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2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Quinn had a better OL than Colt had, except Colt wasn't a statue and could make plays with his legs to account for breakdowns. 

 

we all know this already.  what point are you trying to make?  Colt was a much better college QB than Sark and may end up being a better pro.

Colt probably wins 2 NC's with these teams and Sark

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1 minute ago, dcar00 said:

we all know this already.  what point are you trying to make?  Colt was a much better college QB than Sark and may end up being a better pro.

Colt probably wins 2 NC's with these teams and Sark

Glad you finally agree that Quinn wasn’t the good and better QB play wins national titles. It took a long time to get you here and some finessing of words but welcome to the club. 

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5 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Quinn had a better OL than Colt had, except Colt wasn't a statue and could make plays with his legs to account for breakdowns. 

It's not even a new metric you dumb mother fucker. If a QB holds the ball too long the credit doesn't get given to the OL. That is on the QB not getting the ball out or throwing away.

Yes I know Deacon Jones coined the phrase way back in the 60’s.

I promise I watch more football than almost everyone on this board and I have heard that term exactly zero times in sixty years until now.

Analytics?

 

Posted
1 hour ago, Red Five said:

Any minds changed yet?

Yes.  I change my mind from time to time.  But not about anything presented here.

 

I do agree with Bert.  It is not ok to shit on him.

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Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

Glad you finally agree that Quinn wasn’t the good and better QB play wins national titles. It took a long time to get you here and some finessing of words but welcome to the club. 

whatever, you are a moron....

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Just now, Steamboat1874 said:

Yes I know Deacon Jones coined the phrase way back in the 60’s.

I promise I watch more football than almost everyone on this board and I have heard that term exactly zero times in sixty years until now.

Analytics?

 

Dude, if you’re so old you can’t hear, no wonder you haven’t heard the term.

Posted (edited)
2 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

Dude, if you’re so old you can’t hear, no wonder you haven’t heard the term.

In his defense the term is fairly new. Like using the term "space" when referring to rooms in your house.

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Just now, Had Enough said:

Dude, if you’re so old you can’t hear, no wonder you haven’t heard the term.

Please post any or all times when someone says a QB was “self sacked” during or after a game.

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13 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Quinn had a better OL than Colt had, except Colt wasn't a statue and could make plays with his legs to account for breakdowns. 

 

And how did that help Colt in the league? Every player has their shortcomings.

Posted
15 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

The analytics aren’t opinions. The consensus of the scouts isn’t opinions. I don’t expect you to understand this given you have no clue what a men amongst boys was. 

So a consensus (commonly shared opinion) of scouts opinions isn’t… opinions? Saying he wouldn’t understand is just 

Stick Around Bob Ross GIF by Originals

 

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20 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

sark didnt decide to not help his limited QB. OL had a few injuries themselves, but why acknowledge that? 

https://www.secsports.com/sport/football/stats

Rank Team G ATT YDS AVG TD YDS/G
1 Alabama 8 294 1289 4.4 25 161.1
2 Auburn 8 278 1217 4.4 6 152.1
3 Texas 9 319 1378 4.3 11 153.1
4 Texas A&M 8 343 1467 4.3 18 183.4
5 Tennessee 8 361 1534 4.2 14 191.8
6 Florida 8 285 1202 4.2 15 150.3
7 Arkansas 8 291 1174 4.0 14 146.8
8 South Carolina 8 321 1288 4.0 12 161.0
9 Mississippi St. 8 300 1121 3.7 10 140.1
10 Ole Miss 8 307 1141 3.7 11 142.6
11 Missouri 8 327 1208 3.7 11 151.0
12 Georgia 9 286 1029 3.6 17 114.3
13 Vanderbilt 8 279 993 3.6 7 124.1
14 LSU 8 245 864 3.5 9 108.0
15 Kentucky 8 299 969 3.2 4 121.1
16 Oklahoma 8 319 1001 3.1 6 125.1

That is in conference ranking on average yards per. Texas was top 3 in the SEC, that includes QB rushing stats. So lets not shit on the OL too much. I get it they did not run the ball well vs teams with 11 NFL players on defense, but overall they were pretty good. 

I will add that Texas was no. 1 in yards per carry prior to that 9th data point with only UGA having a 9th data point too.

Posted
8 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

Yes I know Deacon Jones coined the phrase way back in the 60’s.

I promise I watch more football than almost everyone on this board and I have heard that term exactly zero times in sixty years until now.

Analytics?

 

Self sacks have been recorded since at least mid 2000s

Posted
3 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

or A&M, Clemson, and Michigan, but why bring that up? 

you were the one that claimed we only couldn't run on teams that had 11 NFL players on defense drafted

Posted (edited)
22 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Banks had some bad moments vs Georgia but I definitely remember moments of self sackage with Quinn

I dont think either OT was 100% to end the year. Cam was looking especially rough the last 2 games. I still question if he should have been out there. Crazy thing is I think Texas will be more athletic on the OL this year. Might be better run blocking group, the prior OLs were more built for pass pro

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Posted (edited)
13 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

we all know this already.  what point are you trying to make?  Colt was a much better college QB than Sark and may end up being a better pro.

Colt probably wins 2 NC's with these teams and Sark

I think your last sentence is the point he’s making.

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6 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

And how did that help Colt in the league? Every player has their shortcomings.

lol wut? I mean Colt had a pretty successful NFL career especially considering his physical limitations. What point do you think you’re making?

I’m not going to continue debating in this thread about Quinn because it’s over, but there are some crazy dumb things being posted in the past day or so.

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17 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Sorry objective analysis and breakdown of Quinn’s game hurts your feel feels. And if that isn’t enough there is also the objective data that he was worse in 24 than 23. Sorry about objective information. 

So this is Derka's sock account.  You try to strengthen your argument by using terms you clearly do not understand incorrectly, even after this was pointed out to you.  A consensus of opinions is not objective data.  Otherwise Sanders was the #1/ or #2 QB taken in the draft.    Also telling someone to take Xanax is a shot at their mental health, and yet you complain about being teased for your struggles.  

It is really strange that you cannot handle disagreement and that you resort to fallacies and bombastic misrepresentations to try to self-sooth (including using a second account) or the use of repetition of words you must have recently learned.  I called you out because you were being kind of an ass on here, and for days you have claimed to have the receipts but you have failed to produce any evidence to support your claims.   You latched on to a draft order as an indicator of a different league of how important a player was to a college team and university, because you failed in every other measure to demonstrate otherwise.   

Speaking of which, In one brief study, looking at those players based solely on position who were drafted from 2000-2019, and defining success measured by second year contracts, Centers are at 92%, Tackles at 59% and Guards at 50%.  All other positions are worse than a coin flip.   So using this as a metric for evaluating the collegic impact and performance is anything but objective.   It doesn't even bode well for the experts (save for the evaluation of centers).   If you put in a little bit of effort, you would have discovered this for yourself.  You would have also noticed how the consensus failed to predict Sanders draft, and how several podcast/youtube hosts went into CYA mode to point blame back at Sanders for being drafted below the podcasters expectations.  This should have given you pause as to the value of these folks opinions, especially when trying to contrast it with real figures and performance.   

 

 

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5 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

I think your last sentence is the point he’s making.

yes Colt is a much better college QB than Will Howard also.  a Colt McCoy level QB wasn't on our team the last 2 years. That is on Sark.

We also win the NC with a better OL.  

 

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Just now, dcar00 said:

yes Colt is a much better than Will Howard also.  a Colt McCoy level QB wasn't on our team the last 2 years. That is on Sark.

We also win the NC with a better OL.  

 

Agreed. But to BO&Ws point, that’s what he has been saying all along. This oline, and team, was good enough to win a title if we had someone better at QB. 

Y’all agree so I’m not sure what the disconnect is.

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2 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Agreed. But to BO&Ws point, that’s what he has been saying all along. This oline, and team, was good enough to win a title if we had someone better at QB. 

Y’all agree so I’m not sure what the disconnect is.

the QB was good enough if we had a better OL.

Funny thing that nfl.com has Ewers combine grade as better than Howard's.  quinn is good backup potential starter, howard is avg backup or special teamer.

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7 minutes ago, Nivek said:

So this is Derka's sock account.  You try to strengthen your argument by using terms you clearly do not understand incorrectly, even after this was pointed out to you.  A consensus of opinions is not objective data.  Otherwise Sanders was the #1/ or #2 QB taken in the draft.    Also telling someone to take Xanax is a shot at their mental health, and yet you complain about being teased for your struggles.  

It is really strange that you cannot handle disagreement and that you resort to fallacies and bombastic misrepresentations to try to self-sooth (including using a second account) or the use of repetition of words you must have recently learned.  I called you out because you were being kind of an ass on here, and for days you have claimed to have the receipts but you have failed to produce any evidence to support your claims.   You latched on to a draft order as an indicator of a different league of how important a player was to a college team and university, because you failed in every other measure to demonstrate otherwise.   

Speaking of which, In one brief study, looking at those players based solely on position who were drafted from 2000-2019, and defining success measured by second year contracts, Centers are at 92%, Tackles at 59% and Guards at 50%.  All other positions are worse than a coin flip.   So using this as a metric for evaluating the collegic impact and performance is anything but objective.   It doesn't even bode well for the experts (save for the evaluation of centers).   If you put in a little bit of effort, you would have discovered this for yourself.  You would have also noticed how the consensus failed to predict Sanders draft, and how several podcast/youtube hosts went into CYA mode to point blame back at Sanders for being drafted below the podcasters expectations.  This should have given you pause as to the value of these folks opinions, especially when trying to contrast it with real figures and performance.   

 

 

Those were all nfl scout opinions, not media. Those opinions were based on Quinn’s film and body of work which is “objective material” they used to formulate the analysis. 
 

So Sanders and Quinn’s draft positions are further proven to be accurate by their analysis. Is what it is, neither of those QBs are “good” 

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Just now, dcar00 said:

the QB was good enough if we had a better OL.

He was not. Because the analytics and scouts say he doesn’t handle pressure well and once his first read goes away he doesn’t perform well. Being able to react to pressure and adjust the reads is part of excelling at that position and being a good QB. 

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Just now, dcar00 said:

the QB was good enough if we had a better OL.

I mean sure. But you’re talking about upgrading from a top 5 offensive line to a top 1 offensive line. The Quinn argument is that if you upgrade from him there’s a lot of upgrades available. It’s not crazy to say Quinn was outside the top 20 QBs in the nation. It might not even be crazy to go higher on that number.

Again, I’m not trying to argue about this because who cares anymore, just saying it kinda seems like you’re agreeing with him but just trying to disagree because reasons.

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15 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

lol wut? I mean Colt had a pretty successful NFL career especially considering his physical limitations. What point do you think you’re making?

I’m not going to continue debating in this thread about Quinn because it’s over, but there are some crazy dumb things being posted in the past day or so.

He also had physical limitations is exactly my point.

Posted
7 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

He also had physical limitations is exactly my point.

Quinn’s limitations are mostly not physical. He’s a bit slight and a bit short, but that’s not why there’s questions about his ability to play in the NFL. He’s a project for an NFL team.

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31 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

I mean sure. But you’re talking about upgrading from a top 5 offensive line to a top 1 offensive line. The Quinn argument is that if you upgrade from him there’s a lot of upgrades available. It’s not crazy to say Quinn was outside the top 20 QBs in the nation. It might not even be crazy to go higher on that number.

Again, I’m not trying to argue about this because who cares anymore, just saying it kinda seems like you’re agreeing with him but just trying to disagree because reasons.

exactly. one person is arguing that the issue was all Quinn/QB play, one is not.

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26 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

Quinn led the SEC in passing TD's with 17 and didn't get to feast on Miss State.

He was tied for 1st with Milroe with 18 total TD's in conference play.

ahh yes, the miss state game, the one where arch got to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was bigger, faster, stronger, more accurate, smarter, more mobile, stronger arm, better when the play breaks down, etc, than quinn ewers. 

also, total td throws, along with every other stat i’ve seen that’s supposedly in quinn’s favor (like his career passing yards, or the fact that he was 2nd team all sec or whatever) are all old school, antiquated, outdated stats and accolades that aren’t nearly as relevant in 2025 as they were 20+ years ago. we have advanced analytics now, which is why we can look back and say, “yeah, derek jeter won five gold gloves, but he objectively was not a good defensive ss.” that’s what we have here. on the surface you can say, “he was second in td passes and selected to the all-sec team!” and make it seem like he was good, but the moment you look a little closer it becomes obvious that that’s not the case.

being second in the league in td passes is ostensibly nice, but a)17 is actually a pretty goddamn pedestrian number considering the talent around him + our easy schedule, and b)you don’t have to look very deep into the advanced analytics- the exact data that nfl teams use to scout and draft players- to see that quinn was a bottom-tier sec qb, and nowhere near even the middle of the pack nationally. what’s crazy is that all of this aligns with the eyeball test, and yet here we are, still debating his supposed greatness.

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Posted
4 minutes ago, immamac said:

This is the thread that keeps on giving. I don't know that it will ever die. 

"I know that QE has been retired from the NFL for 38 years from now, but I still cant grasp how he got in the league way back in '25"

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Posted
6 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

exactly. one person is arguing that the issue was all Quinn/QB play, one is not.

we’re talking about *the main* reason texas didn’t reach its potential, so yeah, it comes down to one person/unit. quinn ewers underperformed and failed to pull his weight more than any other player or unit, period. 

Posted
1 hour ago, dcar00 said:

someone claimed repeatedly that it was quinn that personally led Texas to the playoffs?

I cant recall seeing this either, but maybe one rando in a game thread may have mixed it in on those high speed threads.  ???

Posted
4 minutes ago, Derka said:

ahh yes, the miss state game, the one where arch got to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was bigger, faster, stronger, more accurate, smarter, more mobile, stronger arm, better when the play breaks down, etc, than quinn ewers. 

also, total td throws, along with every other stat i’ve seen that’s supposedly in quinn’s favor (like his career passing yards, or the fact that he was 2nd team all sec or whatever) are all old school, antiquated, outdated stats and accolades that aren’t nearly as relevant in 2025 as they were 20+ years ago. we have advanced analytics now, which is why we can objectively look back and say, “yeah, derek jeter won five gold gloves, but he factually was  it a good defensive ss.” that’s what we have here. on the surface you can say, “he was second in td passes and selected to the all-sec team!” and make it seem like he was good, but the moment you look a little closer it becomes obvious that that’s not the case.

being second in the league in td passes is ostensibly nice, but a)17 is actually a pretty goddamn pedestrian number considering the talent around him + our easy schedule, and b)you don’t have to look very deep into the advanced analytics- the exact data that nfl teams use to scout and draft players- to see that quinn was a bottom-tier sec qb, and nowhere near even the middle of the pack nationally. what’s crazy is that all of this aligns with the eyeball test, and yet here we are, still debating his supposed greatness.

Fuck Derek Jeter

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10 minutes ago, markstanco said:

I cant recall seeing this either, but maybe one rando in a game thread may have mixed it in on those high speed threads.  ???

number of times i’ve seen “quinn led texas to back to back playoffs” or “quinn turned around the program and brought us back to the top”, either here, twitter, reddit, whatever: incalculable

number of times i’ve seen any other individual player, unit, or coach given that same praise: 0

which is crazy, considering that if any one person brought us back it was sark, and that QE is actually the least deserving member of the program to be singled out for such praise.

beyond that, when jahdae barron, kelvin banks, and matthew golden declared for the draft there was minimal feed back or attention given to it from Longhorn Nation. and yet when quinn, the guy who showed up to campus unkempt and overweight, who had to transform himself over the folllowing summer to get in shape, only to still end up as our team’s weak link, declared for the draft, all of those same social media sites, including this one, experienced an outright deluge of, “thank you quinn- seriously, from the bottom of my heart- thank you, for everything. i’ll never forget you and what you did for this program. Longhorn Legend. 🙏🏼”. 

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that’s that cult like worship shit i’ve been talking about. a bunch of grown men going online and effusively praising our borderline worst player like he’s some religious leader who saved them from eternal damnation, when in reality he was the no.1 reason that his absolutely loaded teams didn’t even make it to the title game, forget winning it once or twice. i seriously, seriously doubt i will ever see such fawning and heartfelt praise for a more milquetoast, mediocre player in my entire life. the praise this guy has been given has been beyond undeserved- it’s been downright creepy.

Posted
14 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

This thread is insane. And you people are insane for positing in it. 

"You're not in traffic, you are traffic."

Also, here's another Quinn gif. 

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Not the classic moon-shot to Worthy that everyone remembers, but the somewhat less appreciated "nail in the coffin" throw to AD in the 4th. 

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Posted
8 minutes ago, Derka said:

number of times i’ve seen “quinn led texas to back to back playoffs” or “quinn turned around the program and brought us back to the top”, either here, twitter, reddit, whatever: incalculable

JFC he was the fucking quarterback. We went from shitty to (briefly) number one with him under center. What do you expect people to say?

Posted
14 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

JFC he was the fucking quarterback. We went from shitty to (briefly) number one with him under center. What do you expect people to say?

Why are you attacking him?  This is so unfair!

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Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, dcar00 said:

Colt probably wins 2 NC's with these teams and Sark

But we probably aren’t able to build those recruiting classes and teams if Colt was the QB recruit. It would have had to be the perfect storm where he’s the 2nd QB in the class (like he was) and the 5 star QB in the class attracts all the other top recruits and then gets hurt or otherwise loses the job to 3-star Colt. Might not land Arch in this silly hypothetical either, so if Colt gets hurt in a playoff or championship, the backup isn’t particularly good or ready… wait...

 

true detective mel GIF

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42 minutes ago, Derka said:

number of times i’ve seen “quinn led texas to back to back playoffs” or “quinn turned around the program and brought us back to the top”, either here, twitter, reddit, whatever: incalculable

number of times i’ve seen any other individual player, unit, or coach given that same praise: 0

which is crazy, considering that if any one person brought us back it was sark, and that QE is actually the least deserving member of the program to be singled out for such praise.

beyond that, when jahdae barron, kelvin banks, and matthew golden declared for the draft there was minimal feed back or attention given to it from Longhorn Nation. and yet when quinn, the guy who showed up to campus unkempt and overweight, who had to transform himself over the folllowing summer to get in shape, only to still end up as our team’s weak link, declared for the draft, all of those same social media sites, including this one, experienced an outright deluge of, “thank you quinn- seriously, from the bottom of my heart- thank you, for everything. i’ll never forget you and what you did for this program. Longhorn Legend. 🙏🏼”. 

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that’s that cult like worship shit i’ve been talking about. a bunch of grown men going online and effusively praising our borderline worst player like he’s some religious leader who saved them from eternal damnation, when in reality he was the no.1 reason that his absolutely loaded teams didn’t even make it to the title game, forget winning it once or twice. i seriously, seriously doubt i will ever see such fawning and heartfelt praise for a more milquetoast, mediocre player in my entire life. the praise this guy has been given has been beyond undeserved- it’s been downright creepy.

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 the one where arch got to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was bigger, faster, stronger, more accurate, smarter, more mobile, stronger arm, better when the play breaks down, etc,

BOLD  = Anecdotes, possibly more Derkian objectional truth. Not a product of his selective feed/search.

Italics = Everyone, we need to thank other players more and send your thanks and praise via CC or PM to Derka/BOW.  He will let us all know when it was sufficient. 

Underlined = No receipts for the supposed cult like behavior of others towards QE, then posts the pussy-on-a-pedestal post above. 

Note how Derka leaves out Xavier Worthy who wanted to work with QE, and was trying to recruit Barron to Texas as well.   And who recruited QE to Texas from Ohio State.  

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