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Arkansas State is supposed to be decent, right?

Go Wolves.  KSU fans have become total cunts on Twitter since we finally ended the Farmageddon streak from hell.  Getting the Camping World nod while they got sent to Memphis to lose to a mid-major really burned their flag too.

Always had good interactions in real life with them, but god damn they're shitty online.  Worse than Iowa fans.

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On 12/10/2018 at 11:28 PM, satyanash said:

Not a good hire.

- Bohl was the one who built NDSU into the national title-winning powerhouse it is today, not Klieman, and he deserves the credit for it. Klieman just continued the trend (and Bohl meanwhile has done poorly at Wyoming). At K-State he'll have to orchestrate a rebuild on his own terms.

- Hiring an FCS coach all the way up to P5 is a massive risk. Huge, huge uptick in responsibilities. Recruiting will also fall of a cliff, he has no experience recruiting the area. He was Kansas' DB coach in 1997. That's his entire lifetime's worth of P5 experience at any level.

- Given that Gene Taylor, NDSU's previous AD is now at K-State, this feels very much like a gool ol' boy hire.

cough cough

 

 

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Missed this info on K-State game vs Arky State...

Pat Forde:  "The Wildcats were without “nearly two dozen players and most of their scholarship wide receivers,” according to the Wichita Eagle. But Arkansas State was down nine starters itself."

 

3 thoughts on Kansas State football's 35-31 loss to Arkansas State

Ryan Black rblack@themercury.com.  7 hrs ago

1)  Putting things in perspective

No team ever will play flawless football. Particularly in an opener. This K-State squad had even greater justification for faux pas given that it didn't have a chance to hold a single practice this spring. (Another casualty of the coronavirus.) Those 15 sessions likely would have done wonders for an offensive line that had to replace all five starters from the 2019 campaign.

Throw in all the COVID-related chaos — from those who tested positive and (obviously) missed the game to those held out because they were close contacts — and it was all but certain the Wildcats would have their share of miscues Saturday. They were without a pair of receivers from the two-deep depth chart in Wykeen Gill and return man extraordinaire Joshua Youngblood. Sophomore defensive end Khalid Duke, who had drawn rave reviews from coaches and teammates during preseason camp, was sidelined as well.

Oh, and the offensive line? Starting center Noah Johnson, the new leader of the unit, hurt his wrist during the game, forcing the group to reshuffle the lineup. Two more starters, nickelback Jahron McPherson and strong safety Wayne Jones, also exited the loss with injuries.

The only problem with those excuses? Arkansas State had to battle many of the same issues.  Yes, the Red Wolves at least had a handful of spring practices before the rest were canceled by the spread of COVID-19 in the U.S. in the middle of March. And yes, they already had one game under their belts (a 37-24 loss at Memphis on Sept. 5) prior to arriving in Manhattan.  But according to ASU beat writer George Stoia III, who covers the team for the Arkansas Democrat Gazette, the Red Wolves were missing 13 members of their two deep Saturday, including a whopping nine starters. Yet they still persevered to pull the four-point upset.

While K-State's roster lacked its usual depth Saturday, the bottom line is there isn't a way to explain around losing to a Sun Belt Conference team down that many starters — even if the foe regularly is among the best Group of 5 programs around. 

Speaking of which ...

2) Consider the opponent

This isn't double talk. K-State shouldn't have lost to Arkansas State Saturday. You don't pay a six-figure guarantee to a smaller school for them to come into your own stadium and eat your lunch.  But keep in mind that the Red Wolves aren't a team awed by playing Power 5 schools. Yes, they had lost 20 consecutive matchups against Power 5 foes dating to 2008, when they topped Texas A&M in College Station, Texas.

Yet what Arkansas State represents is a program accustomed to winning. The Red Wolves have won seven or more games each of the last nine years (2011-19); they've also earned bowl berths each of those nine years. They've never had a losing campaign under seventh-year head coach Blake Anderson, who picked up his 48th victory at the school Saturday. They've won five of the last nine Sun Belt Conference titles, earning it alone in 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2015 and claiming a piece of it in 2016 alongside Appalachian State. 

And the Red Wolves once were a "cradle of coaches" in the 2010s: Three consecutive coaches turned one-year, conference-championship-winning tenures into jobs at bigger schools. Hugh Freeze went to Ole Miss after capturing the Sun Belt in 2011, Gus Malzahn accomplished the feat in 2012 and left for Auburn and Bryan Harsin completed the hat trick in 2013 before departing for Boise State.

"But Ryan, Arkansas State already lost to Memphis this year! Why couldn't K-State do the same?" you ask, irritatedly.

The truth is, Memphis likely would beat K-State right now, too. The Tigers are ranked No. 16 — trailing only Cincinnati (No. 13) and Central Florida (No. 14) among Group of 5 schools — in the latest Associated Press poll for a reason.

If K-State wanted a no-sweat opener, schedule no-doubt cupcakes. (Like Missouri State, a team which had won just 13 games the past five seasons entering Saturday and promptly was pounded by Oklahoma 48-0. Or Eastern Kentucky, a program still looking to recapture the glory it once had under legendary head coach Roy Kidd, that West Virginia sent home with a 56-10 loss Saturday.)

To be sure, easier opponents were out there than the pesky Red Wolves.

The Wildcats found that out the hard way Saturday.

3) Glimpses of the future

The news wasn't all bad for the Wildcats, however, especially as it pertains to its underclassmen.  Before Wayne Jones' injury — one that, thankfully, turned out to look a lot scarier than it ultimately was, as he later announced he only had a concussion and "some other minor things" — he had recovered a fumble and tallied six tackles, tied for a team high. He's a sophomore.

Will Jones II, no relation to Wayne, had blocked a punt and intercepted a pass. He's a redshirt freshman.

In fact, half of K-State's top-six tacklers Saturday have two more years of eligibility remaining: Wayne Jones, third-year sophomore linebacker Daniel Green and third-year sophomore defensive back Lance Robinson. 

On offense, the bright spots shined every bit, if not (in one specific case) more, brilliantly.

True freshman quarterback Will Howard came on at the end of the third quarter with Skylar Thompson banged up. After ASU linebacker Justin Rice rocked Howard for a loss on Play 1, he came back the very next play and delivered a 24-yard strike to fullback Jax Dineen. Afterward, K-State head coach Chris Klieman praised Howard's ability to shake off a negative play so quickly and respond with a top-flight throw one snap later.

And Howard didn't even take "top true freshman" honors Saturday.

That accolade goes to running back Deuce Vaughn, who led the Wildcats in rushing yards (47 on 12 carries) and scored his first career college touchdown in the second quarter. During Klieman's time on the Big 12 coaches teleconference Monday, he called Vaughn "the best player on the field for us" against the Red Wolves.

While a win might be hard to come by before the end of the month — K-State does open Big 12 play Sept. 26 at the colossus that is Oklahoma — there should be plenty more victories in the future as long as Howard and Vaughn are suiting up for the Wildcats.

https://themercury.com/k_state_sports/3-thoughts-on-kansas-state-footballs-35-31-loss-to-arkansas-state/article_ad4062e4-f49b-59c3-ad26-22b9d4e8c20b.html

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Deuce Vaughn, son of Chris Vaughn  (fomer Texas Football Asst Coach) 

How Deuce Vaughn issued a memorable performance in his debut

By D. SCOTT FRITCHEN Sep 13th

The date was February 14 and Deuce Vaughn, still a high school senior, wearing Kansas State gear, held court with young football players inside the Round Rock Multipurpose Complex.  The 5-foot-5, 168-pound Vaughn, wearing that purple, long-sleeve Nike t-shirt with a silver Powercat, sounded like a coach, or at least like a seasoned college football player, as Vaughn stood before these campers at the Texas Youth Football All-Star Showcase. The words flowed.

“For you young guys, everything you do Monday through Sunday is a process,” Vaughn said. “Everybody knows you come out and play games in front of the lights, but what you do between Monday and Sunday is what’s going to make you great.  “I wake up every morning and stive to be my greatest at what I do.”

Vaughn put his words into action on Saturday. Before Vaughn embarked on his first-career college football game, K-State seniors said that Vaughn was the most mature true freshman they’d ever been around and K-State running backs coach Brian Anderson said that Vaughn had exceptional hands and K-State head coach Chris Klieman said that the game wasn’t too big for Vaughn, which, really wasn’t that big of a surprise when discussing Vaughn with Cedar Ridge (Texas) High School head coach Sam Robinson, who said, “Deuce is extremely rare.”

Then there’s Chris Vaughn, Deuce’s father, a longtime college football assistant coach and current Dallas Cowboys scout, who told his son over and over again through the years, “Football is like an ATM machine! You can only withdraw what you deposit, period!”

So, yes, if you listened to Chris Vaughn and if you listened to Sam Robinson and if you listened to Chris Klieman and if you listened to Brian Anderson and if you listened to Justin Hughes then Vaughn’s performance in the first game of his college career came as no shock at all, really.

He has the work ethic, he has the talent.  And now he has the action to match the words.  Truth is, not since the great Darren Sproles has a K-State offensive player of Vaughn’s stature put on such a show.  On Saturday, Vaughn became the first true freshman in K-State history in at least three decades to score a touchdown in his first game. He led K-State in both rushing and receiving after the first quarter of the first game of his career. His first carry came with 6 minutes, 56 seconds left in the first quarter. He made an initial tackler miss (and it won’t be the last) and skated 12 yards (and it won’t be the last) for a first down (and it won’t be the last).

9922466.jpg?fit=bounds&crop=620:320,offs The K-State student section yelled, “DEUUUUUCE!” (And it won’t be the last.)   Vaughn scored his first touchdown less than three minutes into the second quarter, darting off tackle and shooting three yards toward the goal line like a bullet.  “Last night I went to bed dreaming about scoring my first touchdown in Bill Snyder Family Stadium and playing for the Wildcats,” Vaughn said after the game. “It’s surreal. I look forward to doing it over and over again.”

Vaughn finished as K-State’s leading rusher with 12 carries for 47 yards and one touchdown while running behind an offensive line with five new starters and that is the youngest offensive line in the nation. Check the record books and find another true freshman led K-State in rushing yards in a season opener. You won’t find it. Check and see the last time a K-State true freshman was on the two-deep at running back entering the first game of his career. Not even Sproles did that.

“When the kid is in the game,” Klieman said, “everyone gets excited and knows that something special could happen.”

How’s that happen? It goes back to what Chris Vaughn preached to his son. Football is like an ATM machine. Vaughn cashed in with one of the greatest performances by a true freshman running back in decades because of everything that he put into football and into K-State long before he even arrived in Manhattan.

When Vaughn was addressing those kids back at the All-Star football camp on February 14, only a few people knew it, but Vaughn was already investing and saving it up so it would pay dividends at just the right time.

He showed that during his first game.

“I signed my letter of intent around December and I ended up getting the playbook and my iPad and stuff in February, so just right then I took it day-by-day, chunk-by-chunk, and just looked at everything and didn’t get ahead of myself and try to look at too much and took it step by step by step,” Vaughn said. “I looked at all the installments they had in 2019 camp.  I knew if I did that I would give myself a great opportunity to be able to play early.”

If you believe the college coach, the college running back, the college senior, the high school head coach and the father, this is going to be an unbelievable ride, and students will yell “DEUUUUUCE!” on fall Saturdays for four years, and Vaughn will make highlights, and turn heads, and be a constant headache for opponents.

But for now, let’s remember Vaughn is a true freshman, and understand that he, while blessed with talent, jitterbug moves, and all-around ability that we haven’t seen at K-State in nearly two decades, is still trying to digest his first time on the field, his first carry, his first touchdown.

“Whenever I got the opportunity and I hit it and I got into the end zone,” Vaughn said, “I didn’t know what to think.”  Truth is, he’d been preparing for moments like these his whole life.  Saturday was just his first opportunity at K-State to cash in.

(And it won’t be the last.)

https://247sports.com/college/kansas-state/Article/Kansas-State-football-true-freshman-running-back-Deuce-Vaughn-set-impressive-marks-during-his-first-college-game-151392649/

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2 hours ago, DeadArmadillo said:

Bill Snyder must be turning over in his grave after that debacle Saturday

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His first body. The one that died 1,000 years ago after the first copper (age) bowl. Not the body he now inhabits due to some voodoo wizardry magic stuff. 

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On 9/9/2020 at 11:39 AM, Al_4_ISU said:

Arkansas State is supposed to be decent, right?

Go Wolves.  KSU fans have become total cunts on Twitter since we finally ended the Farmageddon streak from hell.  Getting the Camping World nod while they got sent to Memphis to lose to a mid-major really burned their flag too.

Always had good interactions in real life with them, but god damn they're shitty online.  Worse than Iowa fans.

Arkansas State was down 8 starters in this game. It was already a bad loss....

 

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On 9/9/2020 at 11:39 AM, Al_4_ISU said:

Arkansas State is supposed to be decent, right?

Go Wolves.  KSU fans have become total cunts on Twitter since we finally ended the Farmageddon streak from hell.  Getting the Camping World nod while they got sent to Memphis to lose to a mid-major really burned their flag too.

Always had good interactions in real life with them, but god damn they're shitty online.  Worse than Iowa fans.

Fuck you. 

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8 hours ago, Kennythetiger said:

Fuck you. 

Ah, fuck.  Forgot you were KSU.  Always think of you as a cool poster on Surly first and foremost.

Your comrades on Twitter need to cool it down for real though.  It reminds me of the GOEMAW message board twats.  Like I said, I've always got along great in real life with KSU fans.

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42 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

Ah, fuck.  Forgot you were KSU.  Always think of you as a cool poster on Surly first and foremost.

Your comrades on Twitter need to cool it down for real though.  It reminds me of the GOEMAW message board twats.  Like I said, I've always got along great in real life with KSU fans.

I forget that posts don’t convey tone, except in the Wives thread. Mine was made completely in jest, playing off of your KSU internet badasses comment. 

I’ve never been on K-State’s board. These things weren’t popular when I was in either college or law school, and Shaggy was the first one I found. The Texas guys entertain a running year-long thread and a game day thread, and quite frankly, that’s good enough for me. 
I gathered cattle all day Saturday and caught bits and pieces of the game on the radio. Goddamn it. 

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On 9/16/2020 at 5:02 PM, lateshow said:

As the lone A-State fan and grad on this board, I'd like to say Go Red Wolves!!

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