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3 minutes ago, utee94 said:

McLaren really Ferrariing everything up here at the end.  What a year.

McLaren won Constructors a month ago and went on a bender.

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3 minutes ago, utee94 said:

For sure.  They've still completely Ferrarid this shit up.

I mean... Yeah... Except Ferrari is still lowering the bar...or raising it...

Posted
19 hours ago, beer said:

ok so both of them are cheating at cornering firce just this once or did they just decide to check extra hard this time? 

From what I've been reading, they've both been checked several times earlier this season and were never found to be under the limit.

Re: who gets checked post race, here's all I have ...

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Formula One Technical Checks carried out by the FIA

Other checks during qualifying:
After the cars have been weighed they are always subjected to a number of additional checks which are carried out using a flat surface onto which the cars are pushed. This surface has weighing scales built in and is used to routinely check all the bodywork dimensions listed below at the same time as the weighing procedure. The whole process, including weighing is normally carried out in around two minutes. 

Overall car width (Art.3.3)
Width ahead of the rear wheel centre line (Art.3.4)
Width behind the rear wheel centre line (Art.3.5)
Overall height (Art.3.6)
Front bodywork height (Art.3.7)
Height in front of the rear wheels (Art.3.8)
Height between the rear wheels (Art.3.9)
Height behind the rear wheel centre line (Art.3.10)
Rear wing blockage (Art.3.10)
Bodywork around the front wheels (Art.3.11)
Conformity of the 'flat bottom' (Art.3.12)
Thickness of the skid block (Art.3.13)
Skid block fasteners (Art.3.13)
Front bodywork overhang (Art.3.14)
Rear bodywork overhang (Art.3.14)
Flexibility of bodywork (Art.3.15)
Upper bodywork dimensions (Art.3.16)
A number of other checks are carried out at the same time as the weighing procedure and bodywork dimension check, amongst which are:

Driver's knee movement (Art.13.3)
Height of driver's head (Art 15.2.2)
Pedal positions (Art.15.4.2/3)
 
Post race checks:

After the race all classified cars are weighed and a number of checks, chosen from the above lists, are carried out on the first six cars finished the race. Additionally, after the race a number of random checks are also carried out.
 

 

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Also from the Autosport forum ...

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Car No. 4 RHS Front 8.88mm, RHS Rear 8.93mm
Car No.81 LHS Front 8.96mm, RHS Front 8.74mm, RHS Rear 8.90mm

For context, a hair is between 0.03mm and 0.12mm.

 

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Mclaren attempted to argue that the bumps and curbs caused the wear and therefore force majeure should apply (ergo these bumps and curbs apparently weren't on the circuit for anyone else...)

So yeah, they are pretty sour. Andrea Stella cancelled his interview for the night. 

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The Team argued that mitigating circumstances existed in that there was additional
and unexpected porpoising at this event, limited opportunity to test due to the weather
on Day 1, and shortened practice sessions. Further the Team submitted that the
degree of the breach was lower than prior breaches of this regulation in 2025.
The FIA argued that unfortunately there was no provision in the regulations or in
precedent for any penalty other than the usual penalty (i.e. disqualification).

The FIA
noted that it strongly held the view that the breach was unintentional and that there
was not deliberate attempt to circumvent the regulations.

 

 

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6 hours ago, wood said:

The Team argued that mitigating circumstances existed in that there was additional and unexpected porpoising at this event, limited opportunity to test due to the weather
on Day 1, and shortened practice sessions. Further the Team submitted that the degree of the breach was lower than prior breaches of this regulation in 2025.

It's a reasonable excuse. I don't think anyone has implied they were skirting the rules on purpose. They obviously started the race in compliance. It's F1: everyone is designing their cars right up to the limits; they just miscalculated the wear. But why why even put yourself in a position where it might be close at the end? Every other team seemingly was able to figure it out, none of whom have nearly as much to lose as them.

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4 hours ago, aggie08 said:

It's a reasonable excuse. I don't think anyone has implied they were skirting the rules on purpose. They obviously started the race in compliance. It's F1: everyone is designing their cars right up to the limits; they just miscalculated the wear. But why why even put yourself in a position where it might be close at the end? Every other team seemingly was able to figure it out, none of whom have nearly as much to lose as them.

Yeah I have no doubt it was unintended, but them's the rules. If the bumps don't work as an excuse at COTA, they aren't gonna work at a much smoother Vegas circuit. And yeah, they just pushed it a tiny bit too far, as you say. 

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17 minutes ago, VABuckeye said:

Ferrari got the same harsh penalty in a race last year.  Both cars DQ'd.

Yeah 2023 at COTA for too much skid block wear, and in China this year, one was underweight and the other had another skid block violation.

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McLaren having Norris start lifting and coating the last 3 or 4 laps pretty much guaranteed they were going to get checked you would think.

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Posted
13 hours ago, wood said:

From what I've been reading, they've both been checked several times earlier this season and were never found to be under the limit.

Re: who gets checked post race, here's all I have ...

 

 

13 hours ago, wood said:

Also from the Autosport forum ...

 

There was an article on the F1 reddit about the FIA finding a skirting of the rules by teams in Brazel related to the skid block being made of a material that compresses when heated to avoid skid wear and be able to run lower. Probably not a coincidence that right after the FIA catches this McLaren has both cars DQ'd for skid wear. 

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, wood said:

Yeah I have no doubt it was unintended, but them's the rules. If the bumps don't work as an excuse at COTA, they aren't gonna work at a much smoother Vegas circuit. And yeah, they just pushed it a tiny bit too far, as you say. 

Happened to Schumacher about 30 years, or so, ago. 

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Posted (edited)
27 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

 

There was an article on the F1 reddit about the FIA finding a skirting of the rules by teams in Brazel related to the skid block being made of a material that compresses when heated to avoid skid wear and be able to run lower. Probably not a coincidence that right after the FIA catches this McLaren has both cars DQ'd for skid wear. 

Yeah that was some pretty ingenious stuff. These F1 engineers ....

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I'm kinda thinking that may have been a large part of McLaren's advantage this season, just running lower than everyone else.

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