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19 hours ago, GJ Winne said:

Maybe, but I also want no part of competing against Stanford, and I don't imagine anyone else in the PAC feels like playing for 2nd in pretty much every sport.

I just think it would be good for Stanford and Cal to get back into a "west coast conference" just because of the still unsettled nature of everything. 

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16 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:

Not for some schools.

I think it’s utterly moronic to think who you play sports with says anything about your academics, but that’s 100% how Stanford and Cal think, as well as large swaths of the Big 10.

The Big 10 only says that because it was already that way not the other way around. The schools that were members for a century were large well funded institutions and had AAU status when shit started blowing up. They proved it’s flexible when they took Nebraska who was already on their way out of the AAU. If a lesser academic institution was in the neighborhood with massive athletics media value they’d take them in a heartbeat that just doesn’t exist up there.

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16 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:

I think it’s utterly moronic to think who you play sports with says anything about your academics, but that’s 100% how Stanford and Cal think, as well as large swaths of the Big 10.

I think the last few years have disabused them of that.  

I feel like Stanford fans, at least, are in the camp of pure survival (those that will do anything to preserve non-football/Olympic sports and still have a football team and or figure out a way to retain all the other sports without a football team).

I can see them joining this non-Power Pac12 and having a competitive football team and still retaining and having success in the non-football sports. 

The ones who are all about academics and don't care about sports would rather us just join the Ivy League or create a West Coast Ivy League. 

Cal and Stanford are going to use academic reputation to recruit, and not to make decisions about conferences. 

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I get the desire to play closer to home, but that ship has sailed for an elite athletics powerhouse like Stanford. Playing in the PAC would fuck their RPI something fierce.  Never mind not having real competition to prepare them for the NCAA's.

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52 minutes ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

I think the last few years have disabused them of that.  

I feel like Stanford fans, at least, are in the camp of pure survival (those that will do anything to preserve non-football/Olympic sports and still have a football team and or figure out a way to retain all the other sports without a football team).

I can see them joining this non-Power Pac12 and having a competitive football team and still retaining and having success in the non-football sports. 

The ones who are all about academics and don't care about sports would rather us just join the Ivy League or create a West Coast Ivy League. 

Cal and Stanford are going to use academic reputation to recruit, and not to make decisions about conferences. 

This seems like a far more logical way of operating.

53 minutes ago, 'stache said:

The Big 10 only says that because it was already that way not the other way around. The schools that were members for a century were large well funded institutions and had AAU status when shit started blowing up. They proved it’s flexible when they took Nebraska who was already on their way out of the AAU. If a lesser academic institution was in the neighborhood with massive athletics media value they’d take them in a heartbeat that just doesn’t exist up there.

The Big 10 is always going on about their academic consortium, like they can only collaborate with schools that are part of their athletic conference, academically.

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I think the talk about academics is an attempt to put a respectable face on the conference expansion money grabs. It's not a secret the Big Ten has always wanted Notre Dame who wasn't in the AAU until 2023. I've always thought Stanford should be in a conference with the UC's or join the University Athletic Association which is composed of peer schools (University of Chicago, Washington University, Carnegie Mellon, etc) that explicitly won't make the academic compromises to play football at a high level.

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Stanford is unique in valuing Olympic sports as much or maybe more than football. They would utterly dominate any lower level league in those sports to the point of lacking any genuine competition. Academic snobbery is still the primary reason they won’t join the Big XII imo, but it’s also true that the average ACC school sponsors more Olympic sports than the average Big XII school (I think). And while the Big XII sponsors a lot of sports some are weird amalgamations of affiliate schools that feel really odd. That could also have played a role in their decision.

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