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6 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Bobby Layne should be the 2nd QB. 3 time all-swc and 2x All-American. College and NFL HOF 

That's not what was asked. We've (general we as in Surly) have had that argument before. He was asking why Colt hasn't been mentioned.

This list is subjective. You are welcome to create your own as well rather than arguing with me on every post. 

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4 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

That's not what was asked. We've (general we as in Surly) have had that argument before. He was asking why Colt hasn't been mentioned.

This list is subjective. You are welcome to create your own as well rather than arguing with me on every post. 

Liked your list. I would keep it the same just replace Layne with Street. Ricky, Earl, and VY are locks. 

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13 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

You're trying so hard to discredit how good Earl was.

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He's saying that Earl could have easily gotten stuck playing cornerback but got an opportunity to play safety and the rest is history. 

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7 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

Edit - went to count. As of today there are 7 Longhorn DBs in the NFL. 9 OSU and 6 LSU.

Suck it LSU and OSU

Based on the link you posted, there are 9 (if we include Schooler at his assigned position and not as a STer)

Thompson, Barron, Jones, Locke, Schooler, Boyd, Mukuba, Elliott, and Jamison.

I'm also counting 12 for both LSU and Ohio State.

Not sure why yours are off from mine... username checks out? Haha

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30 minutes ago, MuellerHorn said:

Based on the link you posted, there are 9 (if we include Schooler at his assigned position and not as a STer)

Thompson, Barron, Jones, Locke, Schooler, Boyd, Mukuba, Elliott, and Jamison.

I'm also counting 12 for both LSU and Ohio State.

Not sure why yours are off from mine... username checks out? Haha

I did it quickly prior to a meeting with certainty that Surly would check my work. So, thanks! 😘

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8 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Here's a thing:  which of the guys from many decades past could excel at Texas now?

I'm not sure Street or Nobis could.  I'm pretty damn sure Earl could.

The cream of the crop always rises to the top. Because at high levels and all time great levels the mental side is more important than physical. Plus you just don’t drop a player in from 1950 to 2022. That’s the stupid thing about the argument you’re trying to make. If they were in this era they’d have all the same access as athletes now days and vice versa if you dropped a modern athlete in the 50s. 
 

Fwiw Vince wouldn’t have been a player at Texas for DKR in the 60s

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1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

Here's a thing:  which of the guys from many decades past could excel at Texas now?

I'm not sure Street or Nobis could.  I'm pretty damn sure Earl could.

The training, the techniques, and the game itself has changed so much. You can only judge a player’s greatness by how he dominated his peers. Not even sure Earl would be a RB at Texas today. That doesn’t make him any less of a legend though 

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5 hours ago, Redneck Mutha said:

I can get on board. And according to wiki, he was 4x All-SWC. In both football and baseball.

Street wasn't half bad in baseball.  29-8 record as a pitcher, all SWC and team MVP 3 years in a row.  Also threw a no hitter...which happened to also be a perfect game.  I believe the only one in Texas baseball history.

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7 hours ago, landman said:

Street wasn't half bad in baseball.  29-8 record as a pitcher, all SWC and team MVP 3 years in a row.  Also threw a no hitter...which happened to also be a perfect game.  I believe the only one in Texas baseball history.

The streets are definitely the first family of Texas athletics, yes?

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14 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Thinking about this more, we have had a lot of great DBs over the years but none are worthy of a Mt Rushmore especially when guys like VY, Ricky, Earl, Nobis, Street, and Layne exist. 

I don't disagree in the broad strokes at all. However, watch the video bellow and think about this question. What was the strength of Texas last year? Who was the best player for the strength of the team and likely the most important? What about 2009? What about 4th and 2

 

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15 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Thinking about this more, we have had a lot of great DBs over the years but none are worthy of a Mt Rushmore especially when guys like VY, Ricky, Earl, Nobis, Street, and Layne exist. 

I think that is just where the eyes go. Easy to see the contributions of QBs and RBs. I didnt see Nobis, but that was a time when MLB was a premium position (3 yards and a cloud of dust was the preferred offense). Nobody has mentioned Casey Hampton.  The guy had 119 tackles (78 solo), 3.5 sacks, 18 TFLs, and 22 QB pressure in 2000. Just to put that 2000 season in context, DJ had 130 tackles and 73 solo in his final year at Texas. In 1999 Hampton had 101 tackles (50 solo), 3 sacks, 21 TFLs, and 24 QB pressures. That is just insane from a NT. Its hard to argue any Longhorn has ever played their position to higher standard than that, but that isnt a position that gets a lot of hype. I do not think we will ever see a DT record 100 tackles ever again, let alone do it twice. 

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The one aspect of these Mt. Rushmore conversations that often times get lost is not  just the physical greatness of the player, but the leadership of that player as well as part they played in carrying whatever team to greatness.

Example,  no one questions the physical tools that Vince was blessed with and the manner that he often times completely outclassed the competition, even the very best of college football at that time.  There has to be a multiplier to his greatness factor when we remember he did this in a Greg Davis offense and had to overcome Mack's neurosis as he changed a program from one that had truly shit on its shelf in some big moments under Mack (specifically playing OU ) into a program that continually faced any challenge and made the plays needed to pull out games that before would have been losses such as Kansas or Oklahoma State, beat THE Ohio State at Columbus,  Michigan in the Rose Bowl, and finally USC for the national title.

That is one reason why I mentioned Nobis.  The old timers I know who saw him played talked more about Tommy's leadership and toughness than his physical ability which was pretty name impressive when you consider  he was a 3x all conference player in an era where freshmen didn't play varsity ball, a 2x AA, and he started both ways for three seasons. 

He was a key piece to the Horns winning the National Title in 1963, beating Navy and Staubach in the Cotton Bowl that year, as well as beating top ranked Bama and Namath in 1965.  

The guy averaged 20 tackles a game at linebacker while playing guard.  Fuck, load management or monitoring work rate. 

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55 minutes ago, PGFrog said:

The one aspect of these Mt. Rushmore conversations that often times get lost is not  just the physical greatness of the player, but the leadership of that player as well as part they played in carrying whatever team to greatness.

Example,  no one questions the physical tools that Vince was blessed with and the manner that he often times completely outclassed the competition, even the very best of college football at that time.  There has to be a multiplier to his greatness factor when we remember he did this in a Greg Davis offense and had to overcome Mack's neurosis as he changed a program from one that had truly shit on its shelf in some big moments under Mack (specifically playing OU ) into a program that continually faced any challenge and made the plays needed to pull out games that before would have been losses such as Kansas or Oklahoma State, beat THE Ohio State at Columbus,  Michigan in the Rose Bowl, and finally USC for the national title.

That is one reason why I mentioned Nobis.  The old timers I know who saw him played talked more about Tommy's leadership and toughness than his physical ability which was pretty name impressive when you consider  he was a 3x all conference player in an era where freshmen didn't play varsity ball, a 2x AA, and he started both ways for three seasons. 

He was a key piece to the Horns winning the National Title in 1963, beating Navy and Staubach in the Cotton Bowl that year, as well as beating top ranked Bama and Namath in 1965.  

The guy averaged 20 tackles a game at linebacker while playing guard.  Fuck, load management or monitoring work rate. 

Nobis was already the best player on the team as a sophomore in 1963.

This was a team that featured Scott Appleton, the Outland Trophy winner, UPI Lineman of the Year and a Unanimous All-American at defensive tackle. Royal gave an interview in which he said Nobis would stuff Appleton in one-on-one drills during practice. 

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10 hours ago, Rimbo said:

(Couldn't find Texas highlights for Nobis, so I went pro.)

Tommy Nobis was the first pick in the 1966 NFL draft going to the first year expansion team Atlanta Falcons. He toiled (and toiled is the right word) for 11 years leading the defense on immemorable Atlanta teams.  He’s got to be on that list.

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One thing with DBs is that if they play early they get exposed decently often.  Jahdae was great as a soph then struggled late as a junior once he got dinged up then was outstanding to cap his career as a senior.  He had limited action as a frosh so you didn’t see his lack of maturity exposed that year.  He was the most important and likely most impactful player we had on defense this year.  He was incredibly versatile.

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My four years at Texas saw the '61-'64 teams go 40-3-1. That record was made possible by the man I still refer to as Saint Darrell, and there is only a very small tip of my tongue in cheek when I call him that.

Tommy Nobis was hands down the best football player I saw, before, during, and after that time.

The only real comparison Texas has had since then is Earl Campbell. He never got to show off his complete suite of prowess in college, altough he was in HS probably the best LB in the state as well as nest RB... I would venture to say he would likely have been the best LB in college, too, if the game hadn't changed to unlimited substitution.

There are plenty of arguments for Players Mount Rushmore, but the one name you absolutely cannot leave off is Tommy Nobis.

 

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45 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

One thing with DBs is that if they play early they get exposed decently often.  Jahdae was great as a soph then struggled late as a junior once he got dinged up then was outstanding to cap his career as a senior.  He had limited action as a frosh so you didn’t see his lack of maturity exposed that year.  He was the most important and likely most impactful player we had on defense this year.  He was incredibly versatile.

I was going to make a similar point. I would say game to game no other single player had a broader positive impact on the Texas football team in 2024.

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8 hours ago, Codaxx said:

I think that is just where the eyes go. Easy to see the contributions of QBs and RBs. I didnt see Nobis, but that was a time when MLB was a premium position (3 yards and a cloud of dust was the preferred offense). Nobody has mentioned Casey Hampton.  The guy had 119 tackles (78 solo), 3.5 sacks, 18 TFLs, and 22 QB pressure in 2000. Just to put that 2000 season in context, DJ had 130 tackles and 73 solo in his final year at Texas. In 1999 Hampton had 101 tackles (50 solo), 3 sacks, 21 TFLs, and 24 QB pressures. That is just insane from a NT. Its hard to argue any Longhorn has ever played their position to higher standard than that, but that isnt a position that gets a lot of hype. I do not think we will ever see a DT record 100 tackles ever again, let alone do it twice. 

Iceman beat me to it, but he and I discussed him last page. Try and keep up! 

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On 6/11/2025 at 4:33 PM, jimmyjazz said:

Here's a thing:  which of the guys from many decades past could excel at Texas now?

I'm not sure Street or Nobis could.  I'm pretty damn sure Earl could.

You sure about that?  Now?  Have you even SEEN Earl try to walk around lately????

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Posted (edited)
18 minutes ago, utee94 said:

You sure about that?  Now?  Have you even SEEN Earl try to walk around lately????

I've always found those types of discussions rather pointless personally. Would Mario Andretti and Jackie Stewart dominate F1 today with the wild changes in cars and rules? How would they compare to Louis Hamilton and Max Verstappen? Would they be able to drive the cars as well, not at the start no, but could they learn, likely. Had they grown up with them... well now we're off in hypothetical hell.

Both pairs of men would flounder at first if tossed into the cars of the other pair, all else being equal. Does not alter the all time greatness of any of them. 

 

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My point regarding Earl was not to suggest every player should be judged against their modern counterparts.  It was merely to point out that 20-YO Earl could probably play for this era's UT squad.  That's not something you can say for a lot of guys, even the best of their era.  I wasn't trying to diminish standouts of their time; far from it, I am completely on board with judging players against their peers.

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2 hours ago, Tex Long said:

My four years at Texas saw the '61-'64 teams go 40-3-1. That record was made possible by the man I still refer to as Saint Darrell, and there is only a very small tip of my tongue in cheek when I call him that.

Tommy Nobis was hands down the best football player I saw, before, during, and after that time.

The only real comparison Texas has had since then is Earl Campbell. He never got to show off his complete suite of prowess in college, altough he was in HS probably the best LB in the state as well as nest RB... I would venture to say he would likely have been the best LB in college, too, if the game hadn't changed to unlimited substitution.

There are plenty of arguments for Players Mount Rushmore, but the one name you absolutely cannot leave off is Tommy Nobis.

 

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Didn’t know ArmyBrat’s great grandson posted here…

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13 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

My point regarding Earl was not to suggest every player should be judged against their modern counterparts.  It was merely to point out that 20-YO Earl could probably play for this era's UT squad.  That's not something you can say for a lot of guys, even the best of their era.  I wasn't trying to diminish standouts of their time; far from it, I am completely on board with judging players against their peers.

The best will always rise to the top of any era because if they were in that era and had same access their mental side is what takes over and elevates them to the level they got. Talent alone doesn't get you there....

 

The whole if player x played in this era he wouldn't be good talk is so stupid.

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23 hours ago, Codaxx said:

I think that is just where the eyes go. Easy to see the contributions of QBs and RBs. I didnt see Nobis, but that was a time when MLB was a premium position (3 yards and a cloud of dust was the preferred offense). Nobody has mentioned Casey Hampton.  The guy had 119 tackles (78 solo), 3.5 sacks, 18 TFLs, and 22 QB pressure in 2000. Just to put that 2000 season in context, DJ had 130 tackles and 73 solo in his final year at Texas. In 1999 Hampton had 101 tackles (50 solo), 3 sacks, 21 TFLs, and 24 QB pressures. That is just insane from a NT. Its hard to argue any Longhorn has ever played their position to higher standard than that, but that isnt a position that gets a lot of hype. I do not think we will ever see a DT record 100 tackles ever again, let alone do it twice. 

Not really I just think that while we've had some really good to great defense players none have been at the level of a Nobis in terms of our programs history. Think about it from a historical standpoint for NFL draft....he was a LB taken number 1 overall making him the second LB to ever be selected there following Chuck Bednarik who played C and LB. Since Nobis only two other linebackers have been selected number 1. 


1949 - Chuck Bednarik(C/LB)
1966 - Tommy Nobis
1979 - Tom Cousineau
1988 - Aundrey Bruce

Posted
53 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Not really I just think that while we've had some really good to great defense players none have been at the level of a Nobis in terms of our programs history. Think about it from a historical standpoint for NFL draft....he was a LB taken number 1 overall making him the second LB to ever be selected there following Chuck Bednarik who played C and LB. Since Nobis only two other linebackers have been selected number 1. 


1949 - Chuck Bednarik(C/LB)
1966 - Tommy Nobis
1979 - Tom Cousineau
1988 - Aundrey Bruce

Bruce was OLB/DE guy in a terrible draft. ILBs are an afterthought now, unless they add some blitzing/pass rush component. Positional value there has been diminished alongside of RB. The game has just changed

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5 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Bruce was OLB/DE guy in a terrible draft. ILBs are an afterthought now, unless they add some blitzing/pass rush component. Positional value there has been diminished alongside of RB. The game has just changed

Yeah, RBs, no matter how good, average 2.5 years in the NFL. Makes it financially unsound to invest big no matter the talent level. Unless they're really good at catching passes it's not worth the risk. 

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1 minute ago, BurntEyes said:

Yeah, RBs, no matter how good, average 2.5 years in the NFL. Makes it financially unsound to invest big no matter the talent level. Unless they're really good at catching passes it's not worth the risk. 

NFL just became a passing league. Defenses preferring to run more 2 high, it may be swinging back. Either way the difference between 1970s and 2020 is night and day. 

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57 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Bruce was OLB/DE guy in a terrible draft. ILBs are an afterthought now, unless they add some blitzing/pass rush component. Positional value there has been diminished alongside of RB. The game has just changed

So that's your take, positional value. So even you justifying Bruce as OLB/DE guy just shows how good Nobis was to be one of 3 taken number 1 overall. Position value has nothing to do with it. He was that good.

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