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9 hours ago, 'stache said:

So you all seriously think that teams like Bama should be judged on their 13th game that they are required to play due to regular season success while you guys get to sit on your ass every year during that week after "dominating" a bunch of nobodies for 10 weeks? You're barking up a sad tree here dude. I don't even like Bama but it makes absolute sense why they were in regardless of what happened in the SEC CG.

I was clear that you judge the entire season over picking a couple games and declaring only they matter.  But in my personal opinion, a game against unheard of Eastern Illinois should be treated as a scrimmage, after which you can evaluate Bama's 12 game season.

8 hours ago, ITHorn said:

 

This argument falls apart when you look at who the "dominant wins" were against. Not sure I'd call a win against Boston College in which it was a 2 point game with a minute to go in the third quarter a "dominant win". 

It is dominant, not a blowout, when you are never really worried that you might lose.  Fredo College had a total of 12 yards rushing, if that matters.  BC kept it close with a fumble at the BC 5 and ND kneeling it out at their 25.  Miami OTOH called timeout instead of victory formation to throw for style points. 

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Dan Wolken: After Notre Dame's numerous tantrums, what's the school's endgame? A divorce from the ACC?

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The more Notre Dame squawks and threatens like a 7-year-old mad at their parents because they didn’t get a stuffed animal at the state fair, the more reasonable it is to wonder whether there’s something more going on besides frustration over a College Football Playoff snub. Long-simmering complaints on both sides of the Notre Dame-ACC relationship have started to spill into the public discourse since Sunday, when the College Football Playoff selection committee surprisingly elevated Miami over the Irish for the final at-large spot in the 12-team field.

Issues that have been brewing under the surface for a couple years — largely tied which football games the ACC owes Notre Dame in its unique scheduling arrangement and when they’re played — have erupted like a pimple under a hot compress. Combined with the Florida State/Clemson settlement earlier this year that set exit fees at a manageable $75 million in 2030-31, it’s hard to escape the feeling that the clock is ticking both for the ACC and Notre Dame’s place in it.

But as Notre Dame's athletics director Pete Bevacqua has made the media rounds since Sunday night in a Festivus-come-early airing of grievances that included phrases like “permanent damage” to its ACC relationship he has done three things:

• First, he has reinforced every negative Notre Dame stereotype for so many administrators across college athletics who had largely forgotten how little use they have for the Irish’s addiction to special treatment. Whereas former athletics director Jack Swarbrick wielded a hammer with a hint of charm and a deft touch, it seems Bevacqua’s way of doing business combines Tony Soprano’s hair-trigger temper with Baron Munchausen’s talent for exaggeration. Big 12 commissioner Brett Yormark’s strong rebuttal this week was only a taste of what’s being said behind the scenes by people who have long memories and could one day be on a CFP committee themselves.

• Second, he’s clarified how much things have changed in the ACC from the time Notre Dame signed its one-foot-in, one-foot-out agreement in 2012. It’s easy to forget, but at the time, the ACC was a predator, not prey. There was even talk that if the Big 12 blew up, it might be a landing spot for Texas. Obviously, things have changed. Notre Dame didn’t sign up for the ACC as it exists now, and it certainly didn’t envision being attached to a league where Florida State and Clemson — two of the three biggest football brands — are now in a state of disrepair.

• Third and most important, Bevacqua’s saber-rattling has laid bare that Notre Dame, at least internally, has determined its football program needs something other than what the ACC is currently providing as the sport’s structure continues to evolve. It’s simply hard to believe that Bevacqua, an experienced executive at the USGA, CAA Sports and NBC Sports who has seen a whole bunch of stuff in his career, emotionally ruptured because a 10-2 football team with a mediocre résumé got left out of the CFP or because some ACC staffers got a little too spicy for his taste on social media in their promotion of Miami.

Instead, as soon as Bevacqua’s tantrum stretched into multiple days, the entire act took on the whiff of a Starbucks customer demanding to see the manager because their coffee was hot. Given that Notre Dame’s institutional anger ultimately translates into a big bunch of nothing as it relates to this year’s CFP, the only reasonable conclusion to draw is that they were already looking for a fight. The question is to what end. Here’s a theory to consider:

Despite Notre Dame’s public insistence that remaining independent is of utmost importance, the school’s decision-makers are not dummies. They know which way the wind is blowing in college athletics, and 2025 was proof of concept that Notre Dame’s current arrangement is going to be difficult to sustain. Perhaps things would have been different if Southern Cal was a little better or Syracuse hadn’t fallen apart or Purdue was further along in its rebuild.

But no program, even Notre Dame, can truly position itself to win a national championship in this playoff era with two or three decent games a year, most of them early in the season. By the way, Notre Dame’s 2026 schedule isn’t shaping up much better. Maybe Wisconsin, Michigan State, Stanford or North Carolina will get their act together. But aside from a home game against Miami and a trip to Southern Cal, it’s not good.

And it’s probably going to get worse, especially if Notre Dame can’t come to an agreement with USC to extend their longstanding rivalry. Texas, also smarting from missing the CFP, has made noise about canceling its series with Notre Dame in 2028-29. Athletic directors in other leagues, who learned from Yahoo Sports' Ross Dellenger on Sunday about the memorandum of understanding that grants Notre Dame preferential playoff access, are threatening to freeze them out of future schedules. (Who knows if they’ll follow through. For all its issues, Notre Dame fills stadiums and drives TV ratings.)

Put that nugget aside for a moment. Scheduling has always been hard for Notre Dame. And just for the fact that every league is headed to nine conference games, it’s only going to get harder. So it’s worth asking: How wedded to independence is Notre Dame really? So much so that it’s going to tank their CFP hopes if they lose a couple games? Notre Dame is too smart for that.

At some point, the Venn diagram of administrators across college sports who think Notre Dame needs to be in a conference and people at Notre Dame realizing they need to be in a conference to avoid getting left behind is going to overlap. But Notre Dame is not going to be forced at the point of a bayonet to join some league. They’re going to do it on their terms and their timetable. T

here’s one issue with that, however. As part of the ACC’s grant of rights, Notre Dame is obligated to join the ACC as a full member if it joins a conference. Which makes the timing of all this quite interesting. Remember, earlier this year, the Clemson/FSU settlement set a schedule for exit fees to get out of the grant of rights before it expires in 2036. It’ll be several years before most members can afford it, but since Notre Dame isn’t part of the league’s TV deal for football in the first place, it would almost certainly be a considerably smaller number. That’s Step 1.

As far as Step 2, pick your own adventure. It’s hard to believe the Big Ten would give Notre Dame a sweetheart deal like the Irish have with the ACC. They’d want all or nothing. The SEC might be more inclined to do something with Notre Dame, but they don’t need the aggravation (or another good team on the schedule). Perhaps Notre Dame waits for the ACC to crumble, picks off the handful of schools that it wants and perhaps even convinces USC and UCLA to reconsider their Big Ten affiliation.

In the end, Notre Dame has options. And if you read the histrionics that began Sunday afternoon as the first salvo in exploring them, it makes a lot more sense than an outburst about the ACC’s social media strategy. Notre Dame may well be itching to start a fight with implications well beyond the ACC. But with the rest of college athletics declining to join their pity party over the last three days, they better have a good plan to finish it.

 

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Posted
17 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

please explain why notre dame believes notre dame is entitled to a special set of rules that apply only to notre dame

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Posted
17 hours ago, notre dame joe said:

Here is the fine point of it, look at the entire season instead of cherry picking a couple of data points that support your position.  Notre Dame started with two disappointments and ended with 10 straight dominant wins.  Bama started okay and ended with five disappointments and 1 crushing win over Eastern Illinois.

Hoo boy!!  10 dominant wins you say?!!  In a row?!!  Amazing!!

You beat absolutely nobody of consequence (USC was the only team that ended ranked?).  All season.  Because your schedule was weak as a flickering candle.  Join a conference or watch those schedules get weaker and weaker.

Posted
56 minutes ago, Sir Ulrich said:

 

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But also, how sad that it took this long for ADs to realize or care that ND has always had a preferential seat at the table, mostly on the backs of playing a bunch of B1G/ACC teams. 

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This keeps getting worse for these dumb asses

 

 the committee did fuck themself and ND by doing a special deal with them in writing

 what the fuck even is that? special deals for one school how is that fair?

 Put Texas in the playoff now make this right lol

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Posted
8 hours ago, notre dame joe said:

I was clear that you judge the entire season over picking a couple games and declaring only they matter.  But in my personal opinion, a game against unheard of Eastern Illinois should be treated as a scrimmage, after which you can evaluate Bama's 12 game season.

It is dominant, not a blowout, when you are never really worried that you might lose.  Fredo College had a total of 12 yards rushing, if that matters.  BC kept it close with a fumble at the BC 5 and ND kneeling it out at their 25.  Miami OTOH called timeout instead of victory formation to throw for style points. 

Fuck you, fuck ND, fuck your bitch ass smug ass independent avatar, fuck around and find out and go fuck yourself. 

Is that clear enough how most CFB fans view ND right now?

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5 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Fuck you, fuck ND, fuck your bitch ass smug ass independent avatar, fuck around and find out and go fuck yourself. 

Is that clear enough how most CFB fans view ND right now?

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Posted
2 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I don’t even care that they’re independent. I don’t care that they’re mad, everyone who is left out has a right to be mad, I’m still bitter about 2011. They also can be mad that the committee waited til the last minute to apply H2H and swap them with Miami, that was dumb by the committee.

But skipping the bowl game and having press conferences trashing their scheduling partner is pure bitchassedness and has turned my general indifference for Notre Dame into seeing them as a truly pathetic program. This board had a beef too but I didn’t see UT admins on tv crying like their puppy was just shot. Be mad and move the fuck on.

I’ve said a million times, being mad at Bama is stupid as fuck, they were in before the CCG and weren't being excluded. Being mad at JMU and Tulane is stupid as fuck, everyone agreed to that rule and it is just being applied. Being mad at Miami is stupid as fuck, you lost to them head to head. Be disappointed, vent a little, fine, but goddamn they’re acting like this is some unique travesty that only they have ever experienced. Fuck off you fake ass martyrs. Couldn’t even nut up to play BYU who by the way is also mad and yet is not crying from a podium days later. Fucking pussies ass titty babies.

This x 100

Posted
10 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I don’t even care that they’re independent. I don’t care that they’re mad, everyone who is left out has a right to be mad, I’m still bitter about 2011. They also can be mad that the committee waited til the last minute to apply H2H and swap them with Miami, that was dumb by the committee.

But skipping the bowl game and having press conferences trashing their scheduling partner is pure bitchassedness and has turned my general indifference for Notre Dame into seeing them as a truly pathetic program. This board had a beef too but I didn’t see UT admins on tv crying like their puppy was just shot. Be mad and move the fuck on.

I’ve said a million times, being mad at Bama is stupid as fuck, they were in before the CCG and weren't being excluded. Being mad at JMU and Tulane is stupid as fuck, everyone agreed to that rule and it is just being applied. Being mad at Miami is stupid as fuck, you lost to them head to head.

Be disappointed, be mad, vent a little, fine, but goddamn they’re acting like this is some unique travesty that only they have ever experienced. Fuck off you fake ass martyrs. Couldn’t even nut up to play BYU, who by the way is also mad, and yet is not crying from a podium days later. Fucking pussies ass titty babies.

Hear hear. I've always kind of rolled my eyes at ND because of the special treatment they get, but this behavior has just pushed me into full fuck that program forever mode and they can get fucked and be excluded every year as far as I'm concerned until they decide to play by the same rules as everyone else.

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1 hour ago, 'stache said:

I don’t even care that they’re independent. I don’t care that they’re mad, everyone who is left out has a right to be mad, I’m still bitter about 2011. They also can be mad that the committee waited til the last minute to apply H2H and swap them with Miami, that was dumb by the committee.

But skipping the bowl game and having press conferences trashing their scheduling partner is pure bitchassedness and has turned my general indifference for Notre Dame into seeing them as a truly pathetic program. This board had a beef too but I didn’t see UT admins on tv crying like their puppy was just shot. Be mad and move the fuck on.

I’ve said a million times, being mad at Bama is stupid as fuck, they were in before the CCG and weren't being excluded. Being mad at JMU and Tulane is stupid as fuck, everyone agreed to that rule and it is just being applied. Being mad at Miami is stupid as fuck, you lost to them head to head.

Be disappointed, be mad, vent a little, fine, but goddamn they’re acting like this is some unique travesty that only they have ever experienced. Fuck off you fake ass martyrs. Couldn’t even nut up to play BYU, who by the way is also mad, and yet is not crying from a podium days later. Fucking pussies ass titty babies.

And BYU has gotten left out two years in a row with 11 wins seasons each year.

Posted
4 hours ago, 'stache said:

I’ve said a million times, being mad at Bama is stupid as fuck, they were in before the CCG and weren't being excluded.

The committee has to stop pretending like Conference Championship games don't happen. We all can't act like we didn't see Alabama get utterly outclassed by Georgia. We know they don't belong. But I don't know how you make it fair. 

However, if that's gonna be your position, you can't punish BYU and not punish Bama. The whole thing is absurd.

But most of all, fuck Notre Dame. 

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Posted (edited)
6 hours ago, satyanash said:

Dan Wolken: After Notre Dame's numerous tantrums, what's the school's endgame? A divorce from the ACC?

 

Too many things wrong in that article to list them all, but I will call attention to 

 

But no program, even Notre Dame, can truly position itself to win a national championship in this playoff era with two or three decent games a year, most of them early in the season

 

Oh, someone please tell me about the second or third best win of Texas A&M? TTech = BYU, BYU, and ??

Even #5 Oregon.  Their second best win is probably Iowa (8-4) on a last drive fg.

 

 

5 hours ago, Scholz said:

Hoo boy!!  10 dominant wins you say?!!  In a row?!!  Amazing!!

You beat absolutely nobody of consequence (USC was the only team that ended ranked?).  All season.  Because your schedule was weak as a flickering candle.  Join a conference or watch those schedules get weaker and weaker.

When people please check the computer rankings before making these posts? 

The most friendly one to the didn't beat anyone crowd is the Colley Matrix, which will lay it out visually.

 

https://www.colleyrankings.com/scgi-bin/teamsplot.cgi?i1=119&i2=107&i3=77&i4=115&i5=45&s=2

 

 

 

4 hours ago, 'stache said:

I don’t even care that they’re independent. I don’t care that they’re mad, everyone who is left out has a right to be mad, I’m still bitter about 2011. They also can be mad that the committee waited til the last minute to apply H2H and swap them with Miami, that was dumb by the committee.

But skipping the bowl game and having press conferences trashing their scheduling partner is pure bitchassedness and has turned my general indifference for Notre Dame into seeing them as a truly pathetic program. This board had a beef too but I didn’t see UT admins on tv crying like their puppy was just shot. Be mad and move the fuck on.

I’ve said a million times, being mad at Bama is stupid as fuck, they were in before the CCG and weren't being excluded. Being mad at JMU and Tulane is stupid as fuck, everyone agreed to that rule and it is just being applied. Being mad at Miami is stupid as fuck, you lost to them head to head.

Be disappointed, be mad, vent a little, fine, but goddamn they’re acting like this is some unique travesty that only they have ever experienced. Fuck off you fake ass martyrs. Couldn’t even nut up to play BYU, who by the way is also mad, and yet is not crying from a podium days later. Fucking pussies ass titty babies.

We don't have a conference commissioner or any repa on the CFP to b**** to.  And it's clear that the ACC does not advocate for our interests. By being independent it means the only outlet is public.

 

Bowls extend invitations, we declined their invitation. It's ESPN throwing the tantrum here.

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14 minutes ago, irishtexan said:

The committee has to stop pretending like Conference Championship games don't happen. We all can't act like we didn't see Alabama get utterly outclassed by Georgia. We know they don't belong. But I don't know how you make it fair. 

However, if that's gonna be your position, you can't punish BYU and not punish Bama. The whole thing is absurd.

But most of all, fuck Notre Dame. 

Byu didn't get punished for losing. They were already ranked out of the playoff before the ccg.

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Just now, Lou_Sassle said:

Byu didn't get punished for losing. They were already ranked out of the playoff before the ccg.

But they dropped below Miami in the rankings, putting Miami and ND next to each other, which, for some fucking retarded reason made everyone wake the fuck up and realize Miami beat ND and they have the same record, which basically is why we have this thread right now. 

Posted
12 minutes ago, notre dame joe said:

We don't have a conference commissioner or any repa on the CFP to b**** to.  And it's clear that the ACC does not advocate for our interests. By being independent it means the only outlet is public.
 


Or ---- and hear me out ----  you just accept that that's the way things go sometimes and you don't always get the breaks, understand that bitching publicly will accomplish nothing except make the rest of college football hate you because they'll learn that you're getting preferential treatment, then man  up and go play in your bowl game. 

 

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26 minutes ago, irishtexan said:

The committee has to stop pretending like Conference Championship games don't happen. We all can't act like we didn't see Alabama get utterly outclassed by Georgia. We know they don't belong. But I don't know how you make it fair. 

However, if that's gonna be your position, you can't punish BYU and not punish Bama. The whole thing is absurd.

But most of all, fuck Notre Dame. 

This has been explained so many goddamned times I just can't do it anymore. 

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Posted
19 minutes ago, notre dame joe said:

Bowls extend invitations, we declined their invitation. It's ESPN throwing the tantrum here.

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I swear, y'all look more pathetic by the minute. 

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11 minutes ago, 'stache said:

This has been explained so many goddamned times I just can't do it anymore. 

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8 minutes ago, 'stache said:

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I swear, y'all look more pathetic by the minute. 

you take posting on another school's message board way to fucking seriously

Posted
28 minutes ago, Lou_Sassle said:

Byu didn't get punished for losing. They were already ranked out of the playoff before the ccg.

The G5 tie in indicated that BYU would have been bumped out before the CCG.  That's not the PC's decision.  The PC absolutely did punish BYU by dropping them for CCG loss, while for Bama they did not. 

19 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:


Or ---- and hear me out ----  you just accept that that's the way things go sometimes and you don't always get the breaks, understand that bitching publicly will accomplish nothing except make the rest of college football hate you because they'll learn that you're getting preferential treatment, then man  up and go play in your bowl game. 

 

In this situation, sitting altar boy still will accomplish nothing. They now know that screwing ND comes with a price.

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8 minutes ago, notre dame joe said:

The G5 tie in indicated that BYU would have been bumped out before the CCG.  That's not the PC's decision.  The PC absolutely did punish BYU by dropping them for CCG loss, while for Bama they did not. 

In this situation, sitting altar boy still will accomplish nothing. They now know that screwing ND comes with a price.

Notre Dame screwed Notre Dame by scheduling the way you do and not being in a conference. The lack of responsibility from ND fans is hilarious. Nobody forced ND to avoid joining a conference or scheduling well. If you had something to point to other than random metrics (like actual decent wins) you would have a point of consternation. Until you put skins on the wall, don't complain. 

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46 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Jennifer Lawrence Thumbs Up GIF

I swear, y'all look more pathetic by the minute. 

It's wild. As far as I remember, he's legitimately been a solid poster before this. But he got swept up in the frenzy. 

Posted
21 minutes ago, notre dame joe said:

The G5 tie in indicated that BYU would have been bumped out before the CCG.  That's not the PC's decision.  The PC absolutely did punish BYU by dropping them for CCG loss, while for Bama they did not. 

It literally didn't matter to byu, though. They still wouldn't have made the playoff even if they didn't drop that 1 spot. The end result was the same. Not really a punishment. 

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