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Just now, hobbes2702 said:

It’s fucking moronic. We had the best olineman in the nation and were a finalist for the Moore award. You’re just pretending that we weren’t an elite offensive line and cherry picking 3 games. 
Name all the olines better than ours last year. Now compare that oline to this one. You’re just dishonest 

I'm asking a simple question of why we couldn't run the football in the 4 most important games we played last year. Michigan rushed for 172 yards on Ohio State right before we played them. Still waiting on an answer. 

Posted
6 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

It’s fucking moronic. We had the best olineman in the nation and were a finalist for the Moore award. You’re just pretending that we weren’t an elite offensive line and cherry picking 3 games. 
Name all the olines better than ours last year. Now compare that oline to this one. You’re just dishonest 

Because he constantly pretends that the offense last year and the prior year wasn’t extremely talented 

You know how these things work, right? The year prior you are on the watchlist for awards due to expectations. We came from the Big12 to the SEC. Obviously a huge difference in line play, but we were already on the watchlist. The measure of a good line is being able to run the football, right? So why couldn't we run the football against those teams? Why aren't you answering such a simple question? 

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11 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

I'm asking a simple question of why we couldn't run the football in the 4 most important games we played last year. Michigan rushed for 172 yards on Ohio State right before we played them. Still waiting on an answer. 

I gave you one already. Those teams are good. It happens.

How did such a mediocre offensive line manage to produce the best lineman in the nation and finish as one of the three best according to everyone? Dishonest

5 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

You know how these things work, right? The year prior you are on the watchlist for awards due to expectations. We came from the Big12 to the SEC. Obviously a huge difference in line play, but we were already on the watchlist. The measure of a good line is being able to run the football, right? So why couldn't we run the football against those teams? Why aren't you answering such a simple question? 

No that isn’t the measure of a good line unless you’re a simplistic moron with an agenda. I’m sure you’re aware but offensive lines do more than just run block.

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Posted
14 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

We objectively will never know what Arch would have done with last years offense or what Ewers would have done with this one. Y’all gotta stop doing this every month.

Agreed. But we can clearly see the difference in talent throughout the offense this year vs last.

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1 minute ago, hobbes2702 said:

I gave you one already. Those teams are good. It happens.

How did such a mediocre offensive line manage to produce the best lineman in the nation and finish as one of the three best according to everyone? Dishonest

No that isn’t the measure of a good line unless you’re a simplistic moron with an agenda.

You are basing your evidence on opinion. I am basing my evidence on the CONSISTENT inability to run the football vs quality fronts. That's not dishonest. I would toss in the pass pro breaking down in those same games but you would just blame that on the QB. So we can keep it to running for now. 

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27 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

No one is willing to answer the question? 

first off, someone immediately did answer the question. second, it’s a strawman argument that has nothing to do with the actual discussion vis a vis the talent that quinn ewers had around him vs the talent on this year’s team. quinn had superior talent across the board the last two years vs what Arch is working with this year, and since you know you can’t argue against that fact you’re just creating new arguments about tangential shit instead of just being honest and moving on.

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1 minute ago, Thatguy said:

You are basing your evidence on opinion. I am basing my evidence on the CONSISTENT inability to run the football vs quality fronts. That's not dishonest. I would toss in the pass pro breaking down in those same games but you would just blame that on the QB. So we can keep it to running for now. 

Army, Oregon, etc also had multiple bad games where they struggled to establish and effective run game. Did those Olines suck too?

Posted
26 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Because he constantly pretends that the offense last year and the prior year wasn’t extremely talented 

and he does so with straw man arguments like, “well then how come we didn’t run the ball well in our hardest games?” when the actual discussion is whether nor not last year’s o line was better than this one. or he’ll call matthew golden an nfl flop as “evidence” that matthew golden wasn’t actually all that good in college, as if that isn’t the most disingenuous argument one can make. “charlie ward threw for zero TDs in the nfl, he was bad at football for florida state.” see how dishonest that is?

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6 minutes ago, Derka said:

first off, someone immediately did answer the question. second, it’s a strawman argument that has nothing to do with the actual discussion vis a vis the talent that quinn ewers had around him vs the talent on this year’s team. quinn had superior talent across the board the last two years, and since you know you can’t argue against that plight you’re creating new arguments about tangential shit instead of *you* just being honest and moving on.

No one has answered the question Derka. The reason we couldn't run the football is because we were extremely weak at the same two positions we are weak at now. C/RG. So we couldn't get a push up the middle vs solid fronts. Because of that Sark switched our base run to Outside Zone. But you can't run sideways against fast fronts. I said that to say this. If we had the same struggles last year running the football vs the Georgia's of the world as we did this year how do you suppose Arch would do anything different than what happened this year with the same exact problem? 

Explain to me how he would magically fix that and have us beating Georgia and Ohio State? 

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we also went into last year with either our rb3 or rb4 having to be our rb1. we also have sark who loves to abandon the run early for a myriad of reasons. there were also game specific reasons for each of those performances, none of which have anything to do with the fact that the offensive talent from last year’s team was clearly, inarguably superior to that of this year’s team.

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“can you guys stop doing this?”

one guy came in here and posted “quinn ewers last year was better than arch is today” and then proceeded to clutter these pages full of lies about last year’s team’s talent level plus a bunch of tangential, straw man bullshit to further derail this thread. don’t say “you guys” or “y’all” when there is one specific person who insists on repeatedly bringing quinn ewers into this thread and then invariably following that up with 50 more totally asinine posts all designed to prop up quinn while denigrating everyone else who’s played at Texas in the last 3-4 years.

the world according to ThatGuy:

•all those all americans, award winners, and nfl draft picks:bad at football 

arch manning: worse than the qb who ranked 200th nationally and 13/14 in the sec last year according to PFF 

quinn ewers:

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Derka said:

we also went into last year with either our rb3 or rb4 having to be our rb1. we also have sark who loves to abandon the run early for a myriad of reasons. there were also game specific reasons for each of those performances, none of which have anything to do with the fact that the offensive talent from last year’s team was clearly, inarguably superior to that of this year’s team.

How would Arch change anything about why we couldn't run the football? They spied Arch this year and he ran 5 times for 0 yards. 

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4 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

How would Arch change anything about why we couldn't run the football? They spied Arch this year and he ran 5 times for 0 yards. 

you’re totally right, this year’s o line is better than the one from last year led by kelvin banks and unanimously hailed as a top 3 o line in college football, great argument.

Posted
3 minutes ago, Derka said:

you’re totally right, this year’s o line is better than the one from last year led by kelvin banks and unanimously hailed as a top 3 o line in college football, great argument.

It's not about whether or not YOU or I think it was better. It's about it could not run the football vs good fronts all last year, and therefore wouldn't have offered Arch anything different to win those games vs Georgia twice or Ohio State. Arch still would've been in 3rd and long just like he was this year. Nothing would've changed. That line would've offered the same shit sandwich that this line did. You seeing what I am saying yet?

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The great oline in college football does not exist. Every oline in the country has bad games and good games. College football is so unpredictable great to good to bad is week to week. It’s all about matchups and game plans. That decides if you have a great offensive line that week. Show me the best oline in the country and I’ll watch enough tape to say they suck. Alabama’s oline looks like they are the worst and our oline is miles better. At least this week. 

Posted
24 minutes ago, Derka said:

“can you guys stop doing this?”

one guy came in here and posted “quinn ewers last year was better than arch is today” and then proceeded to clutter these pages full of lies about last year’s team’s talent level plus a bunch of tangential, straw man bullshit to further derail this thread. don’t say “you guys” or “y’all” when there is one specific person who insists on repeatedly bringing quinn ewers into this thread and then invariably following that up with 50 more totally asinine posts all designed to prop up quinn while denigrating everyone else who’s played at Texas in the last 3-4 years.

 

Maybe you've figured it out by now, but I get frustrated with you because periodically you spout wild theories based on zero football logic. 

Every linemen we had last year could've won every award there is to win. It wouldn't change the fact that we couldn't run the football versus quality fronts. When Sark was at Bama he ran Inside Zone? Why? Because you can run more stuff off of it like play action and RPOs. When he got here we tried to run it and the only reason it worked is because Bijan can get his own yards. However, it became pretty clear, especially once we got to the SEC, that we couldn't block worth a shit in the interior. So we changed to being Outside Zone based. Why? Because Outside Zone is the Tai Chi of running philosophies. You don't have to be strong to be good at it. You are just using the defender's momentum against him. 

However, when you play a fast disciplined front, they beat your linemen to all their spots, and that's why we cannot run on Georgia, Ohio State, or even ASU. Oklahoma and Aggy have talent on their fronts but no discipline. They jump around in gaps and end up leaving alleys for a guy like Wisner to take advantage of. 

I asked you why we couldn't run to see what your answer would be. I am surprised you didn't blame the quarterback. 

My irritation with your comment comes because we literally just saw a couple weeks ago what Arch would look like behind a line that couldn't run the football and had a bunch of penalties, and still you claim Arch would've won those games last year when he was literally just facing the same situation two weeks ago and we scored 10 points. Here are the 3rd down yardages Quinn saw in the SEC Championship game. Also 11 penalties for 94 yards. 5 drops too. 

 

3rd and 4
3rd and 9
3rd and 14
3rd and 27
3rd and 14
3rd and 5
3rd and 26
3rd and 5
3rd and 4
3rd and 22
3rd and 15
3rd and 10
3rd and 3
3rd and 17
3rd and 3
3rd and 15
3rd and 5
3rd and 10

 

Only 7 out of 18 times were we in a realistic down and distance. Arch wasn't winning with that. Now back to your regularly scheduled programming. 

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Posted
17 hours ago, Thatguy said:

Derka, Arch still can't throw basic routes to keep the offense on schedule bro. That's the most important aspect to QBing. Sark has found what he can do well and is doing a solid job of featuring it. 

No, no.  I have been assured that Sark is a stubborn, drunken idiot that won't change anything to fit his players especially since his personal life is out of control.

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OL is a concern mainly guards and center. Another concern is Sark instance on running up the middle. Wisners best runs come from outside zone or stretch runs allowing him to pick the hole as it opens. His best runs last year and this years has come from these run plays. Sark wants to be a smash mouth up the middle run team and play action pass off those runs but he doesn’t have the OL to run that style. 

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With the exception of Wisner in a couple of games the RBs have been a huge disapointment, and there have been multiple other issues, but it just has to be noted for posterity that, for whatever reason, Arch had his head up his ass during the first part of the season. He played well last year and he is playing even better now. Your skills don't come and go. The guy was having psychological issues. He could'nt even believe how bad he was playing. He's human. He cracked under the pressure, and by the time he got it together their season was shot. Hopefully the episode was a one-off.

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51 minutes ago, Farmer Vincent said:

With the exception of Wisner in a couple of games the RBs have been a huge disapointment, and there have been multiple other issues, but it just has to be noted for posterity that, for whatever reason, Arch had his head up his ass during the first part of the season. He played well last year and he is playing even better now. Your skills don't come and go. The guy was having psychological issues. He could'nt even believe how bad he was playing. He's human. He cracked under the pressure, and by the time he got it together their season was shot. Hopefully the episode was a one-off.

He cracked under the pressure when he found out his o line was hot garbage. I dont think the staff was worried about the o line over the summer. None of them saw it coming and it was a complete abomination. Tough spot for Arch all things considered. 

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And the expectations for Arch and this team were completely unreasonable, and that was certainly not Arch’s fault. Anytime you have a new, inexperienced starter at QB, there will be a blip. Add people crowning him because he’s a Manning… it was too much. But he’s grown into it finally.
 

He’s not perfect, but man he is light years better than he was in Columbus. Glad he’s our guy. 

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Based on some QB stuff I heard about Arch this summer, I think one of the things thats been drilled in his head is your first job as QB is to protect the ball. So you start running for your life and getting hit and not having any time and all of a sudden your only thought turns into "just dont turn the ball over". I think we saw a lot of deer in headlights moments early in the season where it was setting in that his o line couldnt even protect him against teams like Utep. 

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34 minutes ago, BlackCat said:

Based on some QB stuff I heard about Arch this summer, I think one of the things thats been drilled in his head is your first job as QB is to protect the ball. So you start running for your life and getting hit and not having any time and all of a sudden your only thought turns into "just dont turn the ball over". I think we saw a lot of deer in headlights moments early in the season where it was setting in that his o line couldnt even protect him against teams like Utep. 

I can believe this but out of curiosity is second hand knowledge, speculating or legit information?

Ohio State was a combination of things.   Turns out OSUs pass defense is pretty good.  Gambling, Minnesota, Rutgers, Purdue, Michigan all had less than 100 yards passing.  Ohio had 113 but 67 on one play.  UCLA had 154 but 100+ after they were down 34-0.  Only Altmyer had 200+ and 100+ was in the 4th down 24.  OSU had good pressure too.  So probably some confusion, add a little pressure and add in some self doubt.

He played well versus SJSU and SHSU.

UTEP was an anomaly from a run/pass ratio standpoint and his misses were different.  The first 4th and 4, Wingo screwed that up.  Then it was simply misses.  The gameplan didn’t get him involved early.  And he was working with many backups which made things worse.  Protection was actually decent here.

Then UF and up until Vandy is when the pressure cranked up.  Lots of pressure.  Quick pressure.  Interior pressure.

The A&M game was not entirely different than earlier games like OSu or Kentucky except we had fewer penalties and brought our run game.   And of course we won so the misses  and not hitting certain open guys were largely ignored.  I’m not being overly critical cause I think that’s normal QB type stuff.

There can be over coaching of the QB position.  I’m still not convinced we didn’t see it last year.  The pressure he has endured makes it very difficult to be consistent.

 

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23 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

I can believe this but out of curiosity is second hand knowledge, speculating or legit information?

Ohio State was a combination of things.   Turns out OSUs pass defense is pretty good.  Gambling, Minnesota, Rutgers, Purdue, Michigan all had less than 100 yards passing.  Ohio had 113 but 67 on one play.  UCLA had 154 but 100+ after they were down 34-0.  Only Altmyer had 200+ and 100+ was in the 4th down 24.  OSU had good pressure too.  So probably some confusion, add a little pressure and add in some self doubt.

He played well versus SJSU and SHSU.

UTEP was an anomaly from a run/pass ratio standpoint and his misses were different.  The first 4th and 4, Wingo screwed that up.  Then it was simply misses.  The gameplan didn’t get him involved early.  And he was working with many backups which made things worse.  Protection was actually decent here.

Then UF and up until Vandy is when the pressure cranked up.  Lots of pressure.  Quick pressure.  Interior pressure.

The A&M game was not entirely different than earlier games like OSu or Kentucky except we had fewer penalties and brought our run game.   And of course we won so the misses  and not hitting certain open guys were largely ignored.  I’m not being overly critical cause I think that’s normal QB type stuff.

There can be over coaching of the QB position.  I’m still not convinced we didn’t see it last year.  The pressure he has endured makes it very difficult to be consistent.

 

I talked to a couple of his coaches this summer. They both basically acted like Arch and our offense were going to be so good that now he just needs to do the right stuff to handle the pressure of everything going into ohio state. One talked about how from day 1 hes been taught to protect the ball, limit sacks, and dont take unnecessary hits trying to run the ball. So Im just kind of connecting some dots based on that conversation which lasted about an hour. The other coach is basically just a guy outside of the staff that he can vent to I think. He was mostly talking to Arch about how to deal with the media, telling him to stay off his phone, avoid distractions etc. 

Posted
18 hours ago, Armybrat said:

Gottdam….what a bunch of cackling hens.

The 3 threads competing for the absolute worst on this hellsite are about:

Vince Young

Quinn Ewers

Arch Manning

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Posted
2 hours ago, 52-80 said:

The 3 threads competing for the absolute worst on this hellsite are about:

Vince Young

Quinn Ewers

Arch Manning

Sounds like somebody needs to start the KJ Lacey thread. 

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Listening to Dan Patrick show.   Spoke to NFL scout who said Arch would be the #1 overall pick.  Mendoza is good but there’s nothing that stands out skill wise.  New Orleans has the 2, Cleveland 3, and the Jets are at 7.  They even joked about arch replacing sheduer.  

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I think we are lucky that Arch has his grandad to tell him about how to handle himself behind shitty OL's.  "Let me tell you a story, boy...."
 

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I think it's because his family is a strong believer that it's important to enjoy the college experience while you can and also that you need 25+ college starts before you're ready for the NFL.

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Posted
1 minute ago, kevwun said:

Yeah, but he would still be the No 1 pick if he came out this year.

I think so too. Hopefully Sark gets his head out of his ass and puts some better pieces around him for next season. 

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On 11/30/2025 at 7:41 AM, Armybrat said:

Gottdam….what a bunch of cackling hens.

yep. there should be a quinn thread for quinn and keep Arch thread for arch

keep choppin' wood

 

 

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Posted
13 minutes ago, kevwun said:

Yeah, but he would still be the No 1 pick if he came out this year.

And last year

And next year

And if he stayed another year 

He’s been the projected #1 pick for like 4 years 

Posted
2 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Wasn’t draft eligible last year.  This looks to be another down year for qb prospects.  Unsure about 27

Bro it’s a joke. He’s been the projected #1 draft pick since he was a junior in HS. I

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On 11/30/2025 at 12:07 AM, Thatguy said:

No one has answered the question Derka. The reason we couldn't run the football is because we were extremely weak at the same two positions we are weak at now. C/RG. So we couldn't get a push up the middle vs solid fronts. Because of that Sark switched our base run to Outside Zone. But you can't run sideways against fast fronts. I said that to say this. If we had the same struggles last year running the football vs the Georgia's of the world as we did this year how do you suppose Arch would do anything different than what happened this year with the same exact problem? 

Explain to me how he would magically fix that and have us beating Georgia and Ohio State? 

Texas was not extremely weak at Center and RG. Hell, the RG got drafted. He was one of the best pass blocking guards I have ever seen at Texas. 

Posted
1 minute ago, Codaxx said:

Texas was not extremely weak at Center and RG. Hell, the RG got drafted. He was one of the best pass blocking guards I have ever seen at Texas. 

We had a great OL last year.  This year not so much.  Sark and/or Flood fell asleep in the off season

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4 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

We had a great OL last year.  This year not so much.  Sark and/or Flood fell asleep in the off season

This OL was terrible and not even close to the 2024 unit. Arch makes this OL look passable. Quinn would have died behind this OL. I believe that Texas is in the playoffs, if Stroh/Brooks combo is not playing at Florida. That was an embarrassment and 100% on the coaches. 

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