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3 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

Did you graduate high school?

Middle of the class from Calhoun High School in Port Lavaca. 

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Posted (edited)
4 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

Did you graduate high school?

Ah yea, but I would never think to like the first post that is literally just the news about a possible negative outcome of a bombing of Iran’s nuclear program no matter what side did it  and regardless of the actions that lead up to it, but that’s just me. I know totally crazy and uneducated way to think that way.  The later posts, jokes and debates about it sure, that’s different.  A lot of people from “both sides” these days have a bit of inner, if this doesn’t workout I’ll kinda enjoy it no matter what it is. 

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26 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

A lot of people from “both sides” these days have a bit of inner, if this doesn’t workout I’ll kinda enjoy it no matter what it is. 

Could you diagram this sentence and then explain what the hell it’s supposed to mean? Also, please expand upon “I’ll kinda enjoy it no matter what it is.”

What is it? What exact part of noncombatant civilians being murdered in cold blood do you "enjoy"?

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16 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Could you diagram this sentence and then explain what the hell it’s supposed to mean? Also, please expand upon “I’ll kinda enjoy it no matter what it is.”

What is it? What exact part of noncombatant civilians being murdered in cold blood do you "enjoy"?

It’s 12 on a Saturday, I’m pretty sure you can figure it out…. So.   Who’s being murdered?  They had days of forwarding to get out of the sites.  “That kinda enjoy it” is self explanatory. Funny how the offenders come out so fast.  

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Just now, Hook1997 said:

It’s 12 on a Saturday…. So.   Who’s being murdered?  They had days of forwarding to get out of the sites.  The kinda enjoy it self explanatory. 

Go to bed. You’re fucking drunk.

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5 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Go to bed. You’re fucking drunk.

The point makes sense, stop getting offended so easy. It’s a different opinion of a person on a message board.  If you don’t feel that way it’s ok.  You might want to go to bed if that didn’t make sense at all to you.  

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1 minute ago, Hook1997 said:

It’s 12 on a Saturday…. So.   Who’s being murdered?  They had days of forwarding to get out of the sites.  The kinda enjoy it self explanatory. 

 

It appears like someone got into JesusSweatDuck's stash. 

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2 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

The point makes sense, stop getting offended so easy. It’s a different opinion of a person on a message board.  If you don’t feel that way it’s ok.  You might want to go to bed if that didn’t make sense at all to you.  

What doesn’t make sense to me is when people, such as yourself, handwave away the murder of starving women and children as if their lives held no value.

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Just now, bolverk said:

What doesn’t make sense to me is when people, such as yourself, handwave away the murder of starving women and children as if their lives held no value.

So they had children at the nuclear sites?  I think you are drunker than me actually and lumping different things together… 

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9 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

So they had children at the nuclear sites?  I think you are drunker than me actually and lumping different things together… 

I suppose you’re not aware that this thread was originally intended for what was going on in Gaza, but then, when Israel started bombing Iran someone had the bright idea of changing the title and allowing the Israel/Iran shit to be posted in here under the title of "Isreal vs Everyone," which is an add-on bonus war to the ongoing ethnic cleansing taking place in Gaza and the West Bank, which is what the last page of posts has been covering almost exclusively.

The Iran shit is done (for now) and we're back on the original topic. Keep up.

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14 minutes ago, bolverk said:

I suppose you’re not aware that this thread was originally intended for what was going on in Gaza, but then, when Israel started bombing Iran someone had the bright idea of changing the title and allowing the Israel/Iran shit to be posted in here under the title of "Isreal vs Everyone," which is an add-on bonus war to the ongoing ethnic cleansing taking place in Gaza and the West Bank, which is what the last page of posts has been covering almost exclusively.

The Iran shit is done (for now) and we're back on the original topic. Keep up.

The post was literally about one aspect not relating it to anything else and that was explained….  The bombing and the results, stop stance.  Go to bed. This is exactly what I was talking about, you proved my point.  The failure of people being able to compartmentalize things without politics. 

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I guess this is the thread for this. Two days ago, many sites reported on the Pentagon releasing tape of MOP “bunker busters” being tested. Yesterday, the reporting was that the US did not drop MOP BBs in Iran.

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The US did not drop the Massive Ordinance Penetrator bunker buster bomb on the Isfahan nuclear site because it was so deep underground that it would have likely not been effective, CNN reports, citing comments made by a top US general to senators Thursday.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/us-didnt-use-mop-bunker-buster-on-isfahan-nuclear-site-because-facility-was-too-deep-report/

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We need a moratorium on drunk arguing on surly. If you're gonna drunk post, go post some tits in NSAA or something. Getting loaded and coming here to bitch at people for not being big enough supporters of the military or whatever is pathetic. 

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10 hours ago, Hook1997 said:

It’s 12 on a Saturday, I’m pretty sure you can figure it out…. So.   Who’s being murdered?  They had days of forwarding to get out of the sites.  “That kinda enjoy it” is self explanatory. Funny how the offenders come out so fast.  

Where are they supposed to go?  They are caged in.  They can’t go into any other country.  They can’t go anywhere.  The ones that went to refugee camps weren’t warned about any bombs coming.  Or what about the ones walking to refugee camps that were attacked by drones.  You know how sick it gets, the drones target then youngest child when these families are walking to find refuge.  They only kill one and aim to kill the youngest one.  I’m sure those toddlers are given fair warning… do you find this sick and twisted?  

Also, giving a warning is not an excuse to flatten an entire country with bombs on civilians that had nothing to do with October 7th.  But that would require you to be educated about what’s happening, which is very clear you are not.   I don’t blame you because the information from the media and politicians here is censored and propaganda.  Now if you are educated about what’s happening and you still support 50,000 civilians that were killed, roughly 2.5% of their entire population in the last 9 months… then I have nothing else to say to you. 

 

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10 minutes ago, victory88 said:

Where are they supposed to go?  They are caged in.  They can’t go into any other country.  They can’t go anywhere.  The ones that went to refugee camps weren’t warned about any bombs coming.  Or what about the ones walking to refugee camps that were attacked by drones.  You know how sick it gets, the drones target then youngest child when these families are walking to find refuge.  They only kill one and aim to kill the youngest one.  I’m sure those toddlers are given fair warning… do you find this sick and twisted?  

Also, giving a warning is not an excuse to flatten an entire country with bombs on civilians that had nothing to do with October 7th.  But that would require you to be educated about what’s happening, which is very clear you are not.   I don’t blame you because the information from the media and politicians here is censored and propaganda.  Now if you are educated about what’s happening and you still support 50,000 civilians that were killed, roughly 2.5% of their entire population in the last 9 months… then I have nothing else to say to you. 

 

Sounds like Hamas needs to stop starting wars. 

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2 hours ago, Willfully Horn said:

I guess this is the thread for this. Two days ago, many sites reported on the Pentagon releasing tape of MOP “bunker busters” being tested. Yesterday, the reporting was that the US did not drop MOP BBs in Iran.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/us-didnt-use-mop-bunker-buster-on-isfahan-nuclear-site-because-facility-was-too-deep-report/

One site didn’t get that ordinance, but two others did. The media mostly focused on Fordow (where they were used) but we also hit Nantz and this site. Submarine launched cruise missiles went to Isfahan. 

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33 minutes ago, Hitch said:

Sounds like Hamas needs to stop starting wars. 

Well Hamas didn’t start the Israel/Palastine conflict that has been on going for decades.

Also I agree.  Hamas should be eliminated.  That would require Netanyahu to stop funneling money to them through Qatar.  It would also require Israel to hunt down Hamas and not drop bombs on innocent civilians, kill humanitarians, shoot toddlers in the head, and starving them with a siege.

What’s happening in Gaza right now has nothing to do with retaliation against Hamas for Oct 7th.  
 

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2 minutes ago, victory88 said:

Well Hamas didn’t start the Israel/Palastine conflict that has been on going for decades.

Also I agree.  Hamas should be eliminated.  That would require Netanyahu to stop funneling money to them through Qatar.  It would also require Israel to hunt down Hamas and not drop bombs on innocent civilians, kill humanitarians, shoot toddlers in the head, and starving them with a siege.

What’s happening in Gaza right now has nothing to do with retaliation against Hamas for Oct 7th.  
 

Of course it does. Many, many civilians die in every war, which is why it’s a very bad idea to start them. They need to stop. 

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Guys, please, I just really want to re-litigate history for the 900th time in this thread so I can feel better about my country's bombs dropping on kid's heads in a concentration camp.

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3 minutes ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

 

Was Israel regularly doing these alleged things before Oct 7th?

Of course not. War is hell. 

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I'm just asking questions, I promise I'm not a Nazi Zionist.

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Of course not. War is hell. 

You have no fucking clue what you're talking about, dipshit. Fuck off.

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1 minute ago, Brian Fantana said:

I'm just asking questions, I promise I'm not a Nazi Zionist.

You have no fucking clue what you're talking about, dipshit. Fuck off.

You seem well adjusted. 

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31 minutes ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

 

Was Israel regularly doing these alleged things before Oct 7th?

Killing women, children, and journalists? They were, unfortunately.

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34 minutes ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

 

Was Israel regularly doing these alleged things before Oct 7th?

IDF are shooting toddlers and young adolescents in the head and chest daily. This is well documented by trauma surgeons volunteering over there. Targeted shooting of children is not part of war. 
 

I’m going to neg every post you make on this thread going forward. If a couple other posters do the same and you do your part you can be gone by this evening 

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57 minutes ago, Hitch said:

Of course it does. Many, many civilians die in every war, which is why it’s a very bad idea to start them. They need to stop. 

Jesus.

Proposition 1: Civilians die in wars, because wars are messy.  TRUE.

Proposition 2: Intentionally TARGETING civilians (as opposed to them being incidental casualties) is a war crime.  ALSO TRUE.

The issue here is not Proposition 1 (sure, it merits its own discussion, the full scope of the war, etc., but that's not what is being raised re the food distribution point slaughters).  The issue is Proposition 2.  

There is much reason to conclude/evidence demonstrating that the IDF is intentionally targeting and killing civilians at food aid distribution points.  If that is true, it is a war crime.  We should not support the commission of war crimes, we should demand accountability for such war crimes, particularly because they are using our weapons etc. to do so.

Jesus fucking christ, the dismissal - FFS, the GLEE - reflected in posts that are okay with the intentional murder of civilians is fucking sick.  If you support the INTENTIONAL targeting of civilians in Gaza because Hamas is bad and started shit it shouldn't have, you are a genuinely evil piece of shit.

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Just now, Brisketexan said:

Jesus.

Proposition 1: Civilians die in wars, because wars are messy.  TRUE.

Proposition 2: Intentionally TARGETING civilians (as opposed to them being incidental casualties) is a war crime.  ALSO TRUE.

The issue here is not Proposition 1 (sure, it merits its own discussion, the full scope of the war, etc., but that's not what is being raised re the food distribution point slaughters).  The issue is Proposition 2.  

There is much reason to conclude/evidence demonstrating that the IDF is intentionally targeting and killing civilians at food aid distribution points.  If that is true, it is a war crime.  We should not support the commission of war crimes, we should demand accountability for such war crimes, particularly because they are using our weapons etc. to do so.

Jesus fucking christ, the dismissal - FFS, the GLEE - reflected in posts that are okay with the intentional murder of civilians is fucking sick.  If you support the INTENTIONAL targeting of civilians in Gaza because Hamas is bad and started shit it shouldn't have, you are a genuinely evil piece of shit.

I’m not ok with it, that’s not the point here. There’s a reason Hamas hides children in weapon stockpiles. Civilian deaths are a masturbatory release for them. There’s certainly evil involved here, you’re just looking in the wrong direction. The group that hates Palestinians the most is their own leadership. 

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47 minutes ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

 

Was Israel regularly doing these alleged things before Oct 7th?

“Alleged” things?  I just posted multiple videos showing IDF shooting first responders from ambulances like fish in a barrel.  Interviews with doctors talking about the blatant targeting of predominately women and children.  Not people shot in cross fire.  4-5 year old kids with sniper bullets both in the head and heart.  IDF soldiers doing interviews stating they are being told to shoot at civilians and to occupy these people’s homes.  A video of the former Israeli prime minister condemning these actions.   These are not alleged things.  The UN just stated for Palestinian’s to stop going to food aid sites because they have become slaughterhouses.  Their words… not mine.  And yes, Israel has been suppressing Palestinians for decades, whether it’s settlers pushing people out of their homes, building a wall around them and caging them, pouring cement in their water system, cutting off all internet access, cutting off food from getting into Gaza for years, taking away their rights, arresting them and putting them in military prison for crossing a line on a street.  Yes this has all been happening before October 7th. This is a conflict that goes both ways much longer than October 7th.  Unfortunately you don’t get to hear or see the other side because it is censored.  Why is it censored, because AIPAC spends millions and millions of dollars on the politicians we elect to keep American tax payer dollars flowing to Israeli citizens.  Our money to fund bombs for a conflict that has nothing to do with us.  

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26 minutes ago, Hitch said:

I’m not ok with it, that’s not the point here. There’s a reason Hamas hides children in weapon stockpiles. Civilian deaths are a masturbatory release for them. There’s certainly evil involved here, you’re just looking in the wrong direction. The group that hates Palestinians the most is their own leadership. 

Please show proof of this.  I’m sure all those buildings and homes of civilians were weapon stockpiles for Hamas here.

Also, Israel has one of their military bases under a hospital.  How do you feel about that?  By your logic, it would be totally fine and appropriate for Iran to bomb this hospital killing civilian Israeli’s when they retaliated to the Israel strikes?  Because this actually happened.   Israel would never use their own civilians as a shield now would they?  
 

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Guys, just don't look at:

  • The thousands and thousands of Palestinians that were killed and/or had their homes stolen from them prior to Oct. 7
  • All the times Israel have used Palestinians as human shields (or their own hostages)
  • The time they rioted because a group of soldiers were going to be prosecuted for raping a Palestinian prisoner to death (one of those guys is a celebrity in Israel now)
  • All the times IDF snipers have deliberately targeted children and posted videos laughing about it on social media
  • The fact that they are using a shady aid organization to lure Gazans in to killboxes with the promise of food and medicine
  • The fact that they are deliberately starving a captive population to death
  • The numerous times high ranking members of Netanyahu's government have openly talked about exterminating them all
  • The settler terrorism occurring in the West Bank that is fully supported, armed, and protected by the IDF
  • The hundreds and hundreds of aid workers and journalists that have been deliberately killed by the IDF

All the evil is on THAT side.

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18 minutes ago, victory88 said:

Please show proof of this.  I’m sure all those buildings and homes of civilians were weapon stockpiles for Hamas here.

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All of them? No. Seems like absolute overkill to me if I’m being honest. I hate war. 

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3 minutes ago, Hitch said:

All of them? No. Seems like absolute overkill to me if I’m being honest. I hate war. 

I can appreciate you saying that honestly.  While I can see why you would support and justify retaliation after October 7th, I’m curious to know if you feel that the current target of civilians, siege, starvation, and missiles into Gaza are justified?  Keep in mind, October 7th was over 20 months ago.  Do you think what is happening in Gaza right now is an appropriate response to the terrorist attack by Hamas?  What number of dead civilians, mainly women and children, would encourage you to hold Israel accountable?  I believe there were 900-1500 hostages during October 7th event.  So far 50,000 dead Palestinian civilians since October 7th.  How many more before you’d feel that Israel has gone too far? 60,000? 70,000? 100,000?  What number would be too far you to say, I think this is wrong?  And if you feel that it’s wrong, would you request your state senator and representative to stop approving bills that send US tax payer dollars that are directly helping fund this?  
 

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3 minutes ago, victory88 said:

I can appreciate you saying that honestly.  While I can see why you would support and justify retaliation after October 7th, I’m curious to know if you feel that the current target of civilians, siege, starvation, and missiles into Gaza are justified?  Keep in mind, October 7th was over 20 months ago.  Do you think what is happening in Gaza right now is an appropriate response to the terrorist attack by Hamas?  What number of dead civilians, mainly women and children, would encourage you to hold Israel accountable?  I believe there were 900-1500 hostages during October 7th event.  So far 50,000 dead Palestinian civilians since October 7th.  How many more before you’d feel that Israel has gone too far? 60,000? 70,000? 100,000?  What number would be too far you to say, I think this is wrong?  And if you feel that it’s wrong, would you request your state senator and representative to stop approving bills that send US tax payer dollars that are directly helping fund this?  
 

I think it’s all wrong and hate it. The only difference is that I lay it at the feet of Hamas. They could decide to end it today. The unfortunate truth is that they get off to their civilians deaths, like all death cults. 
 

Funding is a must. Without it my friends and family in Israel are as good as dead. 

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12 minutes ago, Hitch said:

I think it’s all wrong and hate it. The only difference is that I lay it at the feet of Hamas. They could decide to end it today. The unfortunate truth is that they get off to their civilians deaths, like all death cults.

Man, some of y'all fall for the stupidest fucking propaganda. 

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15 minutes ago, Hitch said:

I think it’s all wrong and hate it. The only difference is that I lay it at the feet of Hamas. They could decide to end it today. The unfortunate truth is that they get off to their civilians deaths, like all death cults. 
 

Funding is a must. Without it my friends and family in Israel are as good as dead. 

 

1 minute ago, BrickHorn said:

Man, some of y'all fall for the stupidest fucking propaganda. 

He's either dumb as a bag of bricks or he's a fed and this is PRONG HORN 2.0. 

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10 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Man, some of y'all fall for the stupidest fucking propaganda. 

Israel without the Iron Dome would be nearly uninhabitable. We can’t abandon them, their survival depends on it. 

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1 minute ago, Brian Fantana said:

Who has advocated the removal of the iron dome?

Again, can't tell if dumb posting or fed posting.

We paid for the Iron Dome and most of their innovative defense technology. Tactics evolve and our funding helps them stay ahead of the terrorists in future attacks. Stopping funding is not an option. 
 

Also, what is fed posting? 

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1 hour ago, Hitch said:

I’m not ok with it, that’s not the point here.

straw man, moving the goalposts, tu quoque etc.  You are a fucking liar, and you deal only in logical fallacies.  The EXACT conversation is about the IDF targeting civilians at food distribution centers.  Not one fucking word about "weapon stockpiles" or any of that bullshit.

You tirelessly look for justification for war crimes, when a human being of ANY moral character sees and condemns the war crime.

And no, I'd say the group that hates Palestinians the most is the group that has openly stated that they intend to purge all of Gaza of them, completely and totally (the openly stated goal of the Israeli regime and its internal partners).  It's a stiff competition, as the gulf states and Palestinian leadership aren't helpful and are actually harmful, but that has nothing to do with the fact that the IDF is purposefully murdering civilians at food distribution points.

THOSE civilian deaths aren't a "masturbatory release" -- they are instead the result of deliberate policy of extermination and ethnic cleansing.  That - as we decided in the wake of such actions with respect to jews 80+ years ago, is bad.

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They can fund the Iron Dome themselves. Israel is not a poor country. What they can't fund is the Iron Dome, their ethnic cleaning campaigns in Gaza and the West Bank, and the endless war fronts outside Israel they would like to maintain.

You're really bad at fed posting if that's what you're doing.

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Just now, Brisketexan said:

straw man, moving the goalposts, tu quoque etc.  You are a fucking liar, and you deal only in logical fallacies.  The EXACT conversation is about the IDF targeting civilians at food distribution centers.  Not one fucking word about "weapon stockpiles" or any of that bullshit.

You tirelessly look for justification for war crimes, when a human being of ANY moral character sees and condemns the war crime.

And no, I'd say the group that hates Palestinians the most is the group that has openly stated that they intend to purge all of Gaza of them, completely and totally (the openly stated goal of the Israeli regime and its internal partners).  It's a stiff competition, as the gulf states and Palestinian leadership aren't helpful and are actually harmful, but that has nothing to do with the fact that the IDF is purposefully murdering civilians at food distribution points.

THOSE civilian deaths aren't a "masturbatory release" -- they are instead the result of deliberate policy of extermination and ethnic cleansing.  That - as we decided in the wake of such actions with respect to jews 80+ years ago, is bad.

I hate war crimes and really want them to stop. There’s a really easy way to make sure they stop happening. It’s not overly complicated. 

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3 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

They can fund the Iron Dome themselves. Israel is not a poor country. What they can't fund is the Iron Dome, their ethnic cleaning campaigns in Gaza and the West Bank, and the endless war fronts outside Israel they would like to maintain.

You're really bad at fed posting if that's what you're doing.

No, they can’t fund the iron dome’s interceptors and maintenance. That’s on us and is very, very, important. 

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