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On 5/2/2025 at 7:20 PM, wackawacka said:

I can understand why Israel is basically annexing Palestine and neighbors. This is a big shot to create stability for generations.

lol “stability”

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6 hours ago, royiv said:

Wonder what the fine folks in Dearborn think of this.

Israel plans to seize Gaza under new plan, officials say

 Like Kamala would have stopped it? This was inevitable, just like the eventual seizing of the West Bank and part of Syria.  Israel is in expansion mode, they will use whatever they can to justify it. Israel wants those sweet offshore oil and gas rights off the coast of Gaza, they will annex the entire beach at the very least yo gain control of it.

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On 5/2/2025 at 7:20 PM, wackawacka said:

I can understand why Israel is basically annexing Palestine and neighbors. This is a big shot to create stability for generations.

 

On 5/3/2025 at 5:21 PM, Brian Fantana said:

What in the actual fuck are you saying

It’s the theory of how Israel plans for this all to end. It’s been pretty clear for a while now. 

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5 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

Borders change. We are living the Congress of Berlin with less voices.

 

Yes, borders change. With our weapons, money, and blessing, and at the expense of millions. But we have to be okay with it I guess because you said so.

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12 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Yes, borders change. With our weapons, money, and blessing, and at the expense of millions. But we have to be okay with it I guess because you said so.

All borders are equal, but some are more equal than others. 

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Gotta say, invoking lebensraum as a national policy for Israel was not on my bingo card. "Voluntary emigration" (the phrase quoted in the linked AP article) isn't really voluntary when it's that or getting JDAM'd

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-cabinet-approves-expansion-gaza-offensive-broadcaster-kan-reports-2025-05-05/

The decision to expand the operation was immediately hailed by Israeli government hardliners who have long pressed for a full takeover of the Gaza Strip by Israel and a permanent displacement of the population, along the lines of the "Riviera" plans outlined by Trump in February.

"We are finally going to conquer Gaza. We are no longer afraid of the word 'occupation'," Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich told a pro-settler conference in an online discussion.

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43 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Gotta say, invoking lebensraum as a national policy for Israel was not on my bingo card. "Voluntary emigration" (the phrase quoted in the linked AP article) isn't really voluntary when it's that or getting JDAM'd

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-cabinet-approves-expansion-gaza-offensive-broadcaster-kan-reports-2025-05-05/

The decision to expand the operation was immediately hailed by Israeli government hardliners who have long pressed for a full takeover of the Gaza Strip by Israel and a permanent displacement of the population, along the lines of the "Riviera" plans outlined by Trump in February.

"We are finally going to conquer Gaza. We are no longer afraid of the word 'occupation'," Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich told a pro-settler conference in an online discussion.

There is a bit of a national history of pressing their foot on the pedal when they feel invulnerable to anything. We're watching one of those modern instances play out. 

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2 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

Yes, borders change. With our weapons, money, and blessing, and at the expense of millions. But we have to be okay with it I guess because you said so.

WTF? Read my post again. Do you know the devastation caused by the congress of Berlin?

 

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43 minutes ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

Pretty wild this isn't bigger news in the US 

 

Groceries are $50/a month. Priorities?

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On 5/5/2025 at 6:48 PM, Dutchrudder said:

 Like Kamala would have stopped it? This was inevitable, just like the eventual seizing of the West Bank and part of Syria.  Israel is in expansion mode, they will use whatever they can to justify it. Israel wants those sweet offshore oil and gas rights off the coast of Gaza, they will annex the entire beach at the very least yo gain control of it.

Would she have stopped it?  Doubtful. At least she wouldn’t have encouraged it and treated it like a real estate grab. But probably would’ve ended up the same in the end. 

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Well if there's a country that the politicians on the right love more than Israel, it's probably Saudi Arabia. 

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1 hour ago, mdmost said:

Well if there's a country that the politicians on the right love more than Israel, it's probably Saudi Arabia. 

Israel still pretends to be a democracy and that's for pussies. SA has a king, which is manly and good.

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1 hour ago, mdmost said:

Well if there's a country that the politicians on the right love more than Israel, it's probably Saudi Arabia. 

probably due to their progressive treatment of women and the LGBTQ community.

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While welcome, I don’t have much, if any, confidence that the Israeli War on Palestine will keep Trump’s consistent interest or that he’ll continue to criticize them. Still, it’ll be interesting to see whether Trump’s supporters will do a sudden about-face and begin to do the same. That is, if they’re even paying attention.

 

Trump’s Comments on Gaza Reflect Israel’s Growing Isolation
For months, Israel’s strongest allies had been reluctant to join a wave of global censure against the war. Now, even the Trump administration appears to be growing impatient.

Through more than 18 months of war in Gaza, Israel has faced intense criticism from foreign leaders and aid groups but has rarely experienced sustained public censure, let alone concrete repercussions, from its close allies.

Until now.

In recent weeks, partners such as the United States, Britain and France have become more willing to place Israel under overt pressure, culminating in President Trump’s call on Sunday for the war to wind down.

“Israel, we’ve been talking to them, and we want to see if we can stop that whole situation as quickly as possible,” Mr. Trump told reporters in New Jersey shortly before boarding Air Force One.

Those comments contrast with the public position Mr. Trump held entering office in January, when he blamed Hamas rather than Israel for the war’s continuation. He was also careful to present a united front with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel.

Mr. Trump’s latest comment followed a coordinated effort by Britain, Canada and France to criticize Israel’s decision to expand its operations in Gaza. In a joint statement last week, the three countries — which had broadly supported Israel’s right to respond to the Hamas-led attack on Israel in October 2023 — said the expansion was “wholly disproportionate.” All three countries warned of concrete repercussions if Israel did not change course.

Britain has since suspended trade negotiations with Israel. It also placed sanctions on Israeli extremists leading efforts to force Palestinians from land in the Israeli-occupied West Bank — one of its most consequential moves against Israeli interests since it dropped its opposition last year to an arrest warrant issued against Mr. Netanyahu. Separately, France is organizing a conference, which will be held in June in partnership with Saudi Arabia, to discuss the creation of a Palestinian state — an outcome Mr. Netanyahu has vowed to oppose.

Still, all of these countries continue to support Israel in many practical ways, not least through military, economic and intelligence partnerships.

The United States continues to supply Israel with billions of dollars in military aid, helping to sustain the military operations in Gaza. The U.S. secretary of homeland security, Kristi Noem, visited Israel on Sunday and Monday, meeting with Mr. Netanyahu and other leaders, and attended a ceremony in honor of two Israeli Embassy staff members killed in an attack in Washington last week.

Britain and France helped protect Israel last year during huge barrages of ballistic missiles from Iran, and they would most likely do so again.

Moreover, they remain wary and have sometimes been critical of some of the moves made against Israel by other countries, including the push to charge Israel with genocide.

But the shift in the tone of their messaging, coupled with some small practical limits on Israeli interests, indicates that Israel’s strongest partners are beginning to lose patience with Mr. Netanyahu.

So far, Israel appears unmoved. Responding to the European threats, Gideon Saar, the Israeli foreign minister, said that his country would take its own “unilateral measures” if further steps were taken.

In Gaza, Israeli troops have continued to advance, and officials say the military now controls roughly 40 percent of the territory. The Israeli Air Force continued to strike targets in Gaza on Monday, including a school-turned-shelter that Israel said was used by militants.

And while Israel has ended an 80-day blockade on food, allowing some aid into the enclave in recent days, much of that has yet to reach the people who need it most, according to aid agencies. Israel is also pushing ahead with a contentious effort to reshape how food is distributed in Gaza that critics say will accelerate the displacement of people from northern to southern Gaza.

Mr. Netanyahu has remained defiant, accusing Britain, Canada and France of “emboldening Hamas.”

In a speech last week, he addressed their leaders directly, saying, “You’re on the wrong side of humanity and you’re on the wrong side of history.”

Within Israel, the moves have been perceived as a step toward diplomatic isolation.

“After 593 days of war, Israel has reached a diplomatic nadir: Some of its most important friends in the world — Great Britain, France and Canada — have taken the liberty of issuing a statement threatening Israel with sanctions if it continues the war in Gaza,” wrote Itamar Eichner, a diplomatic correspondent, in Yediot Ahronot, a centrist broadsheet, last week.

“Never before has such a statement been issued against Israel, turning it into a pariah state,” Mr. Eichner added. “The most worrisome part: The United States, which has always stood up for Israel, responded with silence.”

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31 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Still, it’ll be interesting to see whether Trump’s supporters will do a sudden about-face

If history is any indication, they will do a sudden about-face.

And then 24 hours later, they’ll do another sudden about-face.

And then 24 hours later, they’ll do another sudden about-face.

And then 24 hours later…

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On 5/5/2025 at 12:02 PM, royiv said:

Wonder what the fine folks in Dearborn think of this.

Israel plans to seize Gaza under new plan, officials say

 

On 5/6/2025 at 7:01 AM, Anastasis said:

 

It’s the theory of how Israel plans for this all to end. It’s been pretty clear for a while now. 

I think it was clear when Israel's expectations of driving the Gazans into Egypt was thwarted by Egypt refusing to open its borders for them. The Israeli plan to quckly desplace huge numbers of Gazans and then, presumably, to never let them return was wrecked. Instead of allowing Israel to close its border and deny Gazans their homeland, Egypt pre-empted the plan by seeing the future and refusing to take part in it.

Israel kept dropping 1000 pound bombs or residential areas. Much of the idiot, lazy press painted Egypt as the cruel one. After all, this was a righteous war against Hamas for the (genuinely) unspeakable crimes committed on in October.

I believe the better press elements (likely print journalists) found the story that Netenyahu had been supporting Hamas to have the enemy he needs to allow brutal policies. Although widely reported, the black and white issue of the Hamas criminal attack made covering the war easier for the big TV outlets. Panels don't like complex issues to yell at each other about.

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This started and continues to be a campaign of annihilation. Bombs, terror, starvation, denial of medical help, and bulldozing in areas of Gaza made the intention obvious. Should someone argue that this is pressure to retrieve hostages, I will point to the Nazi tactic of killing 20 innocent villagers to pressure the French resistance. Of course, the scale of that is quaint compared to the Israeli campaign.

Our journalists fail us again, but I can't be sure that it makes much difference. Their failure is not having the fortitude to identify something they see accurately.

This is not simply a war against Hamas where the Gazans are sadly caught up in the crossfire. This is total war against Gaza. At the very least, it should be described as a military invasion and takeover of Gaza. There is no place that the Israelis have not smashed and occupied.

The media fail in the same way in their hesitancy to label the starvation in Gaza a "famine." A year ago, I heard a guy (unhappily) explaining that the UN had not declared famine because they have precise criteria for doing so. There must be x number of children per thousand people to be dying regularly was one of them. Others were similar statistical marks. The man (probably a UN spokesperson) was unhappy, I think, because to him it was absurd to see pictures of the roaming Gazans with neither decent shelter nor knowledge of where food will come from and quibble about whether it was technically, by UN definition, a famine.

Of course it's a fucking famine. The word was created before there was a UN. 

I can see that the newsmedia have embraced that absurdly concrete definition because they dare not pronounce something unless it's a quote.

It's my biggest problem with the TV press. They're lazy and incompetent.

This nasty little "war" has proceeded under a broad tent hiding its malice. Israel has made itself an outlaw nation. 

And we support it. Shame on us.

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9 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

I believe the better press elements (likely print journalists) found the story that Netenyahu had been supporting Hamas to have the enemy he needs to allow brutal policies. Although widely reported, the black and white issue of the Hamas criminal attack made covering the war easier for the big TV outlets. Panels don't like complex issues to yell at each other about.

This started and continues to be a campaign of annihilation. Bombs, terror, starvation, denial of medical help, and bulldozing in areas of Gaza made the intention obvious. Should someone argue that this is pressure to retrieve hostages, I will point to the Nazi tactic of killing 20 innocent villagers to pressure the French resistance. Of course, the scale of that is quaint compared to the Israeli campaign.

Our journalists fail us again, but I can't be sure that it makes much difference. Their failure is not having the fortitude to identify something they see accurately.

This is not simply a war against Hamas where the Gazans are sadly caught up in the crossfire. This is total war against Gaza. At the very least, it should be described as a military invasion and takeover of Gaza. There is no place that the Israelis have not smashed and occupied.

 

If you haven't watched Andor yet, do so. There's an episode with this line (below) in there that reflects Netanyahu's embrace of Hamas:

“You need a radical insurgency you can count on -- you need Ghorman rebels to do the wrong thing.” 

That episode also does a lovely job of showing how the Press becomes complicit in heinous acts by either parroting a regime's outright lies or indulging in distractions for the public. Andor should be required viewing in American civics classes across the land.

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18 minutes ago, bolverk said:

 

If you haven't watched Andor yet, do so. There's an episode with this line (below) in there that reflects Netanyahu's embrace of Hamas:

“You need a radical insurgency you can count on -- you need Ghorman rebels to do the wrong thing.” 

That episode also does a lovely job of showing how the Press becomes complicit in heinous acts by either parroting a regime's outright lies or indulging in distractions for the public. Andor should be required viewing in American civics classes across the land.

Thanks for the recommendation.

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2 hours ago, bolverk said:

Still, it’ll be interesting to see whether Trump’s supporters will do a sudden about-face and begin to do the same. That is, if they’re even paying attention.

Also, liberals, considering Joe Biden's myriad outright lies he told in the wake of Oct 7th manufactured all the consent Israel would need to begin this genocide.

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49 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Also, liberals, considering Joe Biden's myriad outright lies he told in the wake of Oct 7th manufactured all the consent Israel would need to begin this genocide.

Not here to defend Biden, but what myriad of outright lies did he tell in the wake of October7?

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5 hours ago, DDD Dad said:

Not here to defend Biden, but what myriad of outright lies did he tell in the wake of October7?

Doing memorial day stuff but off the top of my head...

Repeatedly peddling the lie about Israel showing him pictures/videos of a bunch of beheaded Israeli children from Oct 7th.

Repeatedly claiming that Israel does not target civilians or journalists despite the literal mountain of evidence to the contrary.

Repeatedly claiming there was very little the administration could do to pressure Israel to stop the killing, despite that being obvious and utter bullshit.

Repeatedly claiming that his administration was "working tirelessly toward a cease fire" when it was very clearly trying to give Israel as much runway and support as it possibly could.

There's more but suffice to say he did his best to manufacture as much consent as he could along the American public to give cover for Israel to commit genocide.

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Also, don't do the just asking questions bit. It's really annoying explaining this shit to liberals that stuck their heads firmly in the sand post Oct 7th as it is.

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6 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Doing memorial day stuff but off the top of my head...

Repeatedly peddling the lie about Israel showing him pictures/videos of a bunch of beheaded Israeli children from Oct 7th.

Repeatedly claiming that Israel does not target civilians or journalists despite the literal mountain of evidence to the contrary.

Repeatedly claiming there was very little the administration could do to pressure Israel to stop the killing, despite that being obvious and utter bullshit.

Repeatedly claiming that his administration was "working tirelessly toward a cease fire" when it was very clearly trying to give Israel as much runway and support as it possibly could.

There's more but suffice to say he did his best to manufacture as much consent as he could along the American public to give cover for Israel to commit genocide.

Appreciate your perspective.

4 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Also, don't do the just asking questions bit. It's really annoying explaining this shit to liberals that stuck their heads firmly in the sand post Oct 7th as it is.

You know, sometimes someone asking questions isn't a bit.  Sorry you're annoyed.  I don't consider myself a liberal and most certainly have not had my head stuck in the sand.

Not everyone on this website is trolling or trying to score internet points.  There are some of us sincerely engaged and interested in hearing others' opinions.

Cheers.

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45 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Appreciate your perspective.

You know, sometimes someone asking questions isn't a bit.  Sorry you're annoyed.  I don't consider myself a liberal and most certainly have not had my head stuck in the sand.

Not everyone on this website is trolling or trying to score internet points.  There are some of us sincerely engaged and interested in hearing others' opinions.

Cheers.

I gotcha. Sorry I am busy with family shit today and somewhat annoyed. Not your problem.

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Interesting little game to play.

https://zionism.wtf/#zionist-or-nazi

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Can you guess who said it?

This quiz explores similarities between Nazi Germany and Israel, both in writing and deeds. The basis for this comparison can be found in both projects' settler-colonial nature. In Germany's case, with its occupation of Eastern Europe (Generalplan Ost), and in Israel's case, with its occupation of Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, and more (Greater Israel), a common process of ethnic cleansing is apparent. This similarity is not accidental, early Zionist planners like Arthur Ruppin were directly inspired by Germany's occupation of Posen.

The quotes are taken from leading politicians, media personalities, etc. from both sides and throughout their respective histories.

 

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Admittedly, I am not great with quotes in general, but I thought I would get more than 50%!
I quit after I got 6 of the first 8 incorrect.
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1 hour ago, tchookem said:
19 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:
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Admittedly, I am not great with quotes in general, but I thought I would get more than 50%!

I quit after I got 6 of the first 8 incorrect.

I made a comeback in the home stretch or I'd have been under .500

It really is pretty sobering

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Give it up to the Irish.

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The Irish government approved Tuesday, May 27, the drafting of a bill to ban the import of goods from Israeli settlements considered illegal under international law, an unprecedented move for a European Union member.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2025/05/27/ireland-moves-to-become-first-eu-country-to-ban-trade-with-israeli-occupied-territories_6741747_4.html

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17 hours ago, Firemans4Horn said:

The ADL is a trainwreck under this assclowns leadership. 
 

 

They’ve been a train wreck for a long time. Every time they use the phrase “the rise of a new antisemitism,” Tinkerbell dies.

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21 hours ago, Firemans4Horn said:

The ADL is a trainwreck under this assclowns leadership. 
 

 

Has anyone seen him and Stephen Miller in the same place at the same time?

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