.com/MikeCoxTexasTales/267-Bull-Creek-Battle.htm) and also appears in his book Central Texas Tales. 

>Remote and hard to reach in the days of horse and wagon travel, the hills west of the Capital City were peopled by scattered families who came from the mountains of Tennessee and Kentucky and settled there because the terrain reminded them of home.

>But not all of them hailed from the South. The Will Preece clan had come to Texas from Illinois, and when southerners started talking about leaving the Union, the Preece’s brooked no interest in the concept. In fact, old man Preece’s cousin was Tom Lincoln, father of the man recently elected president.

>That set of circumstance led to a long-forgotten series of gunfights and ambushes in the hills of Travis County, a Civil War conflict for which no historical markers stand in commemoration. Texas’ Battle of Bull Creek hardly compares with the Battle of Bull Run, but the partisan feelings that triggered the fight went as deep.

>Generally lost in most Civil War stories is the fact that not everyone in the South, particularly in Texas, favored secession. In fact, Travis County voted to stay in the Union.

>The first movement in the battle came shortly after the secession election results became known. A squad of Confederate recruitment officers, “flushed with good bourbon and electoral victory,” rode into the hills to enlist “mountain cowboys” for the CSA cavalry.

>As the rebels approached Will  Preece’s cabin, which stood in the immediate vicinity of Bull Creek, a rifle bullet cut the bridle of one of the riders. A second shot from another of the Preece family removed the eyebrow hair from another secessionist.

>More lead followed, but none of the rebels caught any. Since the Preece’s provisioned their larder with deer and squirrel they shot, the misses may have been intentional, mere warning shots.

>The riders turned and rode back to Austin. Four months would go by before the bombardment of Fort Sumter, but the Civil War had started in Texas.

>That June – Preece did not give the day – 20 Travis County Unionists calling themselves the Mountain Eagles ambushed more than twice that number of Confederate cavalrymen on their way to the pro-Union German settlements farther west.

>The half-hour gun battle near Martin’s Well claimed nine “Secesh” as the hill men called the Southerners. Another six men suffered wounds in the battle.

>In response to the attack, the governor commissioned a special Ranger company to root out the pro-Union element west of Austin. The Southern partisans scoured the hills, giving young men the choice of conscription in the Confederate Army or a permanent draft deferment at the end of a rope. Those considered incorrigible did not get the military option.

>...

The following is an excerpt from ["My Grandfather, Dick Preece"](https://archive.org/stream/MyGrandfatherDickPreeceByHaroldPreeceRealWest1964/My%20Grandfather%20Dick%20Preece,%20by%20Harold%20Preece,%20Real%20West%201964_djvu.txt), written by his grandson Harold, which was first printed in [Real West Magazine (Volume VII, Number 38, Nov. 1964)](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cLLm-8hqGr8/Vq45BOOnMxI/AAAAAAAAEXo/BuuztJ3syks/s1600/Real%2BWest%252C%2Bcolor%2Bcover.jpg). This is part of the original story Mr. Cox based his version on.
...

>***By 1859 most of the wild tribesmen 
had been driven to a reservation set 
aside for them by the federal government in the Wichita Mountains of 
eastern Territory. By 1860 only a few 
roving bands remained in the remote, 
unsettled Texas panhandle. 
By 1861--*** 

>***That year the Union fell apart. And 
so did Texas. Abraham Lincoln was inaugurated as president of the crumbling 
nation. That ugly shambles we call the 
Civil War began. Across Red River, 
into their old domain of the Lone Star 
state, rode the Comanches.*** 

>***County after county in the western 
half of Texas voted against secession 
including Travis County of the Preeces 
and of Austin, the capital. Thousands 
of Union men, including distinguished ex-Rangers like Dick Preece, refused, 
from principle, to fight in the armies 
of the foredoomed southern Confederacy. But grandfather and other loyalist leaders hoped that all Texas, 
whether Unionist or Confederate, might 
unite in common defense against the 
new onslaught of the returning Comanches.*** 


>***The dice rolled differently. 
Grandfather with his outstanding 
Ranger record found himself a fugitive 
from men wearing the Ranger badges. 
That many of these wore it unworthily 
is now generally admitted. Giving 
grandfather the most trouble was a 
pathological character named Jeff Maltby who had his special sick reason for 
hating the Preeces.*** 

>***Maltby was a native of Springfield, 
Illinois, where he had known and feared the town's leading citizen, Abraham 
Lincoln. Lincoln, it is said, had once represented a man who had beaten the 
hot tempered sadist Maltby, in a lawsuit. After coming to Texas, the unpopular drifter had reputedly tried to 
enlist time and time again with the 
Rangers. He blamed grandfather for 
blocking the way.*** 

>***Three months after Fort Sumter, 
grandfather who'd tacked up reward 
posters for so many wanted men, was 
seeing billets with his own name tacked 
on the trees of the hill country. "A 
deserter from conscription" — he was 
branded. The designation made him feel 
proud even when he had to keep shifting his residence from one Bull Creek 
cave to another.*** 

>***Yet from other such "deserters", 
lots of them ex-Rangers, came some 
of the most effective of the resistance groups springing up in a 
rebellious south from Virginia to Texas. 
"The Mountain Eagles" his corps was 
called because the eagle was the emblem 
of the American republic to which its 
members would not foreswear allegiance.*** 

>***Time and time again Maltby, the 
northern-born leader of Confederate 
irregulars, invaded the hills looking 
for boys to conscript in the Confederate 
armies and stock to be requisitioned 
for the confederate state "home guards." 
Time and time again, grandfather, the 
southern-born chieftain of Unionist irregulars, blocked him.*** 

>***Maltby scored some triumphs, but he never conquered that detached, unsurrendering patch of the United States which was Bull Creek. Grandfather, 
the very symbol of the Loyalist counter 
rebellion, turned caves into citadels 
which belched death on the mounted 
thugs every time they rode into the 
hills Within the dense caverns he cached stocks of rifles and ammunition 
supplied to him through the widespread 
Unionist underground operating from 
Mexico, across the far away Rio Grande 
River, but honeycombing western Texas 
with clandestine political organizations 
and bands of sure trigger bush fighters 
Grandfather became one of the finest 
sharp shooters and best scouts in a 
Unionist regular outfit, the First Texas 
Cavalry of the Federal Army, after the 
Mountain Eagles were drafted into official service by Colonel Andrew J. 
Hamilton appointed by President Lincoln to head a sort of a state government functioning underground from ranch to ranch in far western Texas.***

>...

As Mike Cox finishes the story:

> By Jan. 1, 1862, only 40 of the Mountain Eagles remained in the hills. Their ammunition supply low, the men had holed up in a makeshift piled-stone fortress atop a prominence offering a good view of all approaches.

>Opting not to celebrate New Year’s Day, state forces attacked the Unionist stronghold. Preece wrote that his uncle claimed 30 “Secesh” and 3 Unionists died in the battle near Bull Creek but admitted that “half that number for Confederates and double that figure for the Eagles would probably be a less biased estimate.”

>In truth, the numbers likely came to even fewer than that or the battle site would have been better remembered. But the location of the fort did come to be called Dead Man’s Peak.

>The fight ended the mini-war in the hills west of the Capital City. The surviving Mountain Eagles rode to Mexico, four of the Preece’s ending up in New Orleans. After the war, their loyalty to the Union never having wavered, they returned to Bull Creek


Dick Preece and his brother Little Will had many adventures and battles, especially with The Comanche.  You can read much more about them and their families' lives in early Travis County in [this comprehensive 5-star history blog post](http://txcompost.blogspot.com/2016/02/texas-ranger-dick-preeces-comanche-trail.html) written by Dick O'Dennehy, complete with maps, pics, and documents from the era, from which I have borrowed tiny bits of info without permission for this post. (along with Mr. Cox and the late Mr. Preece) Please forgive me sirs, if you see this. I really can't say enough good things about that blog of Mr. O'Dennehy, many great articles on there with good insights, good reading for anyone interested in Austin history. Mr Cox's column is decent in that regard as well with hill country lore. 

~~The part of the Preece family's land along the Colorado where the original family cemetery was located was inundated when the construction of the first Austin "Great Granite" Dam created Lake McDonald in 1893 (roughly the same as Lake Austin today).~~   When Dick died in 1919 they buried him in the [new Preece family cemetery on Vaught Ranch Rd.](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Preece+Cemetery/@30.3728753,-97.8094546,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x865b3497d0d77b9b:0x44fcfe0126d70fbf!8m2!3d30.3728707!4d-97.8072659) near City Park Rd. off 2222. The University of Texas’ Briscoe Center for American History is home to the “Richard Lincoln Preece Papers, 1859-1919”

P.S. If anyone has any theories where the hilltop they made the "makeshift piled-stone fortress atop a prominence offering a good view of all approaches." is, or if you have some info about The Preece's, or "Martin's well" (What and where is that?), please speak up.  I'd love to hear people's thoughts and  ideas. 

P.P.S. Apologies to those offended by tl;dr walls of text or were counting on seeing a history pic today. have some bonus pics.


 

Tl/dr In the hills around Bull Creek, throughout the Civil war, pro-Union Texas Rangers conducted guerilla operations against the secessionists. They kicked traitor ass.

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

I’m thinking that if you’re itching to point out some absurdity….MAYBE you could start with a statewide party being so butthurt about us NOT honoring traitors that they actually put “we must honor these traitors” in their official party platform. That seems pretty absurd to me.

It’s racism, disguised as some Lost Cause bullshit (which in and of itself was covering up the racism of the South).  

Most Texans living today had families who came here long after the Civil War, but they aren’t wanting to put up monuments to the Mexicans who owned Texas before it broke away, or the Conquistadors or the Catholic missionaries or the Comanches.  No, they single out Confederates as deserving of our public monies to erect monuments too, losers in a war that didn’t last half-a-decade.  A pimple on the timeline of Texas history,

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Just now, Brian Fantana said:

How did we get stuck with the one guy who could conceivably lose to Trump at this point

It may feel good to think of it as a Biden problem, but trust me....the best person you could imagine could be running, and the numbers wouldn't be much different.  It doesn't matter who the Dem candidate is, what they do, etc.  Fox news and the right-wing propaganda machine would paint them as an evil communistmarxistsocialist who wants to take your guns and eat your babies and also is crooked and is sleepy and has a bad case of scurvy and is a fascist but is also a communist and is both owned by China and too tough on China and he doesn't hug the flag like a true patriot does, etc. etc.

It doesn't matter.  Nothing but Trump matters.  There is no resisting him, no opposing him, no alternative to him.  Everyone in this country who is right of even moderately liberal has fallen in line or will fall in line.  THAT'S HOW CULTS WORK.

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27 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

The out of nowhere decision to call for a debate combined with this weird press conference outside the Trump trial has me convinced that Joe's internal numbers match the external ones.

 

Biden has done a terrible job of consistently and constantly talking about all the shit he's unfucked from trump.

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4 minutes ago, immamac said:

Biden has done a terrible job of consistently and constantly talking about all the shit he's unfucked from trump.

i think there's room for improvement, but I think the biggest issue is that we live in a country that cares about vibes over facts.  How do you communicate a message to a person who has absolutely no interest in hearing it?

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11 minutes ago, immamac said:

Biden has done a terrible job of consistently and constantly talking about all the shit he's unfucked from trump.

Oh come on, that's ridiculous.  He's a professional politician and totally incapable of remaining silent when there's an opportunity to give himself a pat on the back. 

The challenge is that the media either a) isn't interested in repeating it or b) they are repeating it but the story of those accomplishments simply isn't that compelling (or both). 

This may be false hope but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that, as the election nears, all this money he's raised will be used to flood the airwaves with SOMETHING. 

Unfortunately, the truth is most of the media would far rather report on whatever imbecilic thing Trump has done that day because outrage sells.  

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The problem is ignorance. Half the country thinks we're in a recession. Half the country thinks unemployment is at a 50 year high. 

Saw where Trump leads people who don't follow politics at all by 26 points. There's your problem. 

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7 minutes ago, Red Five said:

The problem is ignorance. Half the country thinks we're in a recession. Half the country thinks unemployment is at a 50 year high. 

Saw where Trump leads people who don't follow politics at all by 26 points. There's your problem. 

Vibecession 

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6 minutes ago, Red Five said:

The problem is ignorance. Half the country thinks we're in a recession. Half the country thinks unemployment is at a 50 year high. 

Saw where Trump leads people who don't follow politics at all by 26 points. There's your problem. 

"Yeah, I mean Trump sucks but it's better than everything that's going on with Biden" - direct quote from a 20-something family member who was absolutely incapable of elaborating in any sort of intelligent way.  This is the median voter.

 

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30 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

i think there's room for improvement, but I think the biggest issue is that we live in a country that cares about vibes over facts. 

Exactly correct.  that is why Biden is the worst possible person -- he is the least persuasive and least charismatic person in the chief office since mass media.  He has no ability to move public opinion.  So I disagree that "it wouldn't matter" who was up there.  Bill Clinton would be winning this thing by 10 points.  Ronald Reagan would be winning this thing by 10 points.  

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and 90% of the country doesn't know the definition of "tariff" or "recession" or "socialism"  We're not bad, we're just lazy.  We had a great run for about 100 years because of our oceans and our reserve currency and military might.  We're descended from the dumbest fucking people in the world.  And then the smart ones attempt to cross our borders, we vilify them.  

We got complacent is all.  And started celebrating stupidity and ignorance instead of casting it aside.  All of us on this forum need to remember to get the fuck over ourselves, the rest of the country is not engaged.  It's not FoxNews, it's not a propaganda machine, it's not Soros, or a Mister Ronan Sinatra.  It's simply our station in time and place.  It's an illusion as to where you happen to be standing at that instant.  And we all remember the lesson of the "Great Man Theory" from middle school social studies.  That Washington or Lincoln or FDR were put there by nearly divine intervention to sole the nation's woes.  Later on, we learn that they were merely products of their times.  That it is almost mere coincidence to get out alive.  Late on, came a man.  With an even grander idea.  You are not wrong, you are not stupid, you have only been held back by the swamp/deep-state/immigrants.  And he will haunt us for decades.  

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24 minutes ago, Red Five said:

The problem is ignorance. Half the country thinks we're in a recession. Half the country thinks unemployment is at a 50 year high. 

Saw where Trump leads people who don't follow politics at all by 26 points. There's your problem. 

To be fair every economist and most institutional investors are wondering why the fuck we aren't in a recession and consumers are acting completely irrationally. 

Nearly every major indicator and trend of recession is flashing, but the American consumer is just powering through. 

And yes, I meant Biden is doing a shitty job of vibing with people I didn't see he's doing a bad overall job. He's doing a bad job at letting everyone know how much he's unfucked and how good of a job he's doing. 

Love it or not with Trump and COVID he was doing daily briefings. Biden gives like 1 live press conference a quarter or less. There is no Biden being a general badass coverage. 

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This is just my guess as to the difference between the data and consumer behavior and why we are getting so many mixed signals.  Again, just my guess, for the first time in history we have a huge group of people that actually more or less indifferent to the actual economy in the form of boomers with retirement income.  It's not that we haven't had this before, it's the amount of people with fixed incomes/retirement/etc.  Combine that with a labor shortage, making unemployment low and you get a very mixed bag.  The normal indicators are flashing, but the actual economy isn't reacting in the expected way because this is a unique situation, one not seen before.  In short, this is an unprecedented time economically.  

Eventually, something has to give, and it will, but prior economic history just really isn't applying to today's situation.  

 

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2 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

This is just my guess as to the difference between the data and consumer behavior and why we are getting so many mixed signals.  Again, just my guess, for the first time in history we have a huge group of people that actually more or less indifferent to the actual economy in the form of boomers with retirement income.  It's not that we haven't had this before, it's the amount of people with fixed incomes/retirement/etc.  Combine that with a labor shortage, making unemployment low and you get a very mixed bag.  The normal indicators are flashing, but the actual economy isn't reacting in the expected way because this is a unique situation, one not seen before.  In short, this is an unprecedented time economically.  

Eventually, something has to give, and it will, but prior economic history just really isn't applying to today's situation.  

 

Unemployment isn't actually that low. There is an enormous amount of discouraged workers that are omitted intentionally misleading the unemployment number. 

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3 minutes ago, immamac said:

Unemployment isn't actually that low. There is an enormous amount of discouraged workers that are omitted intentionally misleading the unemployment number. 

It's historically low by the data we can actually track.   No one can quantify discouraged workers.  Just because you can't get the job you necessarily want doesn't mean that there aren't jobs available.  I haven't seen anything on underemployment mentioned by anyone of late, but that doesn't mean it's not out there (of course it is to some degree).  

Sure everyone wants to the CEO right out of college, but someone has to be rank and file, and someone has to be the janitor.  At least some of that is a choice by people that are delusional as to where they are.  

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Just now, BamaATL said:

It's historically low by the data we can actually track.   No one can quantify discouraged workers.  Just because you can't get the job you necessarily want doesn't mean that there aren't jobs available.  I haven't seen anything on underemployment mentioned by anyone of late, but that doesn't mean it's not out there (of course it is to some degree).  

Sure everyone wants to the CEO right out of college, but someone has to be rank and file, and someone has to be the janitor.  At least some of that is a choice by people that are delusional as to where they are.  

The problem with this is it's bullshit. There's a ton of examples of companies not hiring qualified candidates for no reason. I've had experience with phantom job postings from the employer side (as the employer). There is actually a lot going on to cook the numbers. 

The number of people unemployed for longer than 26 weeks is also higher than normal or other reference periods in history. 

In short the economy in general is extremely fucking strange right now compared to any other recorded time of global economy. 

That doesn't mean it's bad, it's just hard to describe what the fuck is going on.

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We are so fucked in November. I’m sure the pollyannas will be along shortly to say that all the polling is wrong! Yeah well, we’re fucked. Biden fucked us by not bowing out and letting someone else take the reins in the primaries. 

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54 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

We are so fucked in November. I’m sure the pollyannas will be along shortly to say that all the polling is wrong! Yeah well, we’re fucked. Biden fucked us by not bowing out and letting someone else take the reins in the primaries. 

Yeah, that worked out soooooooooooo well the last time an incumbent bowed out in the primary. 

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Dotard has more baggage than American Airlines. A farm animal should be able to beat him. If any Democrat can't then there's something wrong with the Democratic party.

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1 hour ago, immamac said:

Love it or not with Trump and COVID he was doing daily briefings. Biden gives like 1 live press conference a quarter or less. There is no Biden being a general badass coverage

No person in history has craved attention and loved cameras as much as Trump. I’m surprised he didn’t, and still doesn’t, have multiple press briefings per day to tell everyone how great he is

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59 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

We are so fucked in November. I’m sure the pollyannas will be along shortly to say that all the polling is wrong! Yeah well, we’re fucked. Biden fucked us by not bowing out and letting someone else take the reins in the primaries. 

There was no secret bullet.  Biden is old, sure, but every other candidate has something that would have been their "thing" as well.  Hoping that rust belters suddenly become cool with the governor of California isn't nearly enough to give up the incumbency advantage.

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Just now, Pato del Muerto said:

No person in history has craved attention and loved cameras as much as Trump. I’m surprised he didn’t, and still doesn’t, have multiple press briefings per day to tell everyone how great he is

He basically does, what rock have you been living under? 

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4 minutes ago, immamac said:

He basically does, what rock have you been living under? 

Seriously, doesn't he word vomit all over the place with the media every day after court? 

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2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Seriously, doesn't he word vomit all over the place with the media every day after court? 

That’s just once per day. I guess he has rallies some evenings as well, so consider me admonished and corrected. 

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1 hour ago, SubliminalHorn said:

We are so fucked in November. I’m sure the pollyannas will be along shortly to say that all the polling is wrong! Yeah well, we’re fucked. Biden fucked us by not bowing out and letting someone else take the reins in the primaries. 

Let’s not get hysterical here-there’s a lot of ways this can play out that don’t point to a Trump victory.  

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12 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

There was no secret bullet.  Biden is old, sure, but every other candidate has something that would have been their "thing" as well.  Hoping that rust belters suddenly become cool with the governor of California isn't nearly enough to give up the incumbency advantage.

In 2020 I said Biden was the right choice upon nomination because he was the most certain of the candidates to win, and winning in 2020 was existential for the country.  I knew though at the time that it was a real concern for 2024 for all the reasons we discuss all the time of having Skeletor as your standard bearer.  I hoped for providence to intercede and remove Trump from public conscious some other way.  Since he didn't, yeah, we gotta roll with what we've got.  Newsome imo has a far worse likelihood of winning in a full blown campaign, let alone as a sudden last second substitute.

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1 hour ago, SubliminalHorn said:

We are so fucked in November. I’m sure the pollyannas will be along shortly to say that all the polling is wrong! Yeah well, we’re fucked. Biden fucked us by not bowing out and letting someone else take the reins in the primaries. 

Why would anyone expect the most powerful man in the world to do this?

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2 hours ago, BamaATL said:

This is just my guess as to the difference between the data and consumer behavior and why we are getting so many mixed signals.  Again, just my guess, for the first time in history we have a huge group of people that actually more or less indifferent to the actual economy in the form of boomers with retirement income.  It's not that we haven't had this before, it's the amount of people with fixed incomes/retirement/etc.  Combine that with a labor shortage, making unemployment low and you get a very mixed bag.  The normal indicators are flashing, but the actual economy isn't reacting in the expected way because this is a unique situation, one not seen before.  In short, this is an unprecedented time economically.  

Eventually, something has to give, and it will, but prior economic history just really isn't applying to today's situation.  

 

Yes. I won't do a whole economics post about this here because nobody likes them but I was always skeptical about a both a recession and subsquently the odds of a rate cut for the reasons you talked about, plus all the excess liquidity still bouncing around the system. Wealth inequality ironically also played a key role in keeping us out of a recession, which is also why the vibes are so bad. People feel the way they do about the economy now that they did in 2012 - they see the standard of living rising all around them but not in their own lives. That's the disconnect.

2 hours ago, immamac said:

Unemployment isn't actually that low. There is an enormous amount of discouraged workers that are omitted intentionally misleading the unemployment number. 

No.

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13 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

From your article:

"He's going into this thinking, 'I want to find a running mate I can turn things over to after four years but if that's not possible or doesn't happen then I'll run for re-election.' But he's not going to publicly make a one term pledge," another adviser told Politico.

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1 minute ago, Chuckie Finster said:

From your article:

"He's going into this thinking, 'I want to find a running mate I can turn things over to after four years but if that's not possible or doesn't happen then I'll run for re-election.' But he's not going to publicly make a one term pledge," another adviser told Politico.

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2 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

He decided to fuck us over?

You really think that was a serious option once he was the nominee? Was it ever mentioned again by the campaign or the candidate?

I find it hard to believe that anyone running for president would seriously consider serving only one term.

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1 minute ago, Chuckie Finster said:

From your article:

"He's going into this thinking, 'I want to find a running mate I can turn things over to after four years but if that's not possible or doesn't happen then I'll run for re-election.' But he's not going to publicly make a one term pledge," another adviser told Politico.

Yeah, most people assumed “if that’s not possible” meant “Trump as the 2024 GOP nominee”

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1 minute ago, Chuckie Finster said:

From your article:

"He's going into this thinking, 'I want to find a running mate I can turn things over to after four years but if that's not possible or doesn't happen then I'll run for re-election.' But he's not going to publicly make a one term pledge," another adviser told Politico.

So again, he fucked us over by not finding a running mate or someone he could groom to run this year? He and his campaign knew that his age was an issue even in 2020. And we’re surprised it’s a major issue this year? Posters here lament the fact that RBG didn’t retire so that Obama could replace her, but here’s Biden about to do the same fucking thing. 

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9 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

What happened to that narrative after he became the nominee?

no one with the will and ability to obtain the WH is going to let it go if they can get a second term. I bet it's a fucking amazing job.

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