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2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

You really think that was a serious option once he was the nominee? Was it ever mentioned again by the campaign or the candidate?

I find it hard to believe that anyone running for president would seriously consider serving only one term.

It should have been a serious option. An octogenarian should have a had plan for his succession knowing full well he’ll be even older than fuck the next election. Our country and democracy is at stake, fuck yes I think that a one term presidency should have been at least planned for

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1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

It shocks me that anyone believed Joe Biden would not run for re-election.

I didn’t believe he wouldn’t, I never said that. I’m saying it was a mistake for him to be running again. It’s going to cost us dearly

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Just now, SubliminalHorn said:

I didn’t believe he wouldn’t, I never said that. I’m saying it was a mistake for him to be running again. It’s going to cost us dearly

It would be worse if someone else got the nomination.

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5 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

It would be worse if someone else got the nomination.

Well of course, you don’t know that 

5 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

who should have replaced him then?  there's nobody better right now than the fucking incumbent!

I don’t know. Whitmer? There’s nobody better right now than Biden? Yeah as he waltzes to a loss to trump. Pretty sad when the best we got…is struggling

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9 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

So again, he fucked us over by not finding a running mate or someone he could groom to run this year? He and his campaign knew that his age was an issue even in 2020. And we’re surprised it’s a major issue this year? Posters here lament the fact that RBG didn’t retire so that Obama could replace her, but here’s Biden about to do the same fucking thing. 

Pinning Kamala's unpopularity on Biden is a new one.

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The election is 5 months away. Maybe step back from obsessing over polls and the news for a bit?

Just now, Chuckie Finster said:

Pinning Kamala's unpopularity on Biden is a new one.

ACTUALLY Bloomberg recently reported her standing has rebounded substantially with voters, both personally and in her ability to do the job if she has to become POTUS. 

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2 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

Well of course, you don’t know that 

I don’t know. Whitmer? There’s nobody better right now than Biden? Yeah as he waltzes to a loss to trump. Pretty sad when the best we got…is struggling

What you need to grasp is that American politics is about two personalities: the psychopathic cult leader that is Trump, who is boosted and given free press by every media outlet, and the generic "demon-rat" who runs against him.  IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO TRUMP'S OPPONENT IS.  The propaganda machine will characterize them as a communistsocialistSorosfascist America-hater who is woke and trans and hates eagles and freedom.  Whoever that person is.  It doesn't matter.  The uninformed voters don't dislike Biden.  The dislike the character with the name "Biden" who is constantly hammered in the rightwing (and even supposedly left-wing) press and propaganda-sphere.

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6 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

Well of course, you don’t know that 

I don’t know. Whitmer? There’s nobody better right now than Biden? Yeah as he waltzes to a loss to trump. Pretty sad when the best we got…is struggling

Well of course, you don't know that.

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1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

Well of course, you don't know that.

May 2016 - Trump is going to lose to Hillary so bad

May 2024 - Biden is going to lose to Trump so bad

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10 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

What you need to grasp is that American politics is about two personalities: the psychopathic cult leader that is Trump, who is boosted and given free press by every media outlet, and the generic "demon-rat" who runs against him.  IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO TRUMP'S OPPONENT IS.  The propaganda machine will characterize them as a communistsocialistSorosfascist America-hater who is woke and trans and hates eagles and freedom.  Whoever that person is.  It doesn't matter.  The uninformed voters don't dislike Biden.  The dislike the character with the name "Biden" who is constantly hammered in the rightwing (and even supposedly left-wing) press and propaganda-sphere.

in an election that will be decided by a point, it doesn't matter who the candidate is, says very serious poster (ad nauseum).

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2 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

in an election that will be decided by a point, it doesn't matter who the candidate is, says very serious poster (ad nauseum).

I really don't think it does.  Because Joseph R. Biden is getting nearly zero attention.  "Biden!" is getting all the attention -- "Biden!" being a mostly fictional character as covered by the media and as turned into a caricature by the propagandists who dominate half the media and most of social media.  If it wasn't "Biden!" it would be "Whitmer!" or "Newsom!" or whoever -- who would not be the actual person, but rather would be the straw man manufactured and then destroyed by the media and propagandists.

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32 minutes ago, Js1 said:

The election is 5 months away. Maybe step back from obsessing over polls and the news for a bit?

ACTUALLY Bloomberg recently reported her standing has rebounded substantially with voters, both personally and in her ability to do the job if she has to become POTUS. 

That's because the campaign has been deploying her only when it's safe...

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20 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I really don't think it does.  Because Joseph R. Biden is getting nearly zero attention.  "Biden!" is getting all the attention -- "Biden!" being a mostly fictional character as covered by the media and as turned into a caricature by the propagandists who dominate half the media and most of social media.  If it wasn't "Biden!" it would be "Whitmer!" or "Newsom!" or whoever -- who would not be the actual person, but rather would be the straw man manufactured and then destroyed by the media and propagandists.

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Posted
1 hour ago, SubliminalHorn said:

Well of course, you don’t know that 

I don’t know. Whitmer? There’s nobody better right now than Biden? Yeah as he waltzes to a loss to trump. Pretty sad when the best we got…is struggling

Show me where trump gets to 270

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2 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Show me where trump gets to 270

you have a lot of degrees and can't figure out how a guy that lost by decimal percents in multiple states can win?

 

Georgia 2,473,633 49.47% 16 2,461,854 49.24% 62,229 1.24% 1,013 0.02% 1,231 0.02% 11,779 0.24% 5.37% 4,999,960
Arizona 1,672,143 49.36% 11 1,661,686 49.06% 51,465 1.52% 1,557 0.05% 475 0.01% 10,457 0.31% 3.81% 3,387,326
Wis. 1,630,866 49.45% 10 1,610,184 48.82% 38,491 1.17% 1,089 0.03% 17,411 0.53% 20,682 0.63% 1.40% 3,298,041
Pa. 3,458,229 49.85% 20 3,377,674 48.69% 79,380 1.14% 1,282 0.02% 20,411 0.29% 80,555 1.16% 1.88% 6,936,976
Nev.[q] 703,486 50.06% 6 669,890 47.67% 14,783 1.05% 17,217 1.23% 33,596 2.39% −0.03% 1,405,376
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Just now, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

you have a lot of degrees and can't figure out how a guy that lost by decimal percents in multiple states can win?

 

Georgia 2,473,633 49.47% 16 2,461,854 49.24% 62,229 1.24% 1,013 0.02% 1,231 0.02% 11,779 0.24% 5.37% 4,999,960
Arizona 1,672,143 49.36% 11 1,661,686 49.06% 51,465 1.52% 1,557 0.05% 475 0.01% 10,457 0.31% 3.81% 3,387,326
Wis. 1,630,866 49.45% 10 1,610,184 48.82% 38,491 1.17% 1,089 0.03% 17,411 0.53% 20,682 0.63% 1.40% 3,298,041
Pa. 3,458,229 49.85% 20 3,377,674 48.69% 79,380 1.14% 1,282 0.02% 20,411 0.29% 80,555 1.16% 1.88% 6,936,976
Nev.[q] 703,486 50.06% 6 669,890 47.67% 14,783 1.05% 17,217 1.23% 33,596 2.39% −0.03% 1,405,376

And Pennsylvania plus any two of those (except NV, too few -- but plug Michigan in there) wins it for him.  

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4 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

you have a lot of degrees and can't figure out how a guy that lost by decimal percents in multiple states can win?

 

Georgia 2,473,633 49.47% 16 2,461,854 49.24% 62,229 1.24% 1,013 0.02% 1,231 0.02% 11,779 0.24% 5.37% 4,999,960
Arizona 1,672,143 49.36% 11 1,661,686 49.06% 51,465 1.52% 1,557 0.05% 475 0.01% 10,457 0.31% 3.81% 3,387,326
Wis. 1,630,866 49.45% 10 1,610,184 48.82% 38,491 1.17% 1,089 0.03% 17,411 0.53% 20,682 0.63% 1.40% 3,298,041
Pa. 3,458,229 49.85% 20 3,377,674 48.69% 79,380 1.14% 1,282 0.02% 20,411 0.29% 80,555 1.16% 1.88% 6,936,976
Nev.[q] 703,486 50.06% 6 669,890 47.67% 14,783 1.05% 17,217 1.23% 33,596 2.39% −0.03% 1,405,376

Fuck off with that shit. Everyone knows it’s possible. 
 

 

I want you to list the states he lost last time that you honestly believe he will win this time and why you think he will

 

 

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

And Pennsylvania plus any two of those (except NV, too few -- but plug Michigan in there) wins it for him.  

He isn’t winning Pennsylvania 

 

 

JFC he is not winning fucking Arizona you bunch of pussies. You really think they are going to have 2 democratic senators and fucking trump for president?

or you think there are going to be a bunch of Gallego / trump ballots? 

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Posted
Just now, Sawbonz said:

Fuck off with that shit. Everyone knows it’s possible. 
 

 

I want you to list the states he lost last time that you honestly believe he will win this time and why you think he will

 

 

He isn’t winning Pennsylvania 

Unless he is.  The fucking lock-down confidence that Trump will lose just blows me away.  All previous modeling, sane thinking, political wisdom, etc., is completely obsolete.  We are through the looking glass.

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1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

Unless he is.  The fucking lock-down confidence that Trump will lose just blows me away.  All previous modeling, sane thinking, political wisdom, etc., is completely obsolete.  We are through the looking glass.

I predicted Trump would win the primary and beat Hillary. This ain’t that

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3 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Fuck off with that shit. Everyone knows it’s possible. 
 

 

I want you to list the states he lost last time that you honestly believe he will win this time and why you think he will

with margins that small, rain in the wrong location can change states.  beyond that, line in the sand posturing is dumb.

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Most of the polls that have Trump up in a three-way race are showing RFK getting anywhere from 5 to 10% of the general election votes. He might get 3. And no one has made a plausible argument for his pulling disproportionately from Biden

 

It’s certainly possible he can win. I just don’t see it

3 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

with margins that small, rain in the wrong location can change states.  beyond that, line in the sand posturing is dumb.

So your argument is that inclement weather in certain states is going to give Trump the presidency?

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3 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

I predicted Trump would win the primary and beat Hillary. This ain’t that

So did I.  And I listened to most folks who had champagne on ice to watch the 2020 returns and toast Biden's victory that night....as I told them they were way overconfident.  We didn't get a resounding defeat of Trump.  We got a squeaker.  I think it's going to be even tighter this time, in the same key states.

The fate of the country is going to come down to shit like whether the Republicans who run Georgia actually let crucial polling places be open and shit like that.

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Just now, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

yeah, that's definitely what i'm saying.

So what issues/demographic change/ or other tangible issues can you point to that indicate any of those close states Will flip to Trump?

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Just now, Brisketexan said:

So did I.  And I listened to most folks who had champagne on ice to watch the 2020 returns and toast Biden's victory that night....as I told them they were way overconfident.  We didn't get a resounding defeat of Trump.  We got a squeaker.  I think it's going to be even tighter this time, in the same key states.

The fate of the country is going to come down to shit like whether the Republicans who run Georgia actually let crucial polling places be open and shit like that.


It’s going to be tight. I’ll even concede it may be tighter than last go round. Trump needs so many things to break just right it’s not a rational position to predict his winning. Though of course he may. If he doesn’t though, this time there will be troops with automatic weapons and body armor in the capital when it’s time to certify Biden’s win. It isn’t going to the fucking states and it isn’t going to the Supreme Court. 

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5 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

So what issues/demographic change/ or other tangible issues can you point to that indicate any of those close states Will flip to Trump?

If Biden's voters' enthusiasm craters, as it looks to be over the genocide in Gaza, then any of those states could be in play.

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1 minute ago, softlynow said:

Even if you think Biden wins, you should be amplifying the Trump could/will win message.

The easiest way for Trump to win is a lack of a sense of urgency. Clinton made a bunch of mistakes in 2016. But Trump looking unelectable, IMHO, had to affect turnout and allow for some folks to feel OK about "sending a message" and voting for Stein or even Johnson. Over 4.5% of voters chose someone other than Trump or Clinton. In 2020 that dropped to about 1.8%. 2012 saw about the same percentage vote for neither Obama nor Romney.

Trump could win should be all you say to anyone you know who understands the stakes of this election or otherwise will not for for Trump. They need to be scared to stay home or vote for RFK or some other joke candidate.

 

I get that. There’s also the risk of demoralizing voters by making it look like a Trump victory is a foregone conclusion.

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1 minute ago, Sawbonz said:


It’s going to be tight. I’ll even concede it may be tighter than last go round. Trump needs so many things to break just right it’s not a rational position to predict his winning. Though of course he may. If he doesn’t though, this time there will be troops with automatic weapons and body armor in the capital when it’s time to certify Biden’s win. It isn’t going to the fucking states and it isn’t going to the Supreme Court. 

It doesn't have to go to the states.  Just a Republican governor or legislature or state Supreme Court putting their thumb on the scale in the right place.  And by the way, they won't just be motivated by "we want Trump to win."  They will be motivated by the Trump mob, egged on by Trump, who will come to kill them if they DON'T do Trump's bidding.  You may see Jan 6th, except bloodier, at the Georgia state house, for example.

And yeah, if it goes before SCOTUS in any way at all, game over.  That body is irreparably broken.  It will not recover in my lifetime.

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2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

It doesn't have to go to the states.  Just a Republican governor or legislature or state Supreme Court putting their thumb on the scale in the right place.  And by the way, they won't just be motivated by "we want Trump to win."  They will be motivated by the Trump mob, egged on by Trump, who will come to kill them if they DON'T do Trump's bidding.  You may see Jan 6th, except bloodier, at the Georgia state house, for example.

And yeah, if it goes before SCOTUS in any way at all, game over.  That body is irreparably broken.  It will not recover in my lifetime.

If that happens Biden becomes dictator in chief and it will be what we deserve

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1 minute ago, Sawbonz said:

I get that. There’s also the risk of demoralizing voters by making it look like a Trump victory is a foregone conclusion.

Tricky, for sure. You'll just have to tailor the message to the listener. We know the media won't, beyond pimping themselves out for clicks.

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1 minute ago, Sawbonz said:

If that happens Biden becomes dictator in chief and it will be what we deserve

Bolded for emphasis.  I am very, very scared that this country is going to get EXACTLY what it deserves, and get it good and hard.  We seem dead-set on choosing mass self-immolation:

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8 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

It doesn't have to go to the states.  Just a Republican governor or legislature or state Supreme Court putting their thumb on the scale in the right place.  And by the way, they won't just be motivated by "we want Trump to win."  They will be motivated by the Trump mob, egged on by Trump, who will come to kill them if they DON'T do Trump's bidding.  You may see Jan 6th, except bloodier, at the Georgia state house, for example.

And yeah, if it goes before SCOTUS in any way at all, game over.  That body is irreparably broken.  It will not recover in my lifetime.

The Republican governors in states Joe won are Joe Lombardo in Nevada, Kemp in Georgia, Chris Sununu in NH and Phil Scott in Vermont. Flip those from last time, and it's 274 Biden, 264 Trump, after reapportionment.

 

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1 minute ago, softlynow said:

The Republican governors in states Joe won are Joe Lombardo in Nevada, Kemp in Georgia, Chris Sununu in NH and Phil Scott in Vermont. Flip those from last time, and it's 274 Biden, 264 Trump, after reapportionment.

 

Yes.  Now factor in Repub legislatures and State Supreme Courts.  And again, if some of the states already flip due to votes....then we only need shenanigans in a state or two to toss the whole fucking thing into a mess.  Remember Bush v. Gore?  That was just about one state.

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2 hours ago, SubliminalHorn said:

It should have been a serious option. An octogenarian should have a had plan for his succession knowing full well he’ll be even older than fuck the next election. Our country and democracy is at stake, fuck yes I think that a one term presidency should have been at least planned for

Dude.  Not sure why you're freaking out today.  As others have said, if it weren't Biden, the Rs would be freaking out against someone else for different reasons.  The dotard is fucking like 3 years younger than Biden.  Quit blaming the Dems.  It's the fucking Rs and the dumbasses in this country.  Brisket has a shit sandwich analogy somewhere about this.

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40 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

you think there are going to be a bunch of Gallego / trump ballots? 

This one makes me the most crazy.  Come the fuck on.  That's like a Kari Lake/Obama ballot.

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2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Yes.  Now factor in Repub legislatures and State Supreme Courts.  And again, if some of the states already flip due to votes....then we only need shenanigans in a state or two to toss the whole fucking thing into a mess.  Remember Bush v. Gore?  That was just about one state.

I do. The 24-hour news networks' ratings will be incredible. Just another reason to think it might happen. With AI, today's would be Hearst (Lachlan Murdoch's coming out party?) wouldn't even need a Frederick Remington.

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10 minutes ago, softlynow said:

The Republican governors in states Joe won are Joe Lombardo in Nevada, Kemp in Georgia, Chris Sununu in NH and Phil Scott in Vermont. Flip those from last time, and it's 274 Biden, 264 Trump, after reapportionment.

 

And? The governors do not have unilateral power to...what, just cancel the election in their state or declare the results null and void and that Trump won the state?

Some of y'all are in weird corners on the internet. 

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Frankly, I’ve moved on to the potential bloodbath Dem primary in ‘28.  Or the VP nomination when Biden dies in office and the House and Senate get to vote on Kamala’s nominee.
 

I can see her nominating someone loudly divisive like Hillary, because fuck everyone, that’s why.  

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13 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Brisket has a shit sandwich analogy somewhere about this.

Its not an analogy anymore.  We've managed to manifest a giant, actual shit sandwich.  Eat up, fellas.

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1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

Its not an analogy anymore.  We've managed to manifest a giant, actual shit sandwich.  Eat up, fellas.

No, it was like, Biden is a shit sandwich, but dotard is a broken glass and strychnine sandwich and half of the country is choosing broken glass and strychnine.  Or something.

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Overall, I'm just pissed at the people (like my wife) who are blaming Democrats for the rest of the country's piss poor decisions.  It's misplaced blame and it makes no damn sense.

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and it's giving R voters WAY more credit than they have any right to deserve
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1 minute ago, Js1 said:

And? The governors do not have unilateral power to...what, just cancel the election in their state or declare the results null and void and that Trump won the state?

Some of y'all are in weird corners on the internet. 

"Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress;"

Before we entered the Darkest Timeline on November 2, 2016, 11:47 CDT (Cubs win WS), we had an accepted interpretation of the language above. But, as we now know, once a political party give fuckall about the accpted interpretation and how we put that into practice, there is more than enough wiggle room in that constitutional clause to convince anyone with a vested interest to just about anything they can conceivably do bring about the desired result.

Those governors and legislator are more than willing to Mitch McConnell this election. To deny that is to deny that we are in crisis.

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I can’t believe I’m typing this out, but if you want to craft doomsday scenarios where the Dotard wins, then the most likely scenario is as follows:

1. Georgia and Wisconsin are truly toss-up states. Trump only needs approximately 30,000 additional votes to flip these 2 states. This gets him to 262 electoral votes assuming Nebraska goes to winner take all.

2. Enough Arab Americans stay home to protest what’s taking place in Gaza and he wins Michigan’s 15 EVs. This is the stretch goal because he needs to overcome Biden’s 150,000 margin from 2020.

Arizona and Pennsylvania look like D victories to me. Both have recently elected D governors. You can make a similar argument for Wisconsin as well.

Our system sucks for allowing this kind of fuckery because he will lose the popular vote by millions again.

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12 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

No, it was like, Biden is a shit sandwich, but dotard is a broken glass and strychnine sandwich and half of the country is choosing broken glass and strychnine.  Or something.

Ahh, you're going with the David Sedaris analysis:

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As a country, we seem hell-bent on following a path that serves up a platter of shit with broken glass in it.  It's the dumbest fucking thing I have ever seen, but here we are.

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