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Holy crap, stop this.  SMU had its nice little day in the sun last year.  Now let's all go back to ignoring them and not manufacturing reasons to talk about an irrelevant program.  This thread needs to make its way to the 10th or 11th page.

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Dear Mustang Nation,

We are pleased to announce that Damon Evans has been named SMU’s new director of Athletics. Damon brings a wealth of experience from nationally-recognized programs, having served as athletics director at both the University of Georgia and, most recently, the University of Maryland. Under his leadership, the Terrapins have won 49 Big Ten championships and tournament titles. The program has earned seven national championships since 2014, when he joined Maryland as the executive athletic director and chief financial officer.

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8 minutes ago, statsman said:

What stadium do you think they will host LSU in? AT&T? Cotton Bowl?

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The article I was reading on SI.com said "At LSU in Baton Rouge" and then "at SMU in Dallas" for what it's worth.  I think Jerry world would be a mistake, that would turn in to a home crowd for corndog easily. 

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3 minutes ago, markstanco said:

Came here to post.

The article I was reading on SI.com said "At LSU in Baton Rouge" and then "at SMU in Dallas" for what it's worth.  I think Jerry world would be a mistake, that would turn in to a home crowd for corndog easily. 

TCU did this exact thing about 10 years ago. Of course the return game was Jerry World. 

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Sure, but that’s how it worked for TCU- they planned a home-and-home, then LSU insisted on ATT (they saw it as a recruiting showcase and they wanted a lot of exposure), and it ended up as a one-off at ATT. 
 
I fully expect, at some point, for LSU to say, “We’re not playing this in a 35,000 seat stadium, are we?”

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Too many upgrades to Ford Stadium to move a big name OOC to JerryWorld or the Cotton Bowl. Agree with above. The best thing they can do is try to limit how many LSU fans can attend. Nice bit of scheduling for SMU. Ballsy even. 

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48 minutes ago, statsman said:

Sure, but that’s how it worked for TCU- they planned a home-and-home, then LSU insisted on ATT (they saw it as a recruiting showcase and they wanted a lot of exposure), and it ended up as a one-off at ATT. 
 
I fully expect, at some point, for LSU to say, “We’re not playing this in a 35,000 seat stadium, are we?”

Happened to TCU with LSU and Ohio State.  

Ford is a glorified high school stadium with an incredible new South endzone facility.  

Having been to the last two TCU - SMU games in Dallas before last year, I really am not sure how in the world they would handle a truly full crowd at Ford. Hell, they run out of ice and beer by half when they play TCU, That type of inadequate concession capability could turn ugly if LSU were to play there. 

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3 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Well they have 4 years to figure that out. OU and Clemson both roll into Ford in 2027. 

Technically, they had multiple games over capacity this past year as the official I believe is just over 32,000.  

Parking is a bitch and stadium concourses, bathrooms, and concessions really aren't enough to handle capacity, but i think they spent the money in the right place in the end zone complex.  

Unless you are going to add boxes and suites to generate more revenue, the fan experience is wasted money.   

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There is no chance in hell that game will be played at SMU. It’s a nice thought but way too much money left on the table with a small stadium. 

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They aren’t making their NIL money from ticket sales and they didn’t just spend $100M on the stadium to not play big games at Ford. They’ll make way more money from handshakes on the Boulevard that day than a few extra seats at soulless Jerry World especially when they’d give up any semblance of home advantage in the stands. 

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2 hours ago, 'stache said:

They aren’t making their NIL money from ticket sales and they didn’t just spend $100M on the stadium to not play big games at Ford. They’ll make way more money from handshakes on the Boulevard that day than a few extra seats at soulless Jerry World especially when they’d give up any semblance of home advantage in the stands. 

Same song, different day.  Exact same arguments were used for bringing LSU and tOSU to TCU's stadium. 

From 2010-2012, they spent 164MM completely rebuilding their stadium.  Notwithstanding that 164MM, the 2013 LSU return game was played at Jerry World.  

In 2012, a home-and-home between TCU and tOSU was announced, with tOSU coming to FW in 2018 and TCU going to Columbus in 2019.  In 2017, the schools (CDC AD at TCU) announced the arrangement was collapsed to one game at Jerry World. https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/big-12/texas-christian-university/article147401554.html

Now maybe SMU's AD has better negotiating skills than CDC. 

Maybe SMU is better positioned than TCU in 2017, when it was in a P5 conference, was coming off an 11-3 season, and 12 10+ seasons since 2000, including an 11-6 Bowl record, including a 2-1 record in BCS/NY6 Bowls, and 6 top-10 finishes.   

But maybe not.  

I will be absolutely shocked if LSU comes to Ford.

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1 hour ago, nnm said:

Same song, different day.  Exact same arguments were used for bringing LSU and tOSU to TCU's stadium. 

From 2010-2012, they spent 164MM completely rebuilding their stadium.  Notwithstanding that 164MM, the 2013 LSU return game was played at Jerry World.  

In 2012, a home-and-home between TCU and tOSU was announced, with tOSU coming to FW in 2018 and TCU going to Columbus in 2019.  In 2017, the schools (CDC AD at TCU) announced the arrangement was collapsed to one game at Jerry World. https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/big-12/texas-christian-university/article147401554.html

Now maybe SMU's AD has better negotiating skills than CDC. 

Maybe SMU is better positioned than TCU in 2017, when it was in a P5 conference, was coming off an 11-3 season, and 12 10+ seasons since 2000, including an 11-6 Bowl record, including a 2-1 record in BCS/NY6 Bowls, and 6 top-10 finishes.   

But maybe not.  

I will be absolutely shocked if tOSU comes to Ford.

I think TCU has always been open to the payday at Jerryworld, especially with how close it is to Ft. Worth and being the closest D1 program. SMUs donors are funding the AD almost exclusively for like 9 years with the ACC move. Schmoozing the big wigs on campus for big games seems uniquely important at this point in time as they raise their profile from G5 to ACC and they seem all in on being at the top of the league regularly. The donors who are big fans too would almost certainly offer to cover whatever they’d make from a Jerryworld move. If I’m right, and I really think I am, they certainly made it clear to LSU that the game will be at Ford and put it in the contract.

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21 hours ago, PGFrog said:

I really am not sure how in the world they would handle a truly full crowd at Ford.

We played above capacity 4 times last season you goofball. Last I checked University Park didn't burn to the ground. 

I know TCU fans have gotten used to thousands of empty seats, though. 

 

I doubt the LSU game isn't a true home and home. I mean we are in the ACC. We played FSU at home last season. Giving LSU a game in death valley then giving them a neutral site game doesn't make any sense. 

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It doesn’t have to be ATT (and, Lord, is ATT a horrible place for college football). The announcement says “Dallas” as the site. There is a large stadium in Dallas, available for games. That stadium has a history with SMU football. Some used to call it “the house that Doak built”. 

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And that would be a large stadium that would be flooded with LSU fans who would outnumber SMU fans 3:1 and has no suites or creature comforts the well-heeled SMU higher ups enjoy. A hot Cotton Bowl on September 1st without suites and all their club levels. Yeah, not happening. The game is going to be at Gerald J Ford Stadium. SMU is not getting paid to play this game. This is a true home and home. 

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4 minutes ago, TexasGary said:

My money is on LSU playing them in Baton Rouge and then finding a reason to cancel the game in Dallas. 

The first game being in Baton Rouge is the clue. 
 
I think the way they played TCU- as the game approached, they threatened to cancel unless it was moved to ATT, and thee schools compromised by canceling the Baton Rouge game. 
 
Maybe I’m wrong. OU has played at Ford at least once. Maybe it’s not a big deal to LSU. It was in 2013, though. 

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1 hour ago, ztejas said:

We played above capacity 4 times last season you goofball. Last I checked University Park didn't burn to the ground. 

I know TCU fans have gotten used to thousands of empty seats, though. 

 

I doubt the LSU game isn't a true home and home. I mean we are in the ACC. We played FSU at home last season. Giving LSU a game in death valley then giving them a neutral site game doesn't make any sense. 

You didn't read my second post did you and yes, we have grown accustomed over the years when playing at Ford to an abundance of empty seats and being able to sit where we wish almost as accustomed to a trip to the bathroom taking 30 minutes due to the lines or last calls for beer being with 5 minutes to go in the second quarter.

SMU had a great season last year and it looks like they have the pieces in place to have another good season, but don't act like crowds have been piling into that oversize high school stadium for years.  

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1 hour ago, statsman said:

The first game being in Baton Rouge is the clue. 
 
I think the way they played TCU- as the game approached, they threatened to cancel unless it was moved to ATT, and thee schools compromised by canceling the Baton Rouge game. 
 
Maybe I’m wrong. OU has played at Ford at least once. Maybe it’s not a big deal to LSU. It was in 2013, though. 

31,500 drunk cajuns is still a danger to society. 

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20 minutes ago, PGFrog said:

SMU had a great season last year and it looks like they have the pieces in place to have another good season, but don't act like crowds have been piling into that oversize high school stadium for years.  

I don't think anyone is acting like that. But SMU has been shitty for years and wasn't in a power conference for 30 of them. 

I'm sure they'll continue to upgrade the amenities as the games consistently now go over 30k.

1 hour ago, statsman said:

Maybe I’m wrong. OU has played at Ford at least once. Maybe it’s not a big deal to LSU. It was in 2013, though.

aggy played at Ford when I was there - so did Baylor. 

1 hour ago, TexasGary said:

My money is on LSU playing them in Baton Rouge and then finding a reason to cancel the game in Dallas. 

Sounds like a contract violation and a fat check. 

LSU knows what they signed up for and guessing they asked for a certain amount of tickets to make it a deal. I'm not sure why we're overcomplicating this. 

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Agree that it'll be at Ford.  They're already trying to sell season tix as a way to guarantee your spot to a game 4 years away.  As an alum I'd be super pissed if I got in now and then they had this game at Jerry World. 

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19 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Sounds like a contract violation and a fat check. 

Like I said, TCU seems to like the payday, and it makes sense for them since they are the closest D1 program to Jerryworld. I think it's silly to suggest that LSU signed a home and home and then refused to play at Carter. Why would they sign to begin with? I also swear I saw somewhere that it was in the contract that if the Cowboys had a new stadium they would consider playing there. I really believe SMU put it air tight in the contract that it'll be at Ford and made it clear to LSU AD why they want it at home.

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