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Sounds like we can expect a deal for Benn shortly. Probably not much more than what he was making, on a shorter term. I'd also be very surprised if Granlund weren't retained.

Which starts the tough questions. Did Cody Ceci do enough? He was a necessary addition to the D (as a righty) with Heiskenen out, but what's his upper limit? Does Dallas keep both him and Nils Lundquist? Brendan Smith acquitted himself decently, but what's his market?

 

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10 minutes ago, GoldAppleCorps said:

Sounds like we can expect a deal for Benn shortly. Probably not much more than what he was making, on a shorter term

He needs to be making much less, and spending his time on the third line with Dutch 

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1 hour ago, C-Man said:

I like Dutch. He got $18M for four years.

Solid value for production, at least for probably next 2 years and likely 3. Might be rough by year 4.   Despite not really showing up in the playoffs at the level we needed the last 2 years, he took WELL under market to play here (while obviously still getting paid by Nashville).  All things being equal, I'm glad that was rewarded that as it's the right way to run a franchise but also glad we didn't pay more than we did.  I'm sure someone would have offered 4 at $5MM+.

So are we moving Marchment now?  Numbers don't really work.

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8 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

He needs to be making much less, and spending his time on the third line with Dutch 

Duchene had 82 points last year.  He's got a lot more left in the tank compared to Benn.

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Sounds like we can expect a deal for Benn shortly. Probably not much more than what he was making, on a shorter term. I'd also be very surprised if Granlund weren't retained.
Which starts the tough questions. Did Cody Ceci do enough? He was a necessary addition to the D (as a righty) with Heiskenen out, but what's his upper limit? Does Dallas keep both him and Nils Lundquist? Brendan Smith acquitted himself decently, but what's his market?
 

Didn’t Benn make like $7M last season? He won’t get anywhere close to that in his new deal.
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15 minutes ago, C-Man said:


Didn’t Benn make like $7M last season? He won’t get anywhere close to that in his new deal.

He made $9.5.  I fully expect Benn deal to get done last for whatever is left or for just whatever vet minimum is.

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49 minutes ago, GoldAppleCorps said:

 I'd also be very surprised if Granlund weren't retained.

I would be shocked if Grandlund is retained unless they are moving both Marchment and Robo.  There is no $$.  

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16 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

If Benn gets more that $3M-$5M/year then Nill fucked up. I suspect he'll take a considerable pay cut to remain with the team

I will be SHOCKED if Benn gets more than $2MM.   Again, we have no $$$.  I think people are forgetting Mikko is a $12MM cap hit next year and we were well over the cap in the playoffs once Seguin and Heiskanen returned.  I think we currently have like $500K of cap space. You basically have to move some portion of Marchment/Robo/Lyubush/Dumba (buyout?).

Duchene signing announced today means that Nill has a plan, because otherwise, we don't have cap space to fill a roster.   

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I thought MM had his best year in Dallas, because he was pretty good the first half of the season when he avoided doing stupid shit.  Then he turned into the same old unproductive shithead.

I'm content with 2 low picks as the return. 

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8 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

I thought MM had his best year in Dallas, because he was pretty good the first half of the season when he avoided doing stupid shit.  Then he turned into the same old unproductive shithead.

I'm content with 2 low picks as the return. 

Yep, had to move salary and get what you can.  He hurt his regular season goodwill here for sure with constant bad penalties (and not much production) in the playoffs.

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Y'all that are better versed on what is happening down in Austin, is there anyone else that might make the jump? Maybe there's another Finn blue liner.  Is there anyone else that might be able to get the ice time instead of hiring an aging vet that we're going to hate by December 

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I'm surprised by the size and length of the Duchene contract. He's still productive and a good player, and important locker room guy and great interview on the Ticket, but that's a big contract.

Marchment just made too many penalties at important times. I did like his toughness. Had to get rid of somebody for contract space.

Benn better not get much. He's done physically and a liability on the ice.

Robertson was hugely disappointing, but maybe the injury was part of it.

Players aren't getting Wyatt the puck enough.

As said earlier, the Stars need more speed and toughness.  Little Stanky gave them speed which helped a bit. Too bad he's gone, but I get it. He was getting abused on the ice.

I'm befuddled by DeBoer's implosion. I remember during the season the Ticket accouncers asked Duchene about DeBoer and he said the guy just tells the players like it is without any emotion or getting personal. He hinted that he does ride the players pretty hard.  Maybe that got old.

Whoever they bring in better get more out of Rattanen.  Besides that little Hall of Fame quality flurry he had in a short time during the play-offs, he's underwhelmed.

Edit: heard yesterday’s Ticket segment with Bob Sturm on the Stars. Sturm nailed it. He said he felt Marchment would get traded. He also said Robertson would only get traded if the offer was good, because he’s young and a pretty big scorer whose full potential is still not clear. 

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11 hours ago, Firemans4Horn said:

He’s an absolute nobody in the playoffs. A couple picks in return is decent. Would prefer Nill not to use our minuscule cap room on absolute shit defenders like he has the last couple years (Suter, Dumba, Lybushkin)

you will get a shitty defensemen and you will like it!    

if we don't use cap room on one we will trade away a first round pick for one 

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4 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

I'm surprised by the size and length of the Duchene contract. He's still productive and a good player, and important locker room guy and great interview on the Ticket, but that's a big contract.

Benn better not get much. He's done physically and a liability on the ice.

Robertson was hugely disappointing, but maybe the injury was part of it.

Players aren't getting Wyatt the puck enough.

Dutch's contract is a bargain if he continues to put up 80+ points. He's got to deliver something in the playoffs though.

Benn is at the stage of his career where he's a glue guy, a leader, and that's it. He's still a monster in the faceoff dot, which should not be discounted, but it's time for him to embrace the Mike Keane/Guy Carbonneau-with-the-Stars years. Anything you get out of him offensively moving forward is icing on the cake.

Robertson is who he is. Great regular season scorer, not so much in the postseason unless we're on a power play. I'm not advocating a trade for the sake of a trade but if somebody is willing to offer you value for him, I'd have him on the first bus out of town.

Still don't know what Wyatt's problem was this postseason but he was just terrible. Never heard of any "hidden" injury or anything like that.

Regarding the coach, I'll be shocked if it's anybody other than the Texas Stars coach getting a call-up at this point. None of the retread NHL names excite me. The University of Denver guy has a lot of people excited but he just signed an extension there so you'd have to pay a buyout of some sort.

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The average for the salary cap next season is $4.15M, so we're paying Dutchy just barely over average and he was a top 100 player last season.

I expect Benn to take somewhere around $3M as his production and leadership warrant at least that. That "frees" up $6.5M for someone else.  I would expect us to re-sign Granlund and Ceci, but as far as Dadonov, Blackwell, and Smith I no idea what Nill might do. I bet we sign Lundkvist and Bourque, who are both RFA's, maybe to a bridge deal as we have a ton of cap space next season. Unless we can find a trade partner I'm afraid Dumba may be ours at least one more season. We shall see.

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12 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

The average for the salary cap next season is $4.15M, so we're paying Dutchy just barely over average and he was a top 100 player last season.

I expect Benn to take somewhere around $3M as his production and leadership warrant at least that. That "frees" up $6.5M for someone else.  I would expect us to re-sign Granlund and Ceci, but as far as Dadonov, Blackwell, and Smith I no idea what Nill might do. I bet we sign Lundkvist and Bourque, who are both RFA's, maybe to a bridge deal as we have a ton of cap space next season. Unless we can find a trade partner I'm afraid Dumba may be ours at least one more season. We shall see.

Nobody will do us the favor of taking Dumba off our hands. That was a terrible signing.

Nill seems to turn over that fourth line every year and every year they seem to work out pretty well.

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3 hours ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

I bet we sign Lundkvist and Bourque, who are both RFA's, maybe to a bridge deal as we have a ton of cap space next season.

 

1 hour ago, Bill Brasky said:

Bourque signed a one year extension - I'm cool with this 

Lundqvist signed a one year extension - I guess Nil is pot-committed on this one eventually turning out right 

Season 4 Success GIF by The Office

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4 hours ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

I expect Benn to take somewhere around $3M as his production and leadership warrant at least that. That "frees" up $6.5M for someone else.

Everyone forgets the Benn money was already spent on Mikko.  We were WAY over the cap once fully healthy in the playoffs.  Benn will be less than 3.   Also, I don't see how we sign Granlund at this point.  He will want (and likely get) $5MM+.  

Also, not you but above, anyone complaining about term of the Duchene contract needs to focus on the AAV as it's great value.  82 points last year.  He could have probably gotten 13 or 14 for a 2 year deal somewhere else.   I bet he could have gotten 5+ AAV on a 4 year deal somewhere else.   On a fringe playoff team or a young team that needs a veteran presence to take the next step, he would have been paid accordingly.  He wanted to stay in Dallas and compete, so it's a deal that works for both sides.  Worst case scenario we can buy him out of year 4 if productivity drops off.  Great interview yesterday on the Ticket yesterday FYI.  Highly recommend on the Sportsday App.

I'm guessing absent some huge move (a Robo offer we can't refuse), next piece of work is trying to see if anyone will take Dumba if we throw in a pick we got for Marchment yesterday, and if not, buying that out.  That was a terrible signing last summer (and we all thought that was likely the case at the time).  Can't win em all.

I think someone asked if any young prospects are expected to make the jump, I think there is chatter Hryckowian might be next man up to take a roster spot.

 

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1 hour ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

Seguin needs to play 82 games and score more than Duchene or that $9.85M on the books is gonna look super gross next season.

Oh it's gross.  I mean it all evens out as he was underpaid for a while but tail end of big contracts always suck.  I'll say, I'm reasonably impressed how much he has left after major injuries.  He came back and played well way ahead of schedule. He's working his ass off at least and not just collecting a paycheck.  

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Whoever they bring in better get more out of Rattanen.  Besides that little Hall of Fame quality flurry he had in a short time during the play-offs, he's underwhelmed.


Not sure why you guys don't want to listen to me about Mikko. He's an elite scorer, but he scores in bunches and then disappears for days or weeks at a time. And he may be a huge human, but he's Charmin soft. There's a reason Landy always fought his fights. Better figure out who is going to protect him.

And it's Mikko Rantanen.

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