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There is a battle in Kherson. Maybe friendly fire.
Zeks against the Russian Guard at the auto-parks?

📍 The Ukrainian flag is raised above the church in the village of Shchurove. It should be understood that the actual return to control took place earlier, and now the village has finally matured to be published by the fighters

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Only Belarus, Russia, Nicaragua, Cuba, North Korea, Syria and Eritrea spoke against Zelenskyy's video address to the UN.  Only 6 other countries willing to go on the record in full support of Russia.

That’s fucking humiliating.  

And it’s hard to follow somewhat, but there are a lot of Russians on social media bitching about Putin being publicly humiliated by China’s and India’s leaders.  And many seem to be pissed at Putin, not helped that Putin’s mouthpieces have been playing up the war going well for 6 months and then all of the sudden “oh yeah, Ukraine has mounted multiple counteroffensives and is threatening Russia in multiple areas and so Russia is repositioning their forces.”

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21 hours ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

He was just love and said the tone around Russia and especially Moscow (where he is) has changed since the last week. From "everything is fine" to "who is at fault". He anticipates major happenings in the next couple weeks. 

Nothing different than we know here, but interesting from the point of view of inside the bubble. 

The Inside Russia YouTuber is an interesting guy. I’ve listened to him on and off since February.  He’s in his 40s or early 50s and has talked about the breakup of the Soviet Union.   The invasion really screwed up his business and friendships - he lived in the US for a while (and still wears America shirts on his podcasts) and has friends in Ukraine.   He’s said in a lot of his shows that he doesn’t understand what is going on and just wants things back to the way they were  a criticism of the war, yet not  

He is clearly riding an extremely fine line between getting jailed and being free, and when he plays the “I can’t say it, but you know what I mean” game, I cringe a little because I expect his show to abruptly end after that.

I haven’t watched his latest shows, but from the YouTube titles, I’m assuming he’s playing with fire.

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1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

Only Belarus, Russia, Nicaragua, Cuba, North Korea, Syria and Eritrea spoke against Zelenskyy's video address to the UN.  Only 6 other countries willing to go on the record in full support of Russia.

Those were more than enough to put the hurt on Colorado until the Wolverines fought back.

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2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

The Inside Russia YouTuber is an interesting guy. I’ve listened to him on and off since February.  He’s in his 40s or early 50s and has talked about the breakup of the Soviet Union.   The invasion really screwed up his business and friendships - he lived in the US for a while (and still wears America shirts on his podcasts) and has friends in Ukraine.   He’s said in a lot of his shows that he doesn’t understand what is going on and just wants things back to the way they were  a criticism of the war, yet not  

He is clearly riding an extremely fine line between getting jailed and being free, and when he plays the “I can’t say it, but you know what I mean” game, I cringe a little because I expect his show to abruptly end after that.

I haven’t watched his latest shows, but from the YouTube titles, I’m assuming he’s playing with fire.

His last stream was the most damning one. "What the Fudge" was used a lot. Even commented on how weak Putin looked in the public discussions within the summit with Xi. 

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Three new stations, six new Poseidon "birds" - and this is the second batch that you and I are handing over to our Armed Forces. Airborne assault troops have already received the first. No less cool guys get this one. Who were very happy with the drones. Because they know that thanks to them, the counterattack will be much more effective.

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How the mighty have fallen, if Russia can’t help Armenia.  There’s been some Russias on social media talking about this is another sign of weakness, that Russia can’t put a lid on things in their backyard.

Makes me wonder if Georgia not willing to fight because the West/NATO asked them to stay cool for now, is a sign that they are expecting things to change in Russia, or they plan on forcing Russia to vacate after Ukraine is resolved.

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3 hours ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

His last stream was the most damning one. "What the Fudge" was used a lot. Even commented on how weak Putin looked in the public discussions within the summit with Xi. 

Listening to it while I have the game muted, yeah this is surprising.  And I’m really surprised he called out Putin for looking weak, and that he thinks something is going to happen in the near-term.  He’s been frustrated before, but seemed to always pull back on the criticism.  

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37 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

Wouldn't surprise me if Russians had occasionally driven around waving a Ukrainian flag just to see who'd wave.

During the Civil War, many backwoods parts of the South stayed pro-Union even if they couldn't do much about it. I read about a Union cavalry patrol finally riding through an eerily deserted part of the Mississippi piney woods, thinking they'd be greeted but nobody came out. Turns out that Confederate patrols had been going through the same area wearing blue coats, looking for men to conscript.

Ain't nothin new.

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Wouldn't surprise me if Russians had occasionally driven around waving a Ukrainian flag just to see who'd wave.
During the Civil War, many backwoods parts of the South stayed pro-Union even if they couldn't do much about it. I read about a Union cavalry patrol finally riding through an eerily deserted part of the Mississippi piney woods, thinking they'd be greeted but nobody came out. Turns out that Confederate patrols had been going through the same area wearing blue coats, looking for men to conscript.
Ain't nothin new.

This sound pussy as fuck. Fuck the confederacy.
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We invade and treat Putin like fucking bin Laden or Hussein and the locals topple all their stupid shit down? That would be a good start.

China ain’t doing shit, this shit has sobered them. The world will turn on your ass if you behave like a fucking idiot.

USA BITCHES! Never side with dictators!!!
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I think there is probably a 50/50 chance that Putin tries to use nukes before he is deposed.  I also figure it’s probably 50/50 that whoever is responsible for actually doing it follows his orders.  I guess that means I figure there’s about a 25% chance that the world goes up in flames before this is over.   I could be a little off on my calculations though, so say maybe 20% to 30%.

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8 hours ago, texas08 said:


This sound pussy as fuck. Fuck the confederacy.

Yep, bunch of loser assholes who use their “daughters” for legitimacy.   Sound familiar?  And…

DEAD MAN'S HOLE.Dead Man's Hole, located south of Marble Falls in southern Burnet County, is a deep, well-like hole probably caused by gas pressure. It was discovered in 1821 by entomologist Ferdinand Lueders while he was in the area to study night-flying insects. The cave achieved notoriety during the Civil War as a dumping place for the bodies of Union sympathizers. The remains of several bodies were recovered from the cave in the late 1860s, but the presence of gas prevented extensive exploration.

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Thought this was interesting, about Russian use of Iranian drones. I don’t know that we’re going to give a lot of help- I’m sure we don’t want Iran to know what we have as a counter. 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/russias-use-of-iranian-kamikaze-drones-creates-new-dangers-for-ukrainian-troops-11663415140

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Russia has inflicted serious damage on Ukrainian forces with recently introduced Iranian drones, in its first wide-scale deployment of a foreign weapons system since the war began, Ukrainian commanders say.

Over the past week, Shahed-136 delta-wing drones, repainted in Russian colors and rebranded as Geranium 2, started appearing over Ukrainian armor and artillery positions in the northeastern Kharkiv region, said Col. Rodion Kulagin, commander of artillery of Ukraine’s 92nd Mechanized Brigade.

In his brigade’s operational area alone, the Iranian drones—which usually fly in pairs and then slam into their targets—have destroyed two 152-mm self-propelled howitzers, two 122-mm self-propelled howitzers, as well as two BTR armored infantry vehicles, he said.

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Before the current wide-scale use of the Shaheds, Russia carried out a test last month, striking a U.S.-supplied M777 155-mm towed howitzer with the drone, Col. Kulagin said. Another Iranian drone malfunctioned and was recovered, he said.

So far, the Iranian drones seem to have been mostly deployed in the Kharkiv region, where the 92nd Brigade and other Ukrainian forces carried out a major offensive this month, retaking some 8,500 square kilometers, or roughly 3,300 square miles, of land occupied by Russia and seizing or destroying hundreds of Russian tanks, artillery pieces and armored carriers.

“In other areas, the Russians have overwhelming artillery firepower, and they manage with that. Here, they no longer have that artillery advantage, and so they have started to resort to these drones,” Col. Kulagin said.

Independent experts who examined photographs of recent drone wreckage from the Kharkiv region say that it appears to be Shahed-136, the latest evolution of Tehran’s delta-wing design.

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Scott Crino, founder and chief executive of Red Six Solutions LLC, a strategic consulting firm, said the Shahed-136 could provide Russia with a “potent counterweight” to the high-tech weapons systems, such as Himars missile launchers, that the U.S. has provided to Ukraine.

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Ukrainian servicemen repair a captured Russian tank in the Kharkiv region.PHOTO: OLEG PETRASYUK/SHUTTERSTOCK

“The presence of Shahed-136 in Ukraine war is undoubtedly changing the operational plans of Kyiv,” he said. “The sheer size of Ukraine battlefield makes it hard to defend against the Shahed-136.”

Mr. Crino said the Shahed-136 can be used with great effect with one targeting a radar system and the second one hitting artillery pieces. Iran also has antijamming systems that can make it hard for Ukrainian forces to counter, he said. “Once a Shahed locks onto target, it will be hard to stop,” he said.

Russia’s use of Shahed-136 drones in Ukraine represents the most challenging expansion of Tehran’s arsenal beyond the Middle East, where Iran has successfully used its unmanned aerial vehicles to pressure America and its allies in the region. It also highlights the deficiencies in Russia’s own drone program, which hasn’t been able to match the firepower of armed UAVs deployed by Ukraine.

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Israel and the West have accused Iran and its proxies of flying armed drones to attack Saudi Arabia’s oil industry, the capital of the United Arab Emirates, American soldiers in Syria, as well as tankers in the Gulf of Oman in recent years.

The British Ministry of Defense, in its intelligence update on Sept. 14, also said it was highly likely that Russia had deployed Iranian drones in Ukraine for the first time. Noting that the Shahed-136 has a claimed range of 2,500 kilometers, it added that so far, it appears that Moscow is using these drones for tactical strikes near front lines rather than to destroy more strategic targets deep into Ukrainian territory.

The Iranian drones are relatively small and fly at a very low altitude, making it hard for Ukrainian air-defense systems to detect them, Col. Kulagin said. He said he hoped the U.S. and allies could provide Ukraine with more advanced antidrone technologies, or would step in to disrupt Iranian drone shipments to Russia.


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In July, U.S. national security adviser Jake Sullivan warned that Russian defense officials had visited Iran, preparing to purchase up to several hundred Iranian drones, including the weapons-capable ones, on an expedited timeline. At the time, Iran’s Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian denied the plan in a phone call with his Ukrainian counterpart and said that Tehran opposed the war on Ukraine, according to a statement by the Iranian Foreign Ministry.

Russia hasn’t publicly commented on Iranian drone purchases. Iran’s Foreign Ministry didn’t respond to a recent Wall Street Journal request to comment on the matter. The Kremlin and the Russian Defense Ministry didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment.

On Sept. 8, the U.S. Department of the Treasury said it had sanctioned Iranian company Safiran Airport Services for coordinating Russian military flights that transported Iranian drones and related equipment to Russia, and Iranian drone-manufacturing companies Paravar Pars, DAMA and Baharestan Kish.

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Drones of different kinds play an important role in the Ukrainian conflict, in part because neither side has air superiority and is, therefore, reluctant to use manned aircraft over enemy positions. Hundreds of military and commercial reconnaissance drones hover in the air daily along the front lines, spotting targets and guiding artillery fire.

Ukraine, unlike Russia, also operates a fleet of drones armed with missiles. These Turkish-made Bayraktar TB2 drones destroyed several Russian armored columns in the early days of the war and are being used more frequently once again, now that Kyiv has been able to weaken Russian air defenses in many areas, in part thanks to U.S.-supplied AGM-88 HARM antiradar missiles.

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The U.S. accused Iran of using delta-wing drones as part of a coordinated 2019 attack on Saudi Arabia’s oil facilities, including in Jeddah.PHOTO: ANDREJ ISAKOVIC/AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE/GETTY IMAGES

Both Russia and Ukraine also use what are known as kamikaze drones, or loitering munitions. Russia’s Kalashnikov Group has developed a homemade drone known as Kub-Bla, while Ukraine is flying Polish-made Warmate and U.S.-supplied Switchblade drones, as well as some locally made UAVs. These munitions have a much shorter range and flying time than the Iranian-developed Shahed drones, and carry a significantly smaller payload.

Iran has emerged as one of the world’s most resourceful developers of combat drones, in part by reverse-engineering American drones that went astray over the past two decades in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Since Iran unveiled its kamikaze drones in 2016, versions of them have been used to carry out attacks across the Middle East. Last year, the British government accused Iran of using Shahed-136 drones to strike an Israeli-affiliated oil tanker off the coast of Oman, in an incident that killed two crew members. A U.S. military investigation recovered drone debris from the MT Mercer Street tanker and concluded that these were parts of Iranian made delta-wing drones.

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Washington also accused Iran of using delta-wing drones as part of a coordinated 2019 attack on Saudi Arabia’s oil industry.

The U.S. and Israel have accused Iran of providing militants everywhere from Yemen to Lebanon with the training and the parts they need to develop their own drones.

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Iran-backed Houthi forces in Yemen have repeatedly used delta-wing drones to carry out attacks on neighboring Saudi Arabia. In February, Israeli officials said, U.S. jet fighters brought down two Iranian delta-wing drones over northern Iraq. Israeli officials said the drones were heading for Israel.

While the Biden administration has been warning for months that Iran was preparing to provide Russia with hundreds of drones to use in Ukraine, the U.S. initially expected Tehran to have shipped drones capable of carrying missiles, not the kamikaze-style Shaheds.

Michael Knights, a military specialist at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, a think tank, predicted that Ukrainian forces would be able to quickly counter the threat posed by Iranian kamikaze drones. “Iran’s drones look snazzy in Yemen and Syria and Gaza, but they’re increasingly blockable,” he said.

Ukraine, he said, is “a serious counter-air environment and electronic warfare environment that Iran hasn’t really experienced before.” These drones, Mr. Knights added, “tend to have effect at first and then the shock effect wears off.”

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The Kremlin didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment. An earlier version of this article incorrectly said the Russian Foreign Ministry didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment. (Corrected on Sept. 17.)

Write to Yaroslav Trofimov at yaroslav.trofimov@wsj.com and Dion Nissenbaum at dion.nissenbaum@wsj.com

 

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1 hour ago, statsman said:

Thought this was interesting, about Russian use of Iranian drones. I don’t know that we’re going to give a lot of help- I’m sure we don’t want Iran to know what we have as a counter. 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/russias-use-of-iranian-kamikaze-drones-creates-new-dangers-for-ukrainian-troops-11663415140

 

Russia has to link those up to their satellites (Iranians don't have one) so it seems that they (Russia) has figured out how to make it work.   But there is also some real concern over the drones quality and ability to be used long term.   Apparently the Iranians did not build them for repeated use in combat conditions.

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