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1 hour ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

I don't know this guy, but he screams New England and he calls out billionaires. Fuck it

 

 

I like this guy. This is what I mean about being centrist but not moderate, as in strong positions about shit that matters for a majority in a way that resonates with them. 

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25 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I like this guy. This is what I mean about being centrist but not moderate, as in strong positions about shit that matters for a majority in a way that resonates with them. 

Haven't delved in, what makes him centrist though

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19 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Haven't delved in, what makes him centrist though

the center is pissed, the center wants cheaper housing and universal healthcare and wants to actually do big things, not lose elections over a handful of special interest group purity tests. 

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13 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

not lose elections over a handful of special interest group purity tests. 

Interesting, perhaps you should elaborate. Which special interests would cause Democrats to lose elections? Do you have data to back this up?

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20 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Interesting, perhaps you should elaborate. Which special interests would cause Democrats to lose elections? Do you have data to back this up?

Are you not familiar with “The Groups”?

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4 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

the center is pissed, the center wants cheaper housing and universal healthcare and wants to actually do big things, not lose elections over a handful of special interest group purity tests. 

Centrist politicians aren't going to get you universal healthcare.

 

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2 hours ago, David Dennison said:

Centrist politicians aren't going to get you universal healthcare.

 

Fuck that. No. Those are *moderate* politicians.
Universal healthcare IS the goddamn center, and if they won’t fight for stuff that 60+ percent of the voting population wants, they aren’t *centrist* politicians in 2025. 
STOP INTERNALIZING REPUBLICAN LINGUISTIC FRAMES

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42 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Fuck that. No. Those are *moderate* politicians.
Universal healthcare IS the goddamn center, and if they won’t fight for stuff that 60+ percent of the voting population wants, they aren’t *centrist* politicians in 2025. 
STOP INTERNALIZING REPUBLICAN LINGUISTIC FRAMES

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

My guy, the majority electoral position in the country - the """MIDDLE""" - chose trump. Recalibrate your enthusiasm 

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45 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Fuck that. No. Those are *moderate* politicians.
Universal healthcare IS the goddamn center, and if they won’t fight for stuff that 60+ percent of the voting population wants, they aren’t *centrist* politicians in 2025. 
STOP INTERNALIZING REPUBLICAN LINGUISTIC FRAMES

That is some mighty fine dancing.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window
My guy, the majority electoral position in the country - the """MIDDLE""" - chose trump. Recalibrate your enthusiasm 

You’re right. But here’s the thing: Bozo also isn’t wrong. A huge chunk of Trump voters actually favor universal healthcare. They just vote against their interests and actual policy preferences because they are idiots, shitty people, etc…and because the Dems can’t communicate for shit.
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3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


You’re right. But here’s the thing: Bozo also isn’t wrong. A huge chunk of Trump voters actually favor universal healthcare. They just vote against their interests and actual policy preferences because they are idiots, shitty people, etc…and because the Dems can’t communicate for shit.

They favor free healthcare for them and people like them. Not universal healthcare. And they'd rather have the shitty system we have now than people not like them also get free healthcare

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11 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


You’re right. But here’s the thing: Bozo also isn’t wrong. A huge chunk of Trump voters actually favor universal healthcare. They just vote against their interests and actual policy preferences because they are idiots, shitty people, etc…and because the Dems can’t communicate for shit.

You know as well as I do that even if the Democrats could communicate for shit, those folks still wouldn't vote for them.

7 minutes ago, safe sex said:

They favor free healthcare for them and people like them. Not universal healthcare. And they'd rather have the shitty system we have now than people not like them also get free healthcare

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19 minutes ago, safe sex said:

They favor free healthcare for them and people like them. Not universal healthcare. And they'd rather have the shitty system we have now than people not like them also get free healthcare

No, don’t be silly. It’s not like they were ever offered that choice. They wanted a public option. When they were sold one they bought it. Twice. It was just never delivered. 
STOP INTERNALIZING REPUBLICAN FRAMING.

 

43 minutes ago, Captainant said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

My guy, the majority electoral position in the country - the """MIDDLE""" - chose trump. 


Don’t be silly- the majority chose rejection of the status quo. Just as they did in 1976, 1980, 1992, 1994, 2000, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2016, 2018, 2020, 2022 & 2024

STOP INTERNALIZING REPUBLICAN FRAMING. 

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20 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

No, don’t be silly. It’s not like they were ever offered that choice. They wanted a public option. When they were sold one they bought it. Twice. It was just never delivered. 
STOP INTERNALIZING REPUBLICAN FRAMING.

 


Don’t be silly- the majority chose rejection of the status quo. Just as they did in 1976, 1980, 1992, 1994, 2000, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2016, 2018, 2020, 2022 & 2024

STOP INTERNALIZING REPUBLICAN FRAMING. 

By the time the bolded period came around, establishment Dems had become circa 70s/80s Republicans. It isn't just messaging hurting the party. Too many older Dems lacking the willingness to make a dramatic left turn on economic policy still hanging around. Just another reason I don't see a course correction in our future absent a major shock to the system. Something bigger than Covid.

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By the time the bolded period came around, establishment Dems had become circa 70s/80s Republicans. It isn't just messaging hurting the party. Too many older Dems lacking the willingness to make a dramatic left turn on economic policy still hanging around. Just another reason I don't see a course correction in our future absent a major shock to the system. Something bigger than Covid.

End of the Republic should do it. Problem is, there won’t be a republic to win elections in anymore, so it won’t matter.


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