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32 minutes ago, immamac said:

Its actually hilarious that there's so much film on this guy and you guys have seen most if not all of it repeatedly and you still haven't come to a consensus because of emotional garbage or who knows what. 

Quinn Ewers was painfully adequate. That's the enigma here. 

He was obviously an elite talent, who has head scratching mediocre film for a substantial amount of his career. 

He also has a pretty crazy highlight reel that is easily top 5 every season he played. Dude makes insane throws and had incredible touch. 

He also had complete shitfest games that are inexcusable at his level or for an NFL caliber player. Think OK State + Georgia reg season

Everyone has arguments that are correct on aspects or portions of his body of work, but Quinn as the complete body of work is just Painfully Adequate. 

Couldn't agree more, we'll chalk him up as a pussy just to be safe and cover all bases as well.

9 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said:

Was Ewers going to check downs quickly because he was hurt or trying to avoid being hurt? We all know he was still dinged up pretty good at the end of the year.

Probably because he's lost post snap on his progressions and the easiest way to avoid getting hurt or hit is to check down fast. How often does he stand in the pocket and take a shot to get a pass off? See the above designation to explain why that may be.

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44 minutes ago, immamac said:

Its actually hilarious that there's so much film on this guy and you guys have seen most if not all of it repeatedly and you still haven't come to a consensus because of emotional garbage or who knows what. 

Quinn Ewers was painfully adequate. That's the enigma here. 

He was obviously an elite talent, who has head scratching mediocre film for a substantial amount of his career. 

He also has a pretty crazy highlight reel that is easily top 5 every season he played. Dude makes insane throws and had incredible touch. 

He also had complete shitfest games that are inexcusable at his level or for an NFL caliber player. Think OK State + Georgia reg season

Everyone has arguments that are correct on aspects or portions of his body of work, but Quinn as the complete body of work is just Painfully Adequate. 

It's a bimodal curve where he has high highs but low lows, which averages out to being...average. Usually if a player is good, bad, or average at certain aspects of the game, they'll be good, bad, or average at most aspects of the game. But it's baffling for a player to be simultaneously so great in some aspects and so disappointing in others that people (often very vocal people) don't know how to process it. 

What I think you're ignoring, and what actually pisses me off in this thread, is the people that demonstrate genuine antipathy towards Ewers. Saying stupid shit like he "cost us a national championship" or delighting in his draft plummet are bizarre behaviors and belong more on TexAgs than on here. Especially when guys like Sark, Jahdae Barron, and the rest of the QB room all consistently sing Ewers' praises and talk about how much he's done for the program. So even though I think you're correct about Quinn's performance as a QB, I think the "emotional garbage" that's being drawn out in this thread has more to do with people shitting on Ewers (because they have the emotional intelligence of a particularly callous hamster) and people defending Ewers because they don't like seeing their QB get shit on. And I find it pretty easy to side with the latter group. 

Also, here's another Quinn gif. Been sitting on it for a while:

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7 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

It's a bimodal curve where he has high highs but low lows, which averages out to being...average. Usually if a player is good, bad, or average at certain aspects of the game, they'll be good, bad, or average at most aspects of the game. But it's baffling for a player to be simultaneously so great in some aspects and so disappointing in others that people (often very vocal people) don't know how to process it. 

What I think you're ignoring, and what actually pisses me off in this thread, is the people that demonstrate genuine antipathy towards Ewers. Saying stupid shit like he "cost us a national championship" or delighting in his draft plummet are bizarre behaviors and belong more on TexAgs than on here. Especially when guys like Sark, Jahdae Barron, and the rest of the QB room all consistently sing Ewers' praises and talk about how much he's done for the program. So you even though I think you're correct about Quinn's performance as a QB, I think the "emotional garbage" that's being drawn out in this thread has more to do with people shitting on Ewers (because they have the emotional intelligence of a particularly callous hamster) and people defending Ewers because they don't like seeing their QB get shit on. And I find it pretty easy to side with the latter group. 

I'd say his highs are fewer than his lows...even in games we won down the stretch he didn't play well at all. His best game in the second half of the season was against Florida who was missing something like 3/4 starters or 4/5 starters in the secondary.

 

Regarding your bold, do you or do you not believe a consistent higher level of QB play makes this team better? 

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4 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

I'd say his highs are fewer than his lows...even in games we won down the stretch he didn't play well at all. His best game in the second half of the season was against Florida who was missing something like 3/4 starters or 4/5 starters in the secondary.

 

Regarding your bold, do you or do you not believe a consistent higher level of QB play makes this team better? 

I think counterfactuals are stupid and pointless. We might have won a national championship with a different QB. We might have gone 7-5 with a different QB. There's no way of knowing and pretending like one can is immature and ignorant. 

What I can say is that, for all his faults, we did very well with Quinn at QB. And if you're not willing to give him credit for how well we did, then you can't blame him for us falling short either. It's a team sport. 

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7 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

I think counterfactuals are stupid and pointless. We might have won a national championship with a different QB. We might have gone 7-5 with a different QB. There's no way of knowing and pretending like one can is immature and ignorant. 

What I can say is that, for all his faults, we did very well with Quinn at QB. And if you're not willing to give him credit for how well we did, then you can't blame him for us falling short either. It's a team sport. 

I never took away any credit for how well we did, in fact show me where I did. But I'm also not going to pump sunshine and act like that was all because of him. The teams he played on the past two years have had more NFL players than any other teams in the history of our school(see record number of picks).  Outside of RB due to injuries it is not out of the realm to say that QB was the weakest position of the team in 2024. It also happens to be the most important position in the game. And I don't see how you can say having better QB play could net worse results, that's just pure idiocy. Tom Brady going to Tampa and taking the same team Jameis played on to a winning super bowl shows this. But that's the thing with the people who blindly say Quinn is the reason, Quinn did well, Quin did blah blah blah, they can't admit the opposite. It took until after Quinn was done playing for ThatGuy to admit that Quinn had faults instead of blaming everyone else but Quinn. 

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Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

I never took away any credit for how well we did, in fact show me where I did. But I'm also not going to pump sunshine and act like that was all because of him. The teams he played on the past two years have had more NFL players than any other teams in the history of our school(see record number of picks).  Outside of RB due to injuries it is not out of the realm to say that QB was the weakest position of the team in 2024. It also happens to be the most important position in the game. And I don't see how you can say having better QB play could net worse results, that's just pure idiocy. But that's the thing with the people who blindly say Quinn is the reason, Quinn did well, Quin did blah blah blah, they can't admit the opposite. It took until after Quinn was done playing for ThatGuy to admit that Quinn had faults instead of blaming everyone else but Quinn. 

Ok, cool. 

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Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

I never took away any credit for how well we did, in fact show me where I did. But I'm also not going to pump sunshine and act like that was all because of him.

Who exactly is doing that?  What the fuck is your malfunction?

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1 hour ago, immamac said:

Its actually hilarious that there's so much film on this guy and you guys have seen most if not all of it repeatedly and you still haven't come to a consensus because of emotional garbage or who knows what. 

Quinn Ewers was painfully adequate. That's the enigma here. 

He was obviously an elite talent, who has head scratching mediocre film for a substantial amount of his career. 

He also has a pretty crazy highlight reel that is easily top 5 every season he played. Dude makes insane throws and had incredible touch. 

He also had complete shitfest games that are inexcusable at his level or for an NFL caliber player. Think OK State + Georgia reg season

Everyone has arguments that are correct on aspects or portions of his body of work, but Quinn as the complete body of work is just Painfully Adequate. 

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9 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Texas fans on Twitter, TikTok, IG, etc.

Oh for fuck's sake some stupid talking head says something stupid and you use it in an argument with a bunch of people who aren't saying anything of the sort?   Seek help.

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8 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

 

Oh for fuck's sake some stupid talking head says something stupid and you use it in an argument with a bunch of people who aren't saying anything of the sort?   Seek help.

It's quite literally the narrative outside of Surly. 

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1 hour ago, immamac said:

Its actually hilarious that there's so much film on this guy and you guys have seen most if not all of it repeatedly and you still haven't come to a consensus because of emotional garbage or who knows what. 

Quinn Ewers was painfully adequate. That's the enigma here. 

He was obviously an elite talent, who has head scratching mediocre film for a substantial amount of his career. 

He also has a pretty crazy highlight reel that is easily top 5 every season he played. Dude makes insane throws and had incredible touch. 

He also had complete shitfest games that are inexcusable at his level or for an NFL caliber player. Think OK State + Georgia reg season

Everyone has arguments that are correct on aspects or portions of his body of work, but Quinn as the complete body of work is just Painfully Adequate. 

Shit, man, it's meaningless but I can agree with this take. It feels like a lot of us get pushed into a this-or-that corner with no space for argument, and by a relatively small number of choose-sides contributors.

But, you know, congrats on having the Worst. Thread. Ever. now that the wrestling forum is gone.

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Also, there's a lot besides his play that has to do with that narrative - I also think that without Quinn coming back that Texas would have taken significantly longer to become dominant, and that's not because he was just some guy that put everyone on his back, it was because it made Texas relevant and he was a significant draw for A LOT of additional talent, especially on the offensive side of the ball. He also started off with a very high floor, even when quinn was playing poorly it was still good enough to win the majority of the games. He definitely had some help with schedule etc early on with a really weak big xii and an Oklahoma that was floundering etc but lets not sit here and fucking pretend that we are where we are without Quinn transferring in from Ohio State. The gravitational pull he had, and kept even after his first season was incredible. Now did that fade going into 2024? Sure, he got passed up by Arch and everyone really wanted Arch to have been playing and Quinn to have left anyway, but if he just plays 2022 and 2023 seasons I still maintain that everyone here think's he's a fucking legend. In 2024 the team made back to back semifinals, the only team to have done it and that wouldn't have happened without Quinn's involvement in the program. I don't think that means that HE GOT Texas to the Semis, it just wouldn't have happened without all the steps that happened because he was around. 

There's a lot more than the first order effect of him playing that went into the evaluation that he brought Texas all the way back. 

 

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Its actually hilarious that there's so much film on this guy and you guys have seen most if not all of it repeatedly and you still haven't come to a consensus because of emotional garbage or who knows what. 
Quinn Ewers was painfully adequate. That's the enigma here. 
He was obviously an elite talent, who has head scratching mediocre film for a substantial amount of his career. 
He also has a pretty crazy highlight reel that is easily top 5 every season he played. Dude makes insane throws and had incredible touch. 
He also had complete shitfest games that are inexcusable at his level or for an NFL caliber player. Think OK State + Georgia reg season
Everyone has arguments that are correct on aspects or portions of his body of work, but Quinn as the complete body of work is just Painfully Adequate. 

I’m telling you, we don’t do mediocre well at QB. Take Jake Majors, or Jerrin Thompson, or Gbenda. Adequate college players. Drafted late or not at all. Could make an NFL roster, or maybe not. We don’t fight about them.

But Ewers is a QB, and we put those into two categories: Legends, and absolute fucking garbage who we will piss on for eternity. The legends are easy (VY, Colt) as are the others (Gilbert, Swoopes).

The ones in the middle are where the fights happen. Chris Simms, Sam Ehlinger, Quinn Ewers.
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1 hour ago, immamac said:

Its actually hilarious that there's so much film on this guy and you guys have seen most if not all of it repeatedly and you still haven't come to a consensus because of emotional garbage or who knows what. 

Quinn Ewers was painfully adequate. That's the enigma here. 

He was obviously an elite talent, who has head scratching mediocre film for a substantial amount of his career. 

He also has a pretty crazy highlight reel that is easily top 5 every season he played. Dude makes insane throws and had incredible touch. 

He also had complete shitfest games that are inexcusable at his level or for an NFL caliber player. Think OK State + Georgia reg season

Everyone has arguments that are correct on aspects or portions of his body of work, but Quinn as the complete body of work is just Painfully Adequate. 

you mentioned this earlier but I think his inconsistency is directly tied to always being injured/coming back from injuries. He wasn't the same player against Georgia that he was against Michigan.

Daniel Jeremiah mentioned that he didn't feel that Ewers took that "next step" this year. It's hard to grow as a player when you're spending 4-6 weeks every season in the trainer's room rehabbing another injury.

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39 minutes ago, immamac said:

Also, there's a lot besides his play that has to do with that narrative - I also think that without Quinn coming back that Texas would have taken significantly longer to become dominant, and that's not because he was just some guy that put everyone on his back, it was because it made Texas relevant and he was a significant draw for A LOT of additional talent, especially on the offensive side of the ball. He also started off with a very high floor, even when quinn was playing poorly it was still good enough to win the majority of the games. He definitely had some help with schedule etc early on with a really weak big xii and an Oklahoma that was floundering etc but lets not sit here and fucking pretend that we are where we are without Quinn transferring in from Ohio State. The gravitational pull he had, and kept even after his first season was incredible. 

You’re going to have to do some reconciling for me here.

First, Sark has NFL ties.  He was OC for a Heisman QB with multiple highly drafted WRs/RBs.  Presumably that was a draw here for Ewers.  That draw for other QBs is here whether Ewers ever shows up, right?

You referenced the draws for other offensive guys.  We are now in year 5 of the Sark regime.  3 NFL TEs later, none of which Sark recruited. In year 5, we got a portal TE because we were not satisfied with our TE.

WR.  Worthy here already.  Whitt here already.  I guess maybe Mitchell but after 2022?  I suppose Bond, Golden, Boldin.  But none the less the high school pipeline has had modest returns.  Year 5, and we’re still hitting the portal.  

I suppose the Oline guys that all committed about the same time, but there were certainly other factors at play.  Conner, Majors, Jones were all here.

The RB room.  Pretty stacked when Sark arrived.  Injuries impacted it last year.  I guess #4 who has had somewhat limited impact thus far.

Coburn, Ojomo, Sweat, Murphy, Collins, Broughton, DMO, Ford, Jahdae, Sorrell, Taaffe all were here.  Then guys who contributed Gbenda, Blackwell, Thompson.  Odd that Collin Simmons would come for one year to watch Ewers from the sideline.

Perhaps he did some behind the scenes work to keep guys here.  It’s all pretty convoluted with NIL and all associated with that.

 

It is true that you change any variable about the past then the outcome changes.  And we’ve had pretty good outcomes the past two years.

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34 minutes ago, Red Five said:


I’m telling you, we don’t do mediocre well at QB. Take Jake Majors, or Jerrin Thompson, or Gbenda. Adequate college players. Drafted late or not at all. Could make an NFL roster, or maybe not. We don’t fight about them.
 

There’s been ample complaints about those guys. Quite often more negative than positive.  But, yes, the QB amplifies that by a 1000.

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24 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

WR.  Worthy here already.  Whitt here already.  I guess maybe Mitchell but after 2022?  I suppose Bond, Golden, Boldin.  But none the less the high school pipeline has had modest returns.

"Modest" given the older guys on the roster, but Wingo (at least) shows clear NFL potential.  Cook could have.

I don't think it's ridiculous to say that Ewers had a part in bringing in a lot of talent.

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Whats happened in this thread is there are essentially 3 schools of thought, and all of them are very common, particularly regarding the QB within Texas sports.

You have one small group who's decided to largely hate on Quinn.

You have one group that thinks Quinn is the sole reason we won every game and the ONLY reason Texas is is back contenting for championships. 

Then you have a third group that recognized what Quinn brought to Texas football regarding recruiting and visibility as well as his skills and contributions on the field. That same third group largely started to see the issues and flaws in Quinns game. However, anytime they supported Quinn or criticized Quinn group 1 or 2 went full regards on why those people were idiots. Some of this 3rd group even pointed out that not making a shift in 2024 when it was clear Quinn had dropped off, was not best for the long term vision. Sometimes those same people made sure it was clear, THAT choice, not to switch fell fully on the head coach Sark.

However, just like in politics, the more rational, even keeled folks that saw flaws and good things in Quinn's play or that he was "painfully adequate" were always shouted down by outliers on one side or the other. Its continued with silly "In Quinn we trust and we love you Quinn" posts to "Why do people want to see Quinn fail in the NFL so badly". Those are the squeaky wheels that get the grease.

The people in the middle, that want Quinn to succeed in the NFL but feel vindicated by the NFL agreement that he's painfully adequate and may well not succeed are overlooked or ignored. The people that both recognize his contributions and flaws while refusing to hero worship are flumoxed by the continuous binary views on either side. 

It's pretty much just like any politics discussion. The people on team 1 or 2 believe if you're not on THEIR team, you're on the other team. 

We aren't on either team. 

But I'm sure they will lob me and this post into one of them.

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28 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

You’re going to have to do some reconciling for me here.

First, Sark has NFL ties.  He was OC for a Heisman QB with multiple highly drafted WRs/RBs.  Presumably that was a draw here for Ewers.  That draw for other QBs is here whether Ewers ever shows up, right?

You referenced the draws for other offensive guys.  We are now in year 5 of the Sark regime.  3 NFL TEs later, none of which Sark recruited. In year 5, we got a portal TE because we were not satisfied with our TE.

WR.  Worthy here already.  Whitt here already.  I guess maybe Mitchell but after 2022?  I suppose Bond, Golden, Boldin.  But none the less the high school pipeline has had modest returns.  Year 5, and we’re still hitting the portal.  

I suppose the Oline guys that all committed about the same time, but there were certainly other factors at play.  Conner, Majors, Jones were all here.

The RB room.  Pretty stacked when Sark arrived.  Injuries impacted it last year.  I guess #4 who has had somewhat limited impact thus far.

Coburn, Ojomo, Sweat, Murphy, Collins, Broughton, DMO, Ford, Jahdae, Sorrell, Taaffe all were here.  Then guys who contributed Gbenda, Blackwell, Thompson.  Odd that Collin Simmons would come for one year to watch Ewers from the sideline.

Perhaps he did some behind the scenes work to keep guys here.  It’s all pretty convoluted with NIL and all associated with that.

 

It is true that you change any variable about the past then the outcome changes.  And we’ve had pretty good outcomes the past two years.

Does anyone think Arch Manning would have come to Texas if we had some other golden boy with years of eligibility at QB? Or if Quinn was a jackass? People don't give Ewers the credit he deserves for handling that with such grace and relaxation.

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3 hours ago, immamac said:

He was obviously an elite talent, who has head scratching mediocre film for a substantial amount of his career. 

I mean... it's not head-scratching. That's why I keep pointing out Kurt Warner's analysis; there's no mystery at all to why some of his passes worked and some didn't. None. Zero. Zip.

1. He got sloppy with his footwork and trusted his arm too much. A classic case of someone relying on their talent beyond the point where that's really possible.

2. He made incorrect reads or made the reads too slowly. Honestly, he was better at this than most of the guys drafted ahead of him.

And that's why I think this discussion is dumb: The good and bad of Ewers are all well-known, but people are trying to talk around it and avoid the facts for whatever stupid reason they have.

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1 hour ago, Red Five said:


I’m telling you, we don’t do mediocre well at QB. Take Jake Majors, or Jerrin Thompson, or Gbenda. Adequate college players. Drafted late or not at all. Could make an NFL roster, or maybe not. We don’t fight about them.

But Ewers is a QB, and we put those into two categories: Legends, and absolute fucking garbage who we will piss on for eternity. The legends are easy (VY, Colt) as are the others (Gilbert, Swoopes).

The ones in the middle are where the fights happen. Chris Simms, Sam Ehlinger, Quinn Ewers.

This is spot on. The QBs who aren't definitive undeniable studs are the ones that cause the most aneurysms. Probably with any fan base.

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3 hours ago, Park Gothic said:

It's a bimodal curve where he has high highs but low lows,

this reminds me more of james brown, chris simms, or young VY. ewers was mostly below average with a handful of “wow” throws per game. not to mention those throws were almost (literally?) exclusively touch passes where he lobbed a teardrop into a tight window. it was never him firing a bullet through a tight window, or him scrambling, keeping the play alive, and throwing across his body for a big time 3rd and 8 conversion. it was always him throwing a teardrop from a clean pocket. that’s his special skill.

so i wouldn’t describe him as an up and down qb, i’d describe him as a consistently below average qb who would occasionally make a touch pass that made you say “wow”. but with that said, throwing the ball is only a small fraction of what a qb does, and his occasional spectacular throws don’t come close to evening out the rest of his below average abilities and performance.

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Does anyone think Arch Manning would have come to Texas if we had some other golden boy with years of eligibility at QB? Or if Quinn was a jackass? People don't give Ewers the credit he deserves for handling that with such grace and relaxation.

Arch said he came because of Sark and the qb coach, didn’t he?
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25 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

You have one group that thinks Quinn is the sole reason we won every game and the ONLY reason Texas is is back contenting for championships. 

Can you please name names?  From surlyhorns?  I keep asking this, and nobody seems to be able to point the finger.

I'll suggest two:  @strawman and @redherring

It's bullshit.

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25 minutes ago, Drew said:

How the fuck has this thread grown 10 pages since sunday, if not more...and this many since the end of the draft. Jesus.

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It's a mystery to me. 😉

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Jake Majors ended up being good, the other tw

1 hour ago, Red Five said:

Take Jake Majors, or Jerrin Thompson, or Gbenda

Jake Majors was bitched about a ton early, he got better but ended up average but we saw improvement.

Jerrin Thompson was slow and ass, so he transferred.

Gbenda was found goods....I don't think many expected him to contribute so any positives was a win.

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16 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Can you please name names?  From surlyhorns?  I keep asking this, and nobody seems to be able to point the finger.

I'll suggest two:  @strawman and @redherring

It's bullshit.

Lol you and I covered this ground before @Thatguywas the clear leader but there are plenty of others.

But here we are again... 

How many "Quinn brought us back." Posts would you like me to find?

If you're so tone def you only see 1 side of the anti/pro aspects...  guess what... 😘

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1 hour ago, Red Five said:


I’m telling you, we don’t do mediocre well at QB. Take Jake Majors, or Jerrin Thompson, or Gbenda. Adequate college players. Drafted late or not at all. Could make an NFL roster, or maybe not. We don’t fight about them.

But Ewers is a QB, and we put those into two categories: Legends, and absolute fucking garbage who we will piss on for eternity. The legends are easy (VY, Colt) as are the others (Gilbert, Swoopes).

The ones in the middle are where the fights happen. Chris Simms, Sam Ehlinger, Quinn Ewers.

that's not unique to Austin by any stretch, that's just football fandom. The QB is the lightning rod position. If you're winning national championships/superbowls or at least exceeding fan expectations more often than not, the weather is pretty sunny. If a team continually fails to meet the fanbase's expectations, then the QB gets lit up. Its the nature of the position. 

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43 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

I mean... it's not head-scratching. That's why I keep pointing out Kurt Warner's analysis; there's no mystery at all to why some of his passes worked and some didn't. None. Zero. Zip.

1. He got sloppy with his footwork and trusted his arm too much. A classic case of someone relying on their talent beyond the point where that's really possible.

2. He made incorrect reads or made the reads too slowly. Honestly, he was better at this than most of the guys drafted ahead of him.

And that's why I think this discussion is dumb: The good and bad of Ewers are all well-known, but people are trying to talk around it and avoid the facts for whatever stupid reason they have.

You gravitate to Warner's analysis because he's soft in his analysis and it caters to your own thoughts. The next video Warner puts how that is harshly critical of a QB will be his first. Also you're giant pussy.

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Jake Majors ended up being good, the other tw
Jake Majors was bitched about a ton early, he got better but ended up average but we saw improvement.
Jerrin Thompson was slow and ass, so he transferred.
Gbenda was found goods....I don't think many expected him to contribute so any positives was a win.

Yeah they all got there different ways, but I just used them as examples of, like Ewers, adequate college players. We want our QBs to be either heroes or villains.

Ewers is pretty unique though because he’s like an MC Escher painting. We spent three years thinking he was always improving, but then at the end you go back and look at his play when he first got here and go “Man what happened to that guy?”
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1 minute ago, Red Five said:


Yeah they all got there different ways, but I just used them as examples of, like Ewers, adequate college players. We want our QBs to be either heroes or villains.

Ewers is pretty unique though because he’s like an MC Escher painting. We spent three years thinking he was always improving, but then at the end you go back and look at his play when he first got here and go “Man what happened to that guy?”

What's even stranger is you can do that same thing over the course of seasons and games.

There are games where he looks like an aggie scrub one quarter and a Heisman trophy candidate the next. 

I think that bi-polar aspect contributes to the inability to see him as extraordinarily average over his tenure at Texas. 

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38 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Lol you and I covered this ground before @Thatguywas the clear leader but there are plenty of others.

If you can produce one post on surly that claims Quinn Ewers was the sole reason we succeeded the past two years I'll kick in another $100 to Mobile Loaves & Fishes.

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something about quinn that doesn’t get talked about nearly as much as we talk about the rest of his flaws is the fact that he basically cannot improvise, which is just a non starter for a modern qb. you don’t have to be lamar jackson or pat mahomes, but even brock purdy can move around, extend plays, and make improvised throws from outside the pocket. QE will occasionally sprint forward when field just completely opens up in front of him, but his near total inability to improvise, extend the plays, and make something happen off script is going to doom him in the nfl, just as it doomed our title hopes the past two seasons.

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1 hour ago, Jkwellborn said:


Arch said he came because of Sark and the qb coach, didn’t he?

My point is that our super highly regarded, heisman-talk (at the time) QB, with years of eligibility remaining, could have made that situation untenable -- Arch could easily have passed -- but Ewers made it as easy as anybody possibly could under the circumstances, and he deserves credit for that.

Not to mention the class he showed last year when things weren't happening for him, and Arch was getting all the attention at media days, etc. That's at least my reason for sticking up for the guy when people say he sucked. Not only did he not suck, on the whole, he could have made the whole vibe a fucking slog, and he didn't. 

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37 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Lol you and I covered this ground before @Thatguywas the clear leader but there are plenty of others.

But here we are again... 

How many "Quinn brought us back." Posts would you like me to find?

If you're so tone def you only see 1 side of the anti/pro aspects...  guess what... 😘

Lol. Nobody and I mean nobody thinks Quinn was the sole reason we won games. What I DO THINK is that our quarterback woes since Colt are why we were wandering in the desert and we finally got a solid one who was able to take advantage of the tools we had. What's weird to a lot of us is how quickly this place forgot what our other quarterbacks looked like. We went from excited to be competitive to dumb shit like insert mediocre qb would've been more successful in this offense than Ewers, as if he had nothing to do with us winning games.

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2 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Lol. Nobody and I mean nobody thinks Quinn was the sole reason we won games. What I DO THINK is that our quarterback woes since Colt are why we were wandering in the desert and we finally got a solid one who was able to take advantage of the tools we had. What's weird to a lot of us is how quickly this place forgot what our other quarterbacks looked like. We went from excited to be competitive to dumb shit like insert mediocre qb would've been more successful in this offense than Ewers, as if he had nothing to do with us winning games.

I agree with you but cannot abide this Sam Ehlinger erasure. 

Although Sam's tenure more or less proves your point. As soon as we even got a decent QB like Sam, we started winning games again. Despite having a mental midget for a coach. 

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8 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

If you can produce one post on surly that claims Quinn Ewers was the sole reason we succeeded the past two years I'll kick in another $100 to Mobile Loaves & Fishes.

when lots and lots and lots of people repeatedly say, “quinn led us to back to back playoffs” and “quinn turned this program around” without ever giving credit to sark, pk, choice, bijan, sweat, barron, murphy, worthy, whitt, AD, etc, you can see how it would feel to a lot of people like QE is being singlehandedly given credit for everything good that Texas has done.

then, when you have thatguy, who posts as if his family is being held hostage and will be killed if he even so much as admits that QE has any flaws or shortcomings, or that any lack of success for our team was in any way QE’s fault, plus a ton of people pos repping (aka co-signing) these posts, it only adds to the feeling that a ton of people give QE sole credit for UT Football’s resurgence. i mean the guy’s cult following started when he was 16 and committed to Texas the first time. these people have been insanely invested for years and years. he is their chosen one.

so, while i don’t think anyone has out and out said that QE did it all by himself, a ton of people have gone out of their way to credit QE for “turning around the program” without ever acknowledging his enormous supporting cast, pretty much all of whom were more responsible for turning this program around than QE. you read this same stuff day after day for months, and it definitely starts to feel like people think that QE did for his team’s what VY and Colt did for theirs.

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20 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

If you can produce one post on surly that claims Quinn Ewers was the sole reason we succeeded the past two years I'll kick in another $100 to Mobile Loaves & Fishes.

You asked me to name names. I did. Go back through the thread and read the posts, I'm not doing your homework for you. You've been here all along. Even if I did provide the receipts you would move the goal posts again.

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3 minutes ago, Derka said:

when lots and lots and lots of people repeatedly say, “quinn led us to back to back playoffs” and “quinn turned this program around” without ever giving credit to sark, pk, choice, bijan, sweat, barron, murphy, worthy, whitt, AD, etc, you can see how it would feel to a lot of people like QE is being singlehandedly given credit for everything good that Texas has done.

I'll take your word for it.  I don't recall either, but I don't read every post.

 

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then, when you have thatguy, who posts as if his family is being held hostage

OK, I laughed.

Just now, BurntEyes said:

You asked me to name names. I did. Go back through the thread and read the posts, I'm not doing your homework for you. You've been here all along. Even if I did provide the receipts you would move the goal posts again.

I haven't moved any goalposts.  I wouldn't give sole credit to any player, ever.  Even VY.

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