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11 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

Hegseth is a total idiot but he’s not totally wrong. There were many in this thread that liked the first reports of their nuclear program not being destroyed and the materials being moved out before hand.  

My position is basically even if all of it, every gram of HEU is atomized and all 3 of those sites are reduced to a fine powder (and there is still a lot of uncertainty here), it still is just effectively kicking the can down the road. I think @atomheartbevo's assessment of what they will do is accurate, and I think in the long run it would benefit everyone to reinstate the terms of the JCPOA and put in place even stricter enforcement methods if deemed necessary. Trump's language indicates that he wants to do something like that, which pisses me off even more that he tore the original deal up in the first place.

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2 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

My position is basically even if all of it, every gram of HEU is atomized and all 3 of those sites are reduced to a fine powder (and there is still a lot of uncertainty here), it still is just effectively kicking the can down the road. I think @atomheartbevo's assessment of what they will do is accurate, and I think in the long run it would benefit everyone to reinstate the terms of the JCPOA and put in place even stricter enforcement methods if deemed necessary. Trump's language indicates that he wants to do something like that, which pisses me off even more that he tore the original deal up in the first place.

It's kicking the can down the road, but the distance (in terms of months or years or decades) of how far the can flies is absolutely the metric by which you judge success and failure.

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14 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

It's kicking the can down the road, but the distance (in terms of months or years or decades) of how far the can flies is absolutely the metric by which you judge success and failure.

Sure, but kicking the can down the road ultimately costs us far more money and resources, and potentially American lives in the future if we have to keep doing this and things go really sour. I'm always an advocate for more long term, stable solutions that can work for everyone at least on some level.

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20 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

I think you needn't bother.

Imma and Liucci should work out something akin to a hostage exchange. Think how happy Rex would be amongst all the pudding brained rubes. Hell, he might actually become something of a thought leader over there. 

 

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Posted
5 hours ago, bolverk said:

Full text of the article cited above about IDF soldiers ordered to kill unarmed Palestinians around food distribution sites:

https://archive.is/rHhMU

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The situation in Gaza is truly heart breaking.  I really do not know what to make of a situation where aid can't even be provided safely.  And it is not just one side at fault for that.  The reality at this point is that Israel is the bigger bear by far and Hamas needs to give up if it has even a sliver of care for its people.  I'm not saying Israel doesnt deserve blame.  I'm saying sometimes you have to face reality if you care about your kids.

As to the article, if we have learned anything in the last few years it should be that anonymous quotes in articles are worthless.  They may actually be true, but if there isn't a name attached it is worthless.  

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22 hours ago, sheeeit said:

The situation in Gaza is truly heart breaking.  I really do not know what to make of a situation where aid can't even be provided safely.  And it is not just one side at fault for that.  The reality at this point is that Israel is the bigger bear by far and Hamas needs to give up if it has even a sliver of care for its people.  I'm not saying Israel doesnt deserve blame.  I'm saying sometimes you have to face reality if you care about your kids.

As to the article, if we have learned anything in the last few years it should be that anonymous quotes in articles are worthless.  They may actually be true, but if there isn't a name attached it is worthless.  

You know who funds Hamas?  Where do you think those duffles bags with millions of dollars from Qatar came from?  And you think Hamas is at these refugee camps where it’s majority women and children?  What do you mean both sides are at fault?  These people are caged inside by a wall like animals and have been suppressed for years.  A 12 year old Israeli boy who throws a rock has the police called on him, if that, where his parents get to be present and goes through a juvenile system.  A 12 year old Palestinian boy gets taken to a military prison, without notifying parents and gets charged as an adult.  These people have no rights.  Literally they have no rights.
 

Israel is not only stopping aid from getting in there, they are shooting marks UN vehicles on purpose.  They have killed 233 UN workers.   They are using these trucks as bait to shoot civilians.  This has nothing to do with Hamas.  They just got caught shooting an entire ambulance responder squad that was going to help injured civilians that got bombed.  The ambulances had their lights and sirens on.  They used the injured civilians as bait, waited for the 15 responders to get out, and shot all of them in the open.  They then buried all the responders and the ambulances.  When the military was questioned, they stated the ambulances were not marked cars.  Humanitarians dug up the bodies and one of the responders recorded the whole incident on his phone before he was shot where it showed sirens on in clearly marked vehicles as ambulances.  They all got shot from a firing squad hiding waiting for them to show up to help the civilians.  This is against international law and a war crime.  When the video was presented to Israeli officials, they said it was a miscalculation.  

I can post the video here if you would like.  My point is that this is not both parties fault.  An entire population is being murdered openly that had nothing to do with Oct 7th.  This is not some military operation to get hostages back.  This is Netanyahu funding Hamas to create conflict so he can carry out this ethnic cleansing that he has always wanted to do.
 

I know you have good intentions with your post and I’m happy that you’re acknowledging that this is heart breaking.  But you need to look past the propaganda you are fed by the media here.  This is a genocide.  They are not evening hiding it.  Just listen the Israeli party members talk opening about killing the kids because they will grow ok to be Hamas.   

16500 confirmed dead children in under 1 year.  Not Hamas.  Not grown men.  Children.

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The US and Israel have done more work to create radical terrorists in the Middle East than anyone and then we act surprised and offended when radical terrorists do terrorist things. Well, yeah, what else were you expecting?

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18 minutes ago, royiv said:

The US and Israel have done more work to create radical terrorists in the Middle East than anyone and then we act surprised and offended when radical terrorists do terrorist things. Well, yeah, what else were you expecting?

I would definitely react super calmly and not look for retaliation at all if my wife and kids got shot waiting in line for food. 

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On 6/27/2025 at 12:40 PM, Hook1997 said:

Hegseth is a total idiot but he’s not totally wrong. There were many in this thread that liked the first reports of their nuclear program not being destroyed and the materials being moved out before hand.  

Did you graduate high school?

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On 6/27/2025 at 2:02 AM, Ted Lange said:

Rex:  Politics in the Daily Texan is illegal sir, and I never neg

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This was the only thing worth looking at tonight. 

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Posted (edited)
4 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

Did you graduate high school?

Ah yea, but I would never think to like the first post that is literally just the news about a possible negative outcome of a bombing of Iran’s nuclear program no matter what side did it  and regardless of the actions that lead up to it, but that’s just me. I know totally crazy and uneducated way to think that way.  The later posts, jokes and debates about it sure, that’s different.  A lot of people from “both sides” these days have a bit of inner, if this doesn’t workout I’ll kinda enjoy it no matter what it is. 

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26 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

A lot of people from “both sides” these days have a bit of inner, if this doesn’t workout I’ll kinda enjoy it no matter what it is. 

Could you diagram this sentence and then explain what the hell it’s supposed to mean? Also, please expand upon “I’ll kinda enjoy it no matter what it is.”

What is it? What exact part of noncombatant civilians being murdered in cold blood do you "enjoy"?

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16 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Could you diagram this sentence and then explain what the hell it’s supposed to mean? Also, please expand upon “I’ll kinda enjoy it no matter what it is.”

What is it? What exact part of noncombatant civilians being murdered in cold blood do you "enjoy"?

It’s 12 on a Saturday, I’m pretty sure you can figure it out…. So.   Who’s being murdered?  They had days of forwarding to get out of the sites.  “That kinda enjoy it” is self explanatory. Funny how the offenders come out so fast.  

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Just now, Hook1997 said:

It’s 12 on a Saturday…. So.   Who’s being murdered?  They had days of forwarding to get out of the sites.  The kinda enjoy it self explanatory. 

Go to bed. You’re fucking drunk.

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5 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Go to bed. You’re fucking drunk.

The point makes sense, stop getting offended so easy. It’s a different opinion of a person on a message board.  If you don’t feel that way it’s ok.  You might want to go to bed if that didn’t make sense at all to you.  

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1 minute ago, Hook1997 said:

It’s 12 on a Saturday…. So.   Who’s being murdered?  They had days of forwarding to get out of the sites.  The kinda enjoy it self explanatory. 

 

It appears like someone got into JesusSweatDuck's stash. 

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2 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

The point makes sense, stop getting offended so easy. It’s a different opinion of a person on a message board.  If you don’t feel that way it’s ok.  You might want to go to bed if that didn’t make sense at all to you.  

What doesn’t make sense to me is when people, such as yourself, handwave away the murder of starving women and children as if their lives held no value.

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Just now, bolverk said:

What doesn’t make sense to me is when people, such as yourself, handwave away the murder of starving women and children as if their lives held no value.

So they had children at the nuclear sites?  I think you are drunker than me actually and lumping different things together… 

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9 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

So they had children at the nuclear sites?  I think you are drunker than me actually and lumping different things together… 

I suppose you’re not aware that this thread was originally intended for what was going on in Gaza, but then, when Israel started bombing Iran someone had the bright idea of changing the title and allowing the Israel/Iran shit to be posted in here under the title of "Isreal vs Everyone," which is an add-on bonus war to the ongoing ethnic cleansing taking place in Gaza and the West Bank, which is what the last page of posts has been covering almost exclusively.

The Iran shit is done (for now) and we're back on the original topic. Keep up.

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14 minutes ago, bolverk said:

I suppose you’re not aware that this thread was originally intended for what was going on in Gaza, but then, when Israel started bombing Iran someone had the bright idea of changing the title and allowing the Israel/Iran shit to be posted in here under the title of "Isreal vs Everyone," which is an add-on bonus war to the ongoing ethnic cleansing taking place in Gaza and the West Bank, which is what the last page of posts has been covering almost exclusively.

The Iran shit is done (for now) and we're back on the original topic. Keep up.

The post was literally about one aspect not relating it to anything else and that was explained….  The bombing and the results, stop stance.  Go to bed. This is exactly what I was talking about, you proved my point.  The failure of people being able to compartmentalize things without politics. 

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I guess this is the thread for this. Two days ago, many sites reported on the Pentagon releasing tape of MOP “bunker busters” being tested. Yesterday, the reporting was that the US did not drop MOP BBs in Iran.

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The US did not drop the Massive Ordinance Penetrator bunker buster bomb on the Isfahan nuclear site because it was so deep underground that it would have likely not been effective, CNN reports, citing comments made by a top US general to senators Thursday.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/us-didnt-use-mop-bunker-buster-on-isfahan-nuclear-site-because-facility-was-too-deep-report/

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We need a moratorium on drunk arguing on surly. If you're gonna drunk post, go post some tits in NSAA or something. Getting loaded and coming here to bitch at people for not being big enough supporters of the military or whatever is pathetic. 

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10 hours ago, Hook1997 said:

It’s 12 on a Saturday, I’m pretty sure you can figure it out…. So.   Who’s being murdered?  They had days of forwarding to get out of the sites.  “That kinda enjoy it” is self explanatory. Funny how the offenders come out so fast.  

Where are they supposed to go?  They are caged in.  They can’t go into any other country.  They can’t go anywhere.  The ones that went to refugee camps weren’t warned about any bombs coming.  Or what about the ones walking to refugee camps that were attacked by drones.  You know how sick it gets, the drones target then youngest child when these families are walking to find refuge.  They only kill one and aim to kill the youngest one.  I’m sure those toddlers are given fair warning… do you find this sick and twisted?  

Also, giving a warning is not an excuse to flatten an entire country with bombs on civilians that had nothing to do with October 7th.  But that would require you to be educated about what’s happening, which is very clear you are not.   I don’t blame you because the information from the media and politicians here is censored and propaganda.  Now if you are educated about what’s happening and you still support 50,000 civilians that were killed, roughly 2.5% of their entire population in the last 9 months… then I have nothing else to say to you. 

 

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10 minutes ago, victory88 said:

Where are they supposed to go?  They are caged in.  They can’t go into any other country.  They can’t go anywhere.  The ones that went to refugee camps weren’t warned about any bombs coming.  Or what about the ones walking to refugee camps that were attacked by drones.  You know how sick it gets, the drones target then youngest child when these families are walking to find refuge.  They only kill one and aim to kill the youngest one.  I’m sure those toddlers are given fair warning… do you find this sick and twisted?  

Also, giving a warning is not an excuse to flatten an entire country with bombs on civilians that had nothing to do with October 7th.  But that would require you to be educated about what’s happening, which is very clear you are not.   I don’t blame you because the information from the media and politicians here is censored and propaganda.  Now if you are educated about what’s happening and you still support 50,000 civilians that were killed, roughly 2.5% of their entire population in the last 9 months… then I have nothing else to say to you. 

 

Sounds like Hamas needs to stop starting wars. 

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2 hours ago, Willfully Horn said:

I guess this is the thread for this. Two days ago, many sites reported on the Pentagon releasing tape of MOP “bunker busters” being tested. Yesterday, the reporting was that the US did not drop MOP BBs in Iran.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/us-didnt-use-mop-bunker-buster-on-isfahan-nuclear-site-because-facility-was-too-deep-report/

One site didn’t get that ordinance, but two others did. The media mostly focused on Fordow (where they were used) but we also hit Nantz and this site. Submarine launched cruise missiles went to Isfahan. 

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33 minutes ago, Hitch said:

Sounds like Hamas needs to stop starting wars. 

Well Hamas didn’t start the Israel/Palastine conflict that has been on going for decades.

Also I agree.  Hamas should be eliminated.  That would require Netanyahu to stop funneling money to them through Qatar.  It would also require Israel to hunt down Hamas and not drop bombs on innocent civilians, kill humanitarians, shoot toddlers in the head, and starving them with a siege.

What’s happening in Gaza right now has nothing to do with retaliation against Hamas for Oct 7th.  
 

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2 minutes ago, victory88 said:

Well Hamas didn’t start the Israel/Palastine conflict that has been on going for decades.

Also I agree.  Hamas should be eliminated.  That would require Netanyahu to stop funneling money to them through Qatar.  It would also require Israel to hunt down Hamas and not drop bombs on innocent civilians, kill humanitarians, shoot toddlers in the head, and starving them with a siege.

What’s happening in Gaza right now has nothing to do with retaliation against Hamas for Oct 7th.  
 

Of course it does. Many, many civilians die in every war, which is why it’s a very bad idea to start them. They need to stop. 

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3 minutes ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

 

Was Israel regularly doing these alleged things before Oct 7th?

Of course not. War is hell. 

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1 minute ago, Brian Fantana said:

I'm just asking questions, I promise I'm not a Nazi Zionist.

You have no fucking clue what you're talking about, dipshit. Fuck off.

You seem well adjusted. 

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31 minutes ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

 

Was Israel regularly doing these alleged things before Oct 7th?

Killing women, children, and journalists? They were, unfortunately.

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34 minutes ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

 

Was Israel regularly doing these alleged things before Oct 7th?

IDF are shooting toddlers and young adolescents in the head and chest daily. This is well documented by trauma surgeons volunteering over there. Targeted shooting of children is not part of war. 
 

I’m going to neg every post you make on this thread going forward. If a couple other posters do the same and you do your part you can be gone by this evening 

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57 minutes ago, Hitch said:

Of course it does. Many, many civilians die in every war, which is why it’s a very bad idea to start them. They need to stop. 

Jesus.

Proposition 1: Civilians die in wars, because wars are messy.  TRUE.

Proposition 2: Intentionally TARGETING civilians (as opposed to them being incidental casualties) is a war crime.  ALSO TRUE.

The issue here is not Proposition 1 (sure, it merits its own discussion, the full scope of the war, etc., but that's not what is being raised re the food distribution point slaughters).  The issue is Proposition 2.  

There is much reason to conclude/evidence demonstrating that the IDF is intentionally targeting and killing civilians at food aid distribution points.  If that is true, it is a war crime.  We should not support the commission of war crimes, we should demand accountability for such war crimes, particularly because they are using our weapons etc. to do so.

Jesus fucking christ, the dismissal - FFS, the GLEE - reflected in posts that are okay with the intentional murder of civilians is fucking sick.  If you support the INTENTIONAL targeting of civilians in Gaza because Hamas is bad and started shit it shouldn't have, you are a genuinely evil piece of shit.

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Just now, Brisketexan said:

Jesus.

Proposition 1: Civilians die in wars, because wars are messy.  TRUE.

Proposition 2: Intentionally TARGETING civilians (as opposed to them being incidental casualties) is a war crime.  ALSO TRUE.

The issue here is not Proposition 1 (sure, it merits its own discussion, the full scope of the war, etc., but that's not what is being raised re the food distribution point slaughters).  The issue is Proposition 2.  

There is much reason to conclude/evidence demonstrating that the IDF is intentionally targeting and killing civilians at food aid distribution points.  If that is true, it is a war crime.  We should not support the commission of war crimes, we should demand accountability for such war crimes, particularly because they are using our weapons etc. to do so.

Jesus fucking christ, the dismissal - FFS, the GLEE - reflected in posts that are okay with the intentional murder of civilians is fucking sick.  If you support the INTENTIONAL targeting of civilians in Gaza because Hamas is bad and started shit it shouldn't have, you are a genuinely evil piece of shit.

I’m not ok with it, that’s not the point here. There’s a reason Hamas hides children in weapon stockpiles. Civilian deaths are a masturbatory release for them. There’s certainly evil involved here, you’re just looking in the wrong direction. The group that hates Palestinians the most is their own leadership. 

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