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The Surly Official 2020 Corching Search Thread of DOOM and DESPAIR


If it ain't Urban, who do you want?  

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20 minutes ago, DanTheHorn said:

I will have to say it over and over again. "Imagine what he can do with Texas talent" is an excuse line and does not mean shit. The same was said about Herman and he lost to SMU with superior talent at Houston. Campbell lost to the Raging Cajuns and Oklahoma State that is a paper giant! So stop with imagine what they can do with Texas talent. If they lose with superior talent to lesser talent with their current roster during their best year they will lose to inferior talent at Texas.

Final year before moving on to NC job:

Saban - Only lost to ranked talent in his last year. Purdue which was ranked lower than his team had Drew Brees

Urban - Did not lose

Mack Brown - Only lost to higher ranked Florida State

 

 

So you want a coach that's never lost to a team with inferior talent? Then your list is no one. Games all have a win/loss probability. Crazy things happen that lead to upsets. The point is that those odds get much better with UT talent, so a 7-2 ISU team becomes an 8-1 or 9-0 UT team. In other words, a playoff team.

Saban was 34-24 at Michigan St. and they are a stronger program than ISU. Urban was 8-5 his last year at Florida.

Is Louisiana a bad loss? Of course. But they're actually ranked this year. Ok St definitely has more talent in terms of recruiting rankings.

The difference is that Herman played cupcakes every single week at UH, not the weekly competition of a P5 conference, so it was a much bigger transition. Campbell is already doing it in our conference against the exact same opponents.

Now, I would like to see Campbell maintain his success without Purdy but that's not an option for us.

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8 minutes ago, Nuthn2CHere said:

This is a real question, I'm not a troll, and I understand many will shit on me for even asking. 

 

I'll start by saying that it's clear to me that Herman is not a *bad* coach.  He obviously does not perform up to our standards and seems like a pompous ass who rubs many fans, admin. and BMDs the wrong way, but he is an above average college coach.  My personal view of college football over the past 15 years, and even more so over the past decade, is that there are 1-5 truly elite college coaches who can predictably and systematically win at the highest levels.  Then there are a bunch of coaches who, whether because they don't have truly elite talent, or get outcoached sometimes but not most of the time, lose 2-5 games every year.  This is totally variable from year to year, but generally these are coaches that win more than they lose to varying degrees.  Herman is obviously one of those coaches.  

 

Can someone who knows more about recruiting tell me why we should buy out Herman, pay another probably very comparable coach as much or more to come here, only to continue to lose a similar number of games year to year?  Having missed on Urban, why is it out of the question to simply ride with Herman, who is at least winning (more than we could say about Strong)?  I gather it's to save and re-invigorate recruiting, but I don't see evidence that there is someone out there who will keep Bama and Clemson and especially tOSU from taking the best recruits out of Texas for the foreseeable future.  It really seems like missing out on Urban means we are back at Herman being our best option, which at least means winning twice as many games as we lose until someone else emerges as a truly elite option.  Getting rid of him because we hate his personality and because he isn't one of the best 5 coaches in the country, when none of those dudes is available, seems like cutting your nose off to spite your face, but I honestly don't know enough about the damage to recruiting that this approach would do in the medium and long term.  Someone please enlighten me.

I'd add a tier of coaches between Saban/Meyer/Dabo and Herman. There's the Mack Brown tier that consistently loses to the first tier coaches, but generally beats everyone else. Herman isn't in that group so why waste more time with him. If we're going to fail with a coach, it's best to do it quickly and move on as soon as possible to try and find one of the guys that is in that first or second tier.  

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I'm stepping back for a couple of years if we do not get Urban. The others on the list are eye rollers, ready to give us the same shit we have seen from the last two misses. Its honestly been nice in my backyard on Saturdays, not paying LHF, not having to get hotels all season, etc... Im getting to be fairly apathetic to this whole shit show. 

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Look Herman wasn't a bad bet.  He had promise and we all know many coaching hires don't work out.  The bad bet was extending him after the Sugar Bowl.  That is why we are in the fix we are in now.

 

Hiring another up and comer or a coach from a smaller school is not an auto-fail scenario.

Mainly, I think we need to stop thinking that money whipping some guy is going to magically solve our issues.

Let's find another good bet and make it and see how it plays out.

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1 minute ago, GTX Horn said:

I wonder if Kubiak would try installing his pro-style offense? Either way it wouldn’t necessarily be an inspiring hire to put it mildly.

Per Nahlin:

Gary Kubiak, OC Minnesota Vikings: Your first thought is likely that this is a terrible idea. It was my thought for the first 30 seconds. However, I love his personality for the college game, I love his offense for the college game as well as the personnel on hand (Bijan in that wide zone running game, Card on bootlegs), and I have a lot of confidence he’d make great hires for defensive coordinator and offensive line. From a ’who to hire‘ to recruit standpoint, that would be an issue. Would he come in like Herm Edwards and hire a rainmaker like Antonio Pierce?

Kubiak is David Pierce’s brother-in-law and comes highly recommended. He would recruit the quarterback position extremely well — he’d land one of Quinn Ewers or Arch Manning. Peyton Manning would advocate for him. There’s a lot of subtle value with Kubiak.

Bottom line: The instant improvement in overall coaching, people skills, and ability to game plan would be through the roof. We haven’t heard much on this front since the middle of last week.

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1 minute ago, closetohumping said:

Per Nahlin:

Gary Kubiak, OC Minnesota Vikings: Your first thought is likely that this is a terrible idea. It was my thought for the first 30 seconds. However, I love his personality for the college game, I love his offense for the college game as well as the personnel on hand (Bijan in that wide zone running game, Card on bootlegs), and I have a lot of confidence he’d make great hires for defensive coordinator and offensive line. From a ’who to hire‘ to recruit standpoint, that would be an issue. Would he come in like Herm Edwards and hire a rainmaker like Antonio Pierce?

Kubiak is David Pierce’s brother-in-law and comes highly recommended. He would recruit the quarterback position extremely well — he’d land one of Quinn Ewers or Arch Manning. Peyton Manning would advocate for him. There’s a lot of subtle value with Kubiak.

Bottom line: The instant improvement in overall coaching, people skills, and ability to game plan would be through the roof. We haven’t heard much on this front since the middle of last week.

We have officially jumped the shark. What a fucking laughing stock we are in college football.

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Dude, Kubiak's system would be killer at the college level. QBs would love coming to Texas. Think Kyle Shanahan's offense, which tree'd off of Kubiak's.

Just dunno what kinda staff he'd assemble, or how well he'd be at recruiting etc... It's an interesting thought tbh. 

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Just now, closetohumping said:

Per Nahlin:

Gary Kubiak, OC Minnesota Vikings: Your first thought is likely that this is a terrible idea. It was my thought for the first 30 seconds. However, I love his personality for the college game, I love his offense for the college game as well as the personnel on hand (Bijan in that wide zone running game, Card on bootlegs), and I have a lot of confidence he’d make great hires for defensive coordinator and offensive line. From a ’who to hire‘ to recruit standpoint, that would be an issue. Would he come in like Herm Edwards and hire a rainmaker like Antonio Pierce?

Kubiak is David Pierce’s brother-in-law and comes highly recommended. He would recruit the quarterback position extremely well — he’d land one of Quinn Ewers or Arch Manning. Peyton Manning would advocate for him. There’s a lot of subtle value with Kubiak.

Bottom line: The instant improvement in overall coaching, people skills, and ability to game plan would be through the roof. We haven’t heard much on this front since the middle of last week.

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Because CDC failed, any other hire is change for the sake of change. We are going nowhere fast. Prepare to be underwhelmed.

We will look back on Herman winning 3 straight bowl games as the good old days. 

Let's roll the dice on Fickell and embrace the suckage. 

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1 minute ago, UncleBuck said:

Dude, Kubiak's system would be killer at the college level. QBs would love coming to Texas. Think Kyle Shanahan's offense, which tree'd off of Kubiak's.

Just dunno what kinda staff he'd assemble, or how well he'd be at recruiting etc... It's an interesting thought tbh. 

At least he is the BIL of Pierce so at least has some insight into recruiting and would not being coming in completely blind. Also has 2 years at aggy in the early 90s as a coach.

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2 minutes ago, UncleBuck said:

Dude, Kubiak's system would be killer at the college level. QBs would love coming to Texas. Think Kyle Shanahan's offense, which tree'd off of Kubiak's.

Just dunno what kinda staff he'd assemble, or how well he'd be at recruiting etc... It's an interesting thought tbh. 

Like Nahlin said, it was a fuck no at first, but Kubiak was a former NFL hc and isnt' an ass.  He could work here honestly.  Bring some old NFL guys as coaches?  That has to help with recruiting.  Kubiak certainly knows offense and Peyton does seem to like him.  Flip side is Kubiak is an aggy and Peyton endorsed Adam Gase

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1 minute ago, burdine said:

I agree Kubiak is an interesting idea.

An Aggie but also from the State of Texas.  I do think his offense could translate to college.

As long as you don't overpay, lock into some enormous contract, then I could live with the bet.

 

He's pretty old too.  This is likely a five year hire.

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Just now, closetohumping said:

Like Nahlin said, it was a fuck no at first, but Kubiak was a former NFL hc and isnt' an ass.  He could work here honestly.  Bring some old NFL guys as coaches?  That has to help with recruiting.  Kubiak certainly knows offense and Peyton does seem to like him.  Flip side is Kubiak is an aggy and Peyton endorsed Adam Gase

Also he'd get some OL drafted high IMO. I had never thought about this. As a Texans fan I wouldn't want him coaching my NFL team, but if done right, I could see this working in college. I dunno. This is a weird feeling for me. 

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2 minutes ago, JFKFC said:

Because CDC failed, any other hire is change for the sake of change. We are going nowhere fast. Prepare to be underwhelmed.

We will look back on Herman winning 3 straight bowl games as the good old days. 

Let's roll the dice on Fickell and embrace the suckage. 

Whatever.

There are plenty of coaches out there that could beat OU, win bowl games, and the occasional conference crown. We don't need a Meyer-level guy to do that.

(To win an NC soon, yes, we need that, but respectability can be achieved much more easily.)

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My initial thoughts on Kubiak

Offensive witch, his system would kill in the big 12.

No idea about recruiting, he'd have to hire some rainmakers.

With his experience he has a ton of connections he could mine for staff hires, would be very interested to hear who he would consider for DC.

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1 minute ago, UncleBuck said:

Also he'd get some OL drafted high IMO. I had never thought about this. As a Texans fan I wouldn't want him coaching my NFL team, but if done right, I could see this working in college. I dunno. This is a weird feeling for me. 

I agree. the texans part of my brain hates it...but his offense would play well in college IMO and hes smart enough to know to make the right hires for DC.......recruiting would be worrisome unless he brings an absolute rainmaker with him

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Just now, SimkinsMan said:

Kubiak seems like a reasonably good choice considering the circumstances.

Because our circumstances are shit, the Kubiak hire would be shit. Kubiak is a tool. He's a cake-eater. He's a clown and a bad coach, and I don't like to cast aspersions on a guy, but he's going to get us all killed. 

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Kubiak has 4 Super Bowl rings, one as a Head Coach.

I think the job probably wouldn't be too big for him at least.

He probably knows some really good OL coaches.

I like him better than Fickell or Cristobal types.

The key thing is not to get locked into some enormous contract.

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2 minutes ago, RGBIII said:

recruiting would be worrisome unless he brings an absolute rainmaker with him

Yah, I have no clue how recruiting would be. Seems like every candidate we're down to discussing has at least one of the important boxes he doesn't check off. Kubiak's would be recruiting at the moment. Also, would be be too controlling of the offense like he was in Houston? Not saying I'm on board, but it's just a name I had never considered, but know a lot about. 

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6 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Like Nahlin said, it was a fuck no at first, but Kubiak was a former NFL hc and isnt' an ass.  He could work here honestly.  Bring some old NFL guys as coaches?  That has to help with recruiting.  Kubiak certainly knows offense and Peyton does seem to like him.  Flip side is Kubiak is an aggy and Peyton endorsed Adam Gase

Charlie Weiss did that, it didnt work. If we go Kubiak, he would need to go with some recruiting witches at the positional coaches and a top flight OC/DC for it to have any chance at all. And I just don't think it would. 

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