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1 hour ago, Laguna said:

I was in school at the same time as him. I've heard those stories in the past and the way he was treated was unacceptable. They're all young men trying to do their best representing UT. His career can still be looked at objectively. And it has been for decades on UT boards.

 

I don't think you know what objectively means. He's statistically in the top 10 in almost every major passing category in Texas history, he did it in about 2 years worth of playing, and he, OBJECTIVELY, had a fucking retard as an OC. You've labeled him as an overrated underachieving QB. Well, how so? 

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2 hours ago, closetojumping said:

His signing with Texas made a giant fucking difference for the program from a national POV early in Mack Brown's tenure. 

Hard to overstate the impact. If there's no Chris Simms, there's no Big 3 WRs (Sloan, BJ, Roy).

You know who else really hates Chris Simms? Aggy.

333 yards through the air...

 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Park Gothic said:

Maybe I'm getting senile - which is a distinct possibility - but I believe that Major was QB1 against OU in 1998 and 1999. We won in 1998 and 1999. 

And now that's the last thing I'll say about this. 

98 was John Blake LOL.   Stoops was coach in '99 with his first team and we had a significant talent advantage.  Who started in 2000 and how did that go?

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10 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I don't think you know what objectively means. He's statistically in the top 10 in almost every major passing category in Texas history, he did it in about 2 years worth of playing, and he, OBJECTIVELY, had a fucking retard as an OC. You've labeled him as an overrated underachieving QB. Well, how so? 

He started 32 games at Texas and played in 41.  He played a lot at Texas. 

We have a lot of shitty QBs in our top 10.  See passing yards -- Gardere and Brett Stafford are still there.

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6 minutes ago, Skipper said:

98 was John Blake LOL.   Stoops was coach in '99 with his first team and we had a significant talent advantage.  Who started in 2000 and how did that go?

The beginning on the 99 game wasn't great. I was there. They got off to a huge lead and then blew it. 

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4 minutes ago, Skipper said:

98 was John Blake LOL.   Stoops was coach in '99 with his first team and we had a significant talent advantage.  Who started in 2000 and how did that go?

If y'all are going to pretend that 98 and 99 don't count then I'm going to say the 2000 game doesn't count because they won the national championship. Or maybe I won't do that, because it's disingenuous bullshit and not germane to the point anyone was making when this conversation started. 

And Major started in 2000. So that makes him 2-1 against the Sooners, which is still better than Simms or any recent QB not named Colt McCoy. 

And with that, I am now actually, but for real this time, done with this argument. 

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2 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

He started 32 games at Texas and played in 41.  He played a lot at Texas. 

We have a lot of shitty QBs in our top 10.  See passing yards -- Gardere and Brett Stafford are still there.

He went 26-6.  He was a good QB at Texas, and hampered by a retard in the booth. Laguna is repeatedly saying that Simms, objectively, was a mediocre QB at Texas. I'm simply asking him his defining criteria. 
 

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Just now, Park Gothic said:

If y'all are going to pretend that 98 and 99 don't count then I'm going to say the 2000 game doesn't count because they won the national championship. Or maybe I won't do that, because it's disingenuous bullshit and not germane to the point anyone was making when this conversation started. 

And Major started in 2000. So that makes him 2-1 against the Sooners, which is still better than Simms or any recent QB not named Colt McCoy. 

And with that, I am now actually, but for real this time, done with this argument. 

Stop pretending. You're going to come back and defend Teh Major because you can't help it. 

Just now, Hank_Hill said:

I’m supposed to feel bad for a guy that got to stay locked away getting pity sex from some foreign broad? 

No. You're supposed to think that a bunch of shitty fans and alums were shitty fans and alums. 

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3 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

The beginning on the 99 game wasn't great. I was there. They got off to a huge lead and then blew it. 

The infamous Mike Leach fake script game got them up 17-0.  But by halftime we were back in control of that one.

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3 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Stop pretending. You're going to come back and defend Teh Major because you can't help it. 

No. You're supposed to think that a bunch of shitty fans and alums were shitty fans and alums. 

You know, enabling an addict is dangerous behavior. 

Posted
3 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

I'm not sure there's a single player who gets run over more from our own fanbase, undeservedly, than Chris Simms. The guy was top 10 in most statistical UT categories in about two cobbled together years of QBing. More than that, people on campus and off, during college and after, have treated the guy like dogshit, personally. I don't blame the guy for having nothing to do with the University of Texas. And I say all that as a Major guy during the time. The guy went 26-6 as a starter, for fuck's sake. 

people need to try and film of him and rewatch it. go watch the a&m game in college station, or the lsu cotton bowl. he had the strongest arm at Texas since rick mcivor and he was firing that ball all over the field in a way that (especially when compared to our most recent starting qb) pops off the screen and wakes you say, “whoa.” when he was on, which was most of the time, he looked like an absolute pro. but just to repeat the point, go watch simms throw the ball 30 yards on a frozen rope, or 55 yards on the dot to roy or bj, and you’ll be taken aback at how much you’ve forgotten what he looked like and how he (usually) performed. he was very good, and fun to watch to boot.

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

You know, enabling an addict is dangerous behavior. 

I'm not enabling anything.

I'm simply sitting on the sidelines wagering on what that addict is going to do...will he clean up his life, or will he run, not walk, to the lines of cocaine and syringes of heroin just sitting on that empty table, unguarded?

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Posted
3 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

Yeah, because he's not a piece of shit. He loved his teammates, and he liked Austin, but he hasn't been back willingly and hasn't affiliated himself with Texas at all. For a reason.

CTJ and I have worked with a woman who dated Simms for awhile in college. She is a foreigner, and doesn't give any fucks about football, which was a big appeal for Simms. She tells some pretty horrific stories about how he was treated on campus. Prank phone calls at all hours, death threats after bad games, being jeered and heckled when he was on campus by other students. Imagine being Chris Simms, looking like he looked, and basically locking yourself in your apartment with a woman who didn't understand or give a fuck about football as a refuge from the shit he received. 

And it's pretty obvious a lot of those kids heckled him have moved onto message boards.

two of my HS buddies were with me and my dad hanging out outside the stadium after the spring game in (i believe) 2002, where we met and talked briefly with several of the players (i remember making a comment to roy williams about eating oreos fried in butter. he chuckled.), and chris simms was by far the coolest and most charismatic guy we met. really left all of us with a positive impression of him. as we were leaving one of us made a comment to him about “shaking the haters off”, and he goes, “man- FUCK THE HATERS!”, with a big smile on his face, then gave us a hook em and hopped into his ride. never had anutjing bad to say about him after meeting him. seemed like a great guy.

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Posted
10 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

If y'all are going to pretend that 98 and 99 don't count then I'm going to say the 2000 game doesn't count because they won the national championship. Or maybe I won't do that, because it's disingenuous bullshit and not germane to the point anyone was making when this conversation started. 

And Major started in 2000. So that makes him 2-1 against the Sooners, which is still better than Simms or any recent QB not named Colt McCoy

And with that, I am now actually, but for real this time, done with this argument. 

.....might want to look up the guy whose name is in the thread title?

Posted
2 hours ago, Park Gothic said:

I swear there were Texas fans who wanted us to lose just so they could be right about Simms. Besides, my issue was with Brown who actually made the decision. The hate for him never made sense - it always seemed like it was based on the perception that he had everything handed to him because of who his dad was. Which is disconcertingly similar to how Aggies and Sooners talk about Manning these days. 

Which gets us back to this thread and the idiocy behind someone claiming that we only want Ewers to succeed in the NFL to win a stupid internet bitchslap fight.

No. Fuck that. 

We want Ewers to succeed in the NFL because he's a Longhorn. Because it looks good for Longhorns to do well in the NFL, it helps the program, and means one of our guys is doing well. But mostly... because he is a Texas Longhorn and always will be. 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Park Gothic said:

Simms sucked against OU. It is the one thing that holds me back from liking him as much as a lot of our less successful QBs. 

That said, in retrospect, it's clear that Simms wasn't the problem.

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1 minute ago, Rimbo said:

Which gets us back to this thread and the idiocy behind someone claiming that we only want Ewers to succeed in the NFL to win a stupid internet bitchslap fight.

No. Fuck that. 

We want Ewers to succeed in the NFL because he's a Longhorn. Because it looks good for Longhorns to do well in the NFL, it helps the program, and means one of our guys is doing well. But mostly... because he is a Texas Longhorn and always will be. 

Yep, I want any future Longhorn to do well in the league.  Texas hasn't had a lot of big time QB success in the league, honestly. 

Colt was career backup with 36 starts, VY was run out of the league by Fisher, Sam is a backup, Shane got cut, Simms started 16 games...

Hey, Gilbert has a super bowl ring as a backup lol 

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1 hour ago, MrBig said:

Sam had numerous game ending INTs (USC, Maryland) and couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn despite having LJH and Collin Johnson stretching out to make circus catches.

People admire Sam because he played with fire and burnt orange flowing through his veins despite playing for a food burning piss monitoring dictator who had no idea how to swing a sledgehammer.

Sam’s energy was comparable to having a massive raging boner like you were gonna fuck Baywatch Pam Anderson when the reality was more akin to going home to fuck a 600lb heffer who smells like shit. Herman inspired no confidence in anybody the way he talked down to everybody and Sam still was able to be fired up because he fucking loved playing football for UT.  

Sam was the 21st century James Brown -- an inspiring leader on some shitty teams with an arrogant "offensive minded" coach.

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25 minutes ago, Derka said:

people need to try and film of him and rewatch it. go watch the a&m game in college station, or the lsu cotton bowl. he had the strongest arm at Texas since rick mcivor and he was firing that ball all over the field in a way that (especially when compared to our most recent starting qb) pops off the screen and wakes you say, “whoa.” when he was on, which was most of the time, he looked like an absolute pro. but just to repeat the point, go watch simms throw the ball 30 yards on a frozen rope, or 55 yards on the dot to roy or bj, and you’ll be taken aback at how much you’ve forgotten what he looked like and how he (usually) performed. he was very good, and fun to watch to boot.

They put him on the radar at the combine.  His arm strength was slightly below the average combine participant that year.  He threw a pretty ball.  His arm strength was just vastly overrated because he threw every short pass as hard as he could needlessly.

Again, he was an above-average QB.  If you think he was "very good" I will just have to agree to disagree.  And his records in games that really matter bear that out.  It is nice he beat A&M, who was shitty those three years in the waning Slocum days.  Or a 5 loss LSU team that Dennis Franchione's Alabama team beat by 30 in Baton Rouge.

The big wins people cite were not that big.  Shitty and unranked A&M three times.  Unranked 8-5 LSU.  7-7 Nebraska.  K State was a damn good team in 2002.  That's his best win.  And even then the offense managed two touchdowns.  

I cannot say he was even good given his shittastic record against OU and what he did against Colorado in the Big 12 Title game.  Four interceptions and a fumble against top 10 Oregon in 2000 Holiday Bowl.

I think a segment of our fanbase got to where they would oversteer praise for Simms in response to the deplorable treatment and criticism he received.

Sam was better than Simms.  Ewers was too.  Ash was on his way to being better.

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Posted
25 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

We have a lot of shitty QBs in our top 10.  See passing yards -- Gardere and Brett Stafford are still there.

If you are talking about Peter ( I am the only Texas QB to ever beat OU 4 years in a row, not to mention during a particularly dark period in Texas football history providing some of the only brightspots on a dreary landscape ) Gardere then I'll thank you to keep his name out of your mouth when referencing shitty Texas QBs.  If you are referring to another Gardere we had at QB... by all means carry on.

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Posted
6 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

That said, in retrospect, it's clear that Simms wasn't the problem.

He was plenty part of it.  Because every other quarterback under Greg and Mack seemed to manage to throw touchdowns against OU.

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1 minute ago, orange dream said:

If you are talking about Peter ( I am the only Texas QB to ever beat OU 4 years in a row, not to mention during a particularly dark period in Texas football history providing some of the only brightspots on a dreary landscape ) Gardere then I'll thank you to keep his name out of your mouth when referencing shitty Texas QBs.  If you are referring to another Gardere we had at QB... by all means carry on.

 

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Posted
13 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

That said, in retrospect, it's clear that Simms wasn't the problem.

If I were continuing this conversation, which I am not, I would say that is a valid point.  

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Posted (edited)
12 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

He was plenty part of it.  Because every other quarterback under Greg and Mack seemed to manage to throw touchdowns against OU.

Oh, really?

2004: https://www.espn.com/college-football/game/_/gameId/242830201/texas-oklahoma  Vince Young, 0 points total

2003: https://www.espn.com/college-football/playbyplay/_/gameId/232840251 Chance Mock and Vince Young, 2 rushing TDs, 0 passing TDs

2002: https://stats.texassports.com/custompages/sports/m-footbl/archive/stats/02/101202.htm Simms ran for 2 TDs, and the only other TD we scored was a Rod Babers pick-six. 

2010: https://www.espn.com/college-football/game/_/gameId/302750201/texas-oklahoma  Squints throws 0 TDs.

2011: https://www.espn.com/college-football/game/_/gameId/312810251/oklahoma-texas Hey look, a single TD pass... from David Ash! Too bad Landry Jones threw 3, and they beat us by 38 that year.

2012: https://www.espn.com/college-football/playbyplay/_/gameId/322870201 Case throws a single TD in garbage time as time expires in a blowout loss; David Ash throws 0.

Wow, just look at all the times OU blew us out under Mack Brown, with all these different QBs. I'm beginning to see a pattern here; it's almost like it doesn't matter who the QB was, we just sucked ass against them under Mack! Golly. It's almost like the facts support my argument, and blow yours into the toilet like the kinda diarrhea you get after the all-you-can-eat seafood buffet.

You're a dumbfuck with a hate boner. Just admit you don't like the guy because you're a shitty human being, and stop pretending you have reasons to justify it. Thanks!

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Posted
7 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Laguna is repeatedly saying that Simms, objectively, was a mediocre QB at Texas.

I never said mediocre. Overrated/underachieving? For sure. 

38 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I don't think you know what objectively means. He's statistically in the top 10 in almost every major passing category in Texas history, he did it in about 2 years worth of playing, and he, OBJECTIVELY, had a fucking retard as an OC. You've labeled him as an overrated underachieving QB. Well, how so? 

 

Chris Simms never excelled at UT. A very simple way to demonstrate that is he was never a first or second team all conference selection, by coaches or media. The two years worth of playing (if you discount 2000 when he was benched on two separate occasions), Eric Crouch, Kliff Kingsbury, and one Seneca Wallace were selected over him. You can scoff at that criteria if you want, but at the time those QBs were seen as better and more valuable players than Chris. Other relevant UT QBs that received such honors, Quinn 2nd team twice, Sam 2nd team once, Major one 1st one 2nd, and of course Colt and VY. 

As has been pointed out, top 10 in passing categories for the career is not the gotcha you think. If you want to get into how his stats stacked up with his peers we can do that. For all the talk about the horizontal passing game of GD he never completed over 60% of his passes in a season. Never in the top 20 in the country in a season. Yards per attempt 53rd in 2001, he did rise to 12th in 2002. That was his best standing in any one metric. 

He never won a conference title, famously made it to one conference championship game which was a disaster. His OU record speaks for itself.

Overall his tenure was disappointing, despite some great memories like Aggie victories and the Cotton Bowl over LSU. Overrated/underacheived.

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Posted
8 minutes ago, Laguna said:

I never said mediocre. Overrated/underachieving? For sure. 

 

Chris Simms never excelled at UT. A very simple way to demonstrate that is he was never a first or second team all conference selection, by coaches or media. The two years worth of playing (if you discount 2000 when he was benched on two separate occasions), Eric Crouch, Kliff Kingsbury, and one Seneca Wallace were selected over him. You can scoff at that criteria if you want, but at the time those QBs were seen as better and more valuable players than Chris. Other relevant UT QBs that received such honors, Quinn 2nd team twice, Sam 2nd team once, Major one 1st one 2nd, and of course Colt and VY. 

As has been pointed out, top 10 in passing categories for the career is not the gotcha you think. If you want to get into how his stats stacked up with his peers we can do that. For all the talk about the horizontal passing game of GD he never completed over 60% of his passes in a season. Never in the top 20 in the country in a season. Yards per attempt 53rd in 2001, he did rise to 12th in 2002. That was his best standing in any one metric. 

He never won a conference title, famously made it to one conference championship game which was a disaster. His OU record speaks for itself.

Overall his tenure was disappointing, despite some great memories like Aggie victories and the Cotton Bowl over LSU. Overrated/underacheived.

Laguna: “Simms was overrated”

Also Laguna: “Eric Crouch was a great QB”

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Posted
12 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

Oh, really?

2004: https://www.espn.com/college-football/game/_/gameId/242830201/texas-oklahoma  Vince Young, 0 points total

2003: https://www.espn.com/college-football/playbyplay/_/gameId/232840251 Chance Mock and Vince Young, 2 rushing TDs, 0 passing TDs

2002: https://stats.texassports.com/custompages/sports/m-footbl/archive/stats/02/101202.htm Simms ran for 2 TDs, and the only other TD we scored was a Rod Babers pick-six. 

2010: https://www.espn.com/college-football/game/_/gameId/302750201/texas-oklahoma  Squints throws 0 TDs.

2011: https://www.espn.com/college-football/game/_/gameId/312810251/oklahoma-texas Hey look, a single TD pass... from David Ash! Too bad Landry Jones threw 3, and they beat us by 38 that year.

2012: https://www.espn.com/college-football/playbyplay/_/gameId/322870201 Case throws a single TD in garbage time as time expires in a blowout loss; David Ash throws 0.

Wow, just look at all the times OU blew us out under Mack Brown, with all these different QBs. I'm beginning to see a pattern here; it's almost like it doesn't matter who the QB was, we just sucked ass against them under Mack! Golly. It's almost like the facts support my argument, and blow yours into the toilet like the kinda diarrhea you get after the all-you-can-eat seafood buffet.

You're a dumbfuck with a hate boner. Just admit you don't like the guy because you're a shitty human being, and stop pretending you have reasons to justify it. Thanks!

Touchdown passes against OU with Greg Davis as OC

Chris Simms -- 0 TDs and 8 interceptions in 3 games (well, he threw a touchdown to the wrong Roy Williams in 2001) 

Vince Young -- 3 TDs in 3 games

Colt McCoy - 6 TDs in 4 games

Gilbert -- 0 in 1 game

David Ash  -- 1 in 2 games

Case McCoy -- 4 in 2 games

Simms was the worst of all these Greg Davis QBs against OU.

 

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Posted
15 minutes ago, Laguna said:

I never said mediocre. Overrated/underachieving? For sure. 

 

Chris Simms never excelled at UT. A very simple way to demonstrate that is he was never a first or second team all conference selection, by coaches or media. The two years worth of playing (if you discount 2000 when he was benched on two separate occasions), Eric Crouch, Kliff Kingsbury, and one Seneca Wallace were selected over him. You can scoff at that criteria if you want, but at the time those QBs were seen as better and more valuable players than Chris. Other relevant UT QBs that received such honors, Quinn 2nd team twice, Sam 2nd team once, Major one 1st one 2nd, and of course Colt and VY. 

As has been pointed out, top 10 in passing categories for the career is not the gotcha you think. If you want to get into how his stats stacked up with his peers we can do that. For all the talk about the horizontal passing game of GD he never completed over 60% of his passes in a season. Never in the top 20 in the country in a season. Yards per attempt 53rd in 2001, he did rise to 12th in 2002. That was his best standing in any one metric. 

He never won a conference title, famously made it to one conference championship game which was a disaster. His OU record speaks for itself.

Overall his tenure was disappointing, despite some great memories like Aggie victories and the Cotton Bowl over LSU. Overrated/underacheived.

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1 minute ago, Frank Drebin said:

Chris Simms -- 0 TDs and 8 interceptions in 3 games (well, he threw a touchdown to the wrong Roy Williams in 2001) 

Hey, he had 2 TDs. They were rushing TDs, not passing TDs. But I don't think it's Simms' fault that they were rushing TDs, do you? See, I would wonder why the dumbfuck OC was calling rushing plays.

4 worst blowouts in TX-OU history for either side all had the same coaching staff leading them and several different QBs.

You're pickin' and choosin' statistics to justify your hate boner and ignoring the ones that don't.

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Posted (edited)
2 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

Hey, he had 2 TDs. They were rushing TDs, not passing TDs. But I don't think it's Simms' fault that they were rushing TDs, do you? See, I would wonder why the dumbfuck OC was calling rushing plays.

4 worst blowouts in TX-OU history for either side all had the same coaching staff leading them and several different QBs.

You're pickin' and choosin' statistics to justify your hate boner and ignoring the ones that don't.

Weren't they just QB sneaks?  Nice and all.  But he had 4 fucking interceptions that game too.  HIs last "rushing TD" was in garbage time.  Game was over.

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5 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

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When even Helobious is clowning you, it's time to stop posting.

Crouch won the Heisman.

When even Helobious is agreeing with you, it's time to reassess your position.

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Posted
14 minutes ago, Laguna said:

I never said mediocre. Overrated/underachieving? For sure. 

 

Chris Simms never excelled at UT. A very simple way to demonstrate that is he was never a first or second team all conference selection, by coaches or media. The two years worth of playing (if you discount 2000 when he was benched on two separate occasions), Eric Crouch, Kliff Kingsbury, and one Seneca Wallace were selected over him. You can scoff at that criteria if you want, but at the time those QBs were seen as better and more valuable players than Chris. Other relevant UT QBs that received such honors, Quinn 2nd team twice, Sam 2nd team once, Major one 1st one 2nd, and of course Colt and VY. 

As has been pointed out, top 10 in passing categories for the career is not the gotcha you think. If you want to get into how his stats stacked up with his peers we can do that. For all the talk about the horizontal passing game of GD he never completed over 60% of his passes in a season. Never in the top 20 in the country in a season. Yards per attempt 53rd in 2001, he did rise to 12th in 2002. That was his best standing in any one metric. 

He never won a conference title, famously made it to one conference championship game which was a disaster. His OU record speaks for itself.

Overall his tenure was disappointing, despite some great memories like Aggie victories and the Cotton Bowl over LSU. Overrated/underacheived.

Finally, you've positioned yourself into a spot where you'll have to define something.

You say overrated/underachieving, and again I will ask, by what metric? Because, first, overrated/underachieving is usually code for someone's personal expectations of a player, which by it's very fucking nature, is emotional, and NOT objective. Which is why I've been asking you to define your nature of success and you come back with...

All Conference Selections? That's your metric. Selected by coaches and the media, the same coaches who always conspired against Texas and the same media that voted against VY for Heisman? During the same years Leach was going apeshit at QB at Tech. You know, it's almost like nuance matters. Cedric Benson was never a first team All Conference player, I don't believe in a year he scored the most points of anyone in the Big 12. 

Yes, yes I do believe I can scoff at your criteria. 

I'm not attempting to pull a gotcha, I've been directly asking you your criteria. And you came back with All Conference nods. No no, you please continue down this path. 

"His tenure was disappointing." That doesn't sound like Objectivity. It sounds like an emotional response. 

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4 hours ago, closetojumping said:

We'll see him glomming on to the Texas media machine for a paycheck soon enough and idiots like you can jack off to his image regularly when that happens.

3 hours ago, closetojumping said:

 The next time you're masturbating on a Zoom call with Sam, will you do the rest of us a favor and ask him if Texas is back?

You have some surprising fantasies. NTTAWWT. 

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Posted (edited)
9 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Finally, you've positioned yourself into a spot where you'll have to define something.

You say overrated/underachieving, and again I will ask, by what metric? Because, first, overrated/underachieving is usually code for someone's personal expectations of a player, which by it's very fucking nature, is emotional, and NOT objective. Which is why I've been asking you to define your nature of success and you come back with...

All Conference Selections? That's your metric. Selected by coaches and the media, the same coaches who always conspired against Texas and the same media that voted against VY for Heisman? During the same years Leach was going apeshit at QB at Tech. You know, it's almost like nuance matters. Cedric Benson was never a first team All Conference player, I don't believe in a year he scored the most points of anyone in the Big 12. 

Yes, yes I do believe I can scoff at your criteria. 

I'm not attempting to pull a gotcha, I've been directly asking you your criteria. And you came back with All Conference nods. No no, you please continue down this path. 

"His tenure was disappointing." That doesn't sound like Objectivity. It sounds like an emotional response. 

Cedric was 2 time 1st team big 12, 1 time 2nd team big 12 in 2002 with Chris. Each of those years littered with other Longhorns. Try again.

I picked all conference selections because other Texas QBs with the same OC achieved it as well as other more recent QBs being discussed here achieved it. The game and stats change over time but the means of recognition doesn't.

And drop the conspiracy talk. That sounds like an emotional response. 

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Posted
10 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

Eric Crouch was a great college QB.  It's why he won the Heisman Trophy.

 

Yup...35-7 as a starter, Big 12 champ, played for a natty

Not sure how that wouldn't qualify as a great college career in anyone's mind, very similar to Colt McCoy with a slightly lower win %

Posted
27 minutes ago, MirrOlure said:

This thread FINALLY........

 

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Just wait until Saturday afternoon. This thread will definitely be getting bumped, for better or worse, depending on how the QB who Quinn kept on the bench looks.

 

On 8/26/2025 at 11:52 AM, Derka said:

look, we’ve literally never discussed in this thread whether or not quinn ewers was going to make the 53-man roster of the team that drafted him, so a)why are people spiking the ball today?

Probably because you spiked it first, which was equally inane after his first rookie preseason game. Not that I didn't enjoy your bringing of receipts and general shit-stirring. But realistically, this argument won't be done and dusted for another year or two. Buckle in, boyos!

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3 minutes ago, Laguna said:

Cedric was 2 time 1st team big 12, 1 time 2nd team big 12 in 2002 with Chris. Each of those years littered with other Longhorns. Try again.

And drop the conspiracy talk. That sounds like an emotional response. 

Cedric wasn't 1st team 2 times. He was 2nd team in the years below, and I did make a mistake that he was also first team with Adrian Peterson in 2004. 
https://big12sports.com/news/2002/12/10/1518373.aspx
https://big12sports.com/news/2003/12/9/1519278.aspx

I don't know what your point that the lists were "littered with longhorns" proves We were talented teams. But I see a lot of STUPID fucking choices. Like Roy Williams a 2nd team WR behind Rashaun Woods and fucking Mark Clayton. Multiple years. 

I guess you're not aware of the entire Big 12 coaches voting Texas 5th one year and costing us a shot at a title. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's pretty plain in the voting. But of course, I never claimed it was objective. It's very much emotional. Much like Kirk Bohls voting for Reggie Bush for Heisman and Chip Brown writing hatchet articles about Texas. 

By the way, Big 12 awards are voting for by people, which is the definition of a subjective opinion, and shouldn't be considered objective criteria by any definition. 

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2 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Cedric wasn't 1st team 2 times. He was 2nd team in the years below, and I did make a mistake that he was also first team with Adrian Peterson in 2004. 
https://big12sports.com/news/2002/12/10/1518373.aspx
https://big12sports.com/news/2003/12/9/1519278.aspx

I don't know what your point that the lists were "littered with longhorns" proves We were talented teams. But I see a lot of STUPID fucking choices. Like Roy Williams a 2nd team WR behind Rashaun Woods and fucking Mark Clayton. Multiple years. 

I guess you're not aware of the entire Big 12 coaches voting Texas 5th one year and costing us a shot at a title. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's pretty plain in the voting. But of course, I never claimed it was objective. It's very much emotional. Much like Kirk Bohls voting for Reggie Bush for Heisman and Chip Brown writing hatchet articles about Texas. 

By the way, Big 12 awards are voting for by people, which is the definition of a subjective opinion, and shouldn't be considered objective criteria by any definition. 

Simms did deserve 2nd team all conference his senior year.

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What pisses me off is that I spent money on a ticket to the Ohio State game, bought round trip airline tickets, rented a car, reserved a hotel room and then fucking died before I could use them because apparently I’m in fucking hell when the Simms, Applewhite, Davis, 2001 conference championship game, and the OU blowouts are ever motherfucking green. I hope my kids are enjoying my money and that my dogs aren’t too sad. 

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1 minute ago, Doc Daneeka said:

What pisses me off is that I spent money on a ticket to the Ohio State game, bought round trip airline tickets, rented a car, reserved a hotel room and then fucking died before I could use them because apparently I’m in fucking hell when the Simms, Applewhite, Davis, 2001 conference championship game, and the OU blowouts are ever motherfucking green. I hope my kids are enjoying my money and that my dogs aren’t too sad. 

At least it's contained to the Quinn Ewers thread. 

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Posted
4 hours ago, closetojumping said:

You don't have to feign giving a shit about players that aren't from Westlake.

Whew. Glad we got that cleared up. 

 image.thumb.jpeg.bde004c42229cc95f7b98b414186551f.jpeg

Top row L to R: Gunnar, DeMarvion, Isaiah Bond 
2nd row L to R: Quinn, Casey Thompson, Colt (and wifey)
3rd row L to R: Arch, baby! Taaffe, Jordan Washington
4th row: L to R: Jahdae, Cedric Baxter, Quintrevion Wisner  

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5 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

Whew. Glad we got that cleared up. 

 image.thumb.jpeg.bde004c42229cc95f7b98b414186551f.jpeg

Top row L to R: Gunnar, DeMarvion, Isaiah Bond 
2nd row L to R: Quinn, Casey Thompson, Colt (and wifey)
3rd row L to R: Arch, baby! Taaffe, Jordan Washington
4th row: L to R: Jahdae, Cedric Baxter, Quintrevion Wisner  

We've all seen your jocksniffing photos. They're not bonafides. You're a Westlake honk who happens to be involved with work that intersects with college athletes in Austin sometimes. 

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