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8 minutes ago, MuellerHorn said:

Not sure why they haven't already written a program to just do this all for them. That shouldn't be difficult.

Edit: I see above about the past fuck ups even with algorithms. Who do they have doing this shit for them? Some college social media intern? As dysfunctional as Yormark seems, he's probably trying to do it himself with Copilot or some shit.

Right, there's not some stats and programming nerd who can game out a program to do this for them at any of the schools in their conference? 

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1 hour ago, DanTheHorn said:

I have been of the opinion that if you are not one of the best 8 teams in the country then you do not deserve to be in a playoff. The thing I liked about the 12 team playoff is that 4 teams were filler and anyone outside of the last four had as much argument as last 4 to make it into the playoff so who cares. So the BIG XII, ACC and GROUP of 5 take a spot even though they are outside the top 12 fine let them have their fun. You think you were the 9th best team in the country but did not get in since the committee thought someone else was the 9th best team do better next time. Bottom line I agree with Saban the top 5 or 6 teams with a realistic chance to win it all are always going to make it into the play off.

Now that Texas is being talked about as having a chance to end up outside the top 8 and possibly out of the top 12 if god forbid they lose to aggy will I stick to my guns and not be pissed off. Of course not since standing on principal only works until one is affected.

I agree with you in concept, but the problem with this system is who is 8th or 9th is completely subjective and subject to bias. It's not gonna get any better anytime soon. 

9 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

The funny thing is that Notre Dame has complete control over who they play and they have the 2nd worst SOS.  Indiana's SOS should actually be disqualifying, #106 .  Army should be right behind them at #7

The fact that the financial juggernaut of the Big 10 can include a team with 106 SOS is astounding to me, especially with Indiana making $80M, same as Michigan, and double Colorado, BYU, etc., even FSU and Miami. They could play complete nobodies OOC and the conference making that much money alone should get them a better SOS. Does that include Ohio State or will the SOS go way up after that game?

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Just now, 'stache said:

The fact that the financial juggernaut of the Big 10 can include a team with 106 SOS is astounding to me, especially with Indiana making $80M, same as Michigan. They could play complete nobodies OOC and the conference making that much money alone should get them a better SOS. Does that include Ohio State or will the SOS go way up after that game?

I assume this is schedule played so far? Their SOS should improve by playing Ohio State, but then they play shitty Purdue to end the year. 

Texas' should also improve, playing aggy next weekend. 

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6 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I agree with you in concept, but the problem with this system is who is 8th or 9th is completely subjective and subject to bias. It's not gonna get any better anytime soon. 

The fact that the financial juggernaut of the Big 10 can include a team with 106 SOS is astounding to me, especially with Indiana making $80M, same as Michigan. They could play complete nobodies OOC and the conference making that much money alone should get them a better SOS. Does that include Ohio State or will the SOS go way up after that game?

doesn't include tOSU so it will go up after that.  Purdue is 1-9 and unbelievably their SOS per Sagarin is #7.  I guess it goes back down after Purdue but not sure how that record and their SOS plays into Indiana's SOS.

edit Purdue's OOC included Oregon state, Neb, and ND.  fucking salty.

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Posted
4 hours ago, Js1 said:

Remember how long it took the Big 12 last year to clarify Texas had clinched spot? The B1G just took 2 days to work through all the tiebreakers to announce Oregon had clinched a spot. 

If it is taking conference officials 2-3 days to figure out their own rules, the rules are stupid AF. 

We could have used a little more complexity in 2008...

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Still wondering how Tennessee is #17 SOS but we're #38. Tenn's OOC are 13-29 and include 0-11 Kent State, ours are 22-18. Their "big game" was NC State (5-5) while ours was Meatchicken (also 5-5). The SEC games are identical except they have Bama and we have aggy. Just doesn't seem like anough of a difference in opponents to account for the rating discrepancy. 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

Still wondering how Tennessee is #17 SOS but we're #38. Tenn's OOC are 13-29 and include 0-11 Kent State, ours are 22-18. Their "big game" was NC State (5-5) while ours was Meatchicken (also 5-5).

Sagarin also has us at 38 but the Vols at 35.  At that point it's just in the noise.

Posted
3 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

Still wondering how Tennessee is #17 SOS but we're #38. Tenn's OOC are 13-29 and include 0-11 Kent State, ours are 22-18. Their "big game" was NC State (5-5) while ours was Meatchicken (also 5-5). The SEC games are identical except they have Bama and we have aggy. Just doesn't seem like anough of a difference in opponents to account for the rating discrepancy. 

 

 

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If it also doesn’t include games yet to be played, they played Bama, we haven’t played aggy yet. 

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Posted
32 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Remaining SOS, according to ESPN:

1. Kentucky

2. Auburn

3. Texas A&M

4. Indiana

5. Texas

 

Hmmm . . . what do #1 and #3 have in common?  Can't quite put my finger on it.

And Tennessee’s remaining sos is 70th. 

The debate after all the games are played will be between 2 loss Tennessee and 1 loss Indiana. 

Tennessee fans and Finebaum will wail and gnash their teeth about the lack of quality wins for Texas, psu, & iu. But they’ll be sitting there with a suddenly unimpressive sos, and an extra loss to Arkansas. And they’ll put up their schedule on the screen and people will talk briefly about the big win over bama and hope that no one will notice that they only have one other good team on the schedule and they lost 31-17. 

Posted
32 minutes ago, Js1 said:

If it also doesn’t include games yet to be played, they played Bama, we haven’t played aggy yet. 

Our SOS probably goes to about 20 after aggy game.

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Posted
On 11/20/2024 at 10:15 AM, David Dennison said:

The CFP needs to do away with at-large bids. Figure out a system of automatic qualifiers and be done with it.

Agree. I'm fine with a few at-larges but something like the 8 P4 CCG participants making it with 4 at-large (none of the G5 auto-bid nonsense) would be better imo.

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6 hours ago, chainsaw said:

They'd have two losses if Manny Diaz hadn't tried to be a galaxy brain

And we'd have zero losses if we kept Preston Stone on the bench all season. 

I'm not sure what Texas has to do with SMU or what those idiots are complaining about. I have a problem with where Miami and BSU are ranked vs. SMU but also none of it matters because ACC is a 1 bid league. 

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I made a joke about it upthread but I wouldn't mind just doing the BCS Computer rankings of old for the top 12.  keep the damn humans/eye test out of it.

This week SMU is in and BYU and Boise are out.

there wasn't really anything wrong with BCS Computers necessarily it was the fact that you were only picking 2 teams.

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2 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

I made a joke about it upthread but I wouldn't mind just doing the BCS Computer rankings of old for the top 12.  keep the damn humans/eye test out of it.

This week SMU is in and BYU and Boise are out.

there wasn't really anything wrong with BCS Computers necessarily it was the fact that you were only picking 2 teams.

Curious - what is Boise? They aren't in the top 20 in any of the 3 leading predictive metrics.

Posted
2 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

there wasn't really anything wrong with BCS Computers necessarily it was the fact that you were only picking 2 teams.

I heard a talking head lamenting the fact that UGA got left out last year, claiming it as proof positive that the CFP committee couldn't be trusted to include conference championship game losers in the playoffs.

Uh, last year the playoff was 4 teams, not 12.  Kind of a big difference.

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Unfortunately, these schedules are made so far in advance you don’t anticipate Michigan sucking ass when you signed the contract 8 years ago (or Florida State in ND’s case- although they do get a break with aggy and real army actually being good).

Posted
1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

I heard a talking head lamenting the fact that UGA got left out last year, claiming it as proof positive that the CFP committee couldn't be trusted to include conference championship game losers in the playoffs.

Uh, last year the playoff was 4 teams, not 12.  Kind of a big difference.

Booger?  He seems like someone who would completely forget it was 4 teams last year.  maybe the dumb galoot from BYU Matich...?

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Just now, Billy Pilgrim said:

Unfortunately, these schedules are made so far in advance you don’t anticipate Michigan sucking ass when you signed the contract 8 years ago (or Florida State in ND’s case- although they do get a break with aggy and real army actually being good).

No, but when you consistently schedule programs that often reside in the top 10 you're fairly likely to end up with some salty opponents.  Scheduling McNeese State is the opposite.

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12 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

I made a joke about it upthread but I wouldn't mind just doing the BCS Computer rankings of old for the top 12.  keep the damn humans/eye test out of it.

This week SMU is in and BYU and Boise are out.

there wasn't really anything wrong with BCS Computers necessarily it was the fact that you were only picking 2 teams.

I think committees do a decent job, when it's the march madness bracket. I'm only upset if a team that clearly belongs in the conversation for #1 gets left out. I don't feel so bad about BYU, Boise, or any two-loss P4 being left out of the playoffs because they never would have had a chance in the BCS or 4-team CFP days.

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I did feel kind of upset that an undefeated G5 (Liberty) could be excluded, although in that case I didn't actually think they were capable of hanging with the four selected teams and (like FSU) they got exposed in bowl season.

Posted
9 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Texas had Georgia and Florida scheduled for OOC home & aways from 2028-2031. To your point, there isn't a fucking program in this country that operates more clearly in the OOC scheduling with the attitude of "we will play anyone, any time, anywhere" than Texas.

Anyone claiming someone else as close to this is full of shit. No FCS teams, usually competitive "cupcakes" that go bowling, sometimes 2 P4 teams. Notre Dame, USC and Maryland concurrently, LSU, Arkansas, Bama, Michigan, Ohio State, Notre Dame (previously UGA), vacant and likely major program to replace UF, then ASU. All of these pundits can go get fucked whining about UT's schedule.

It’s not even up for debate that Texas approaches ooc scheduling with more integrity than any other school. They want a ooc game against a national championship contender every year. The second tier after them includes bama, Ohio state, and Michigan. LSU is a small step behind them. Everyone else can get fucked. 

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Posted
6 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

No, but when you consistently schedule programs that often reside in the top 10 you're fairly likely to end up with some salty opponents.  Scheduling McNeese State is the opposite.

yeah, I like our scheduling philosophy.  If we move to 9 game SEC schedule, we should continue to schedule: 

1 major P4 program
1 in-state G5 school (either within our system or Rice)
1 nearby G5 school

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Posted (edited)
17 minutes ago, heso said:

It’s not even up for debate that Texas approaches ooc scheduling with more integrity than any other school. They want a ooc game against a national championship contender every year. The second tier after them includes bama, Ohio state, and Michigan. LSU is a small step behind them. Everyone else can get fucked. 

I think teams with permanent big program OOC rivals should get a little credit, too. USC/ND, SCAR/Clemson, FSU/Florida off the top of my head. 

(In fact I would say ND in general usually plays a tough schedule and doesn't shy away from marquee games)

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Posted
5 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I did feel kind of upset that an undefeated G5 (Liberty) could be excluded, although in that case I didn't actually think they were capable of hanging with the four selected teams and (like FSU) they got exposed in bowl season.

The closest a G5 team was ever going to get was 2017 UCF. Only undefeated team, 2 wins over top 25 teams. Showed they could hang by beating #7 in the peach bowl. But there was no way bama, uga, ok, or Clemson were going to be left out for ucf even though they were the only one without a loss. B1g didn’t even get a team in that year because osu had 2 losses and then gave wisc their only loss in the b1g championship game. 

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Just now, heso said:

The closest a G5 team was ever going to get was 2017 UCF. Only undefeated team, 2 wins over top 25 teams. Showed they could hang by beating #7 in the peach bowl. But there was no way bama, uga, ok, or Clemson were going to be left out for ucf even though they were the only one without a loss. B1g didn’t even get a team in that year because osu had 2 losses and then gave wisc their only loss in the b1g championship game. 

G5 Cincy MADE the CFP.

There were also a couple TCU, Utah seasons where they were legit top 5 teams playing in the G5.

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Posted
1 minute ago, ztejas said:

I think teams with permanent big program OOC rivals should get a little credit, too. USC/ND, SCAR/Clemson, FSU/Florida off the top of my head. 

I’ll give you USC. Having LSU & ND ooc is legit. Even ND makes sure they have a few marquee games on top of the shit they pack in there. 

The other ones, they definitely get some credit for sure. But those games mean shit often enough that they go into that 3rd group with LSU. 

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Posted
7 minutes ago, ztejas said:

G5 Cincy MADE the CFP.

There were also a couple TCU, Utah seasons where they were legit top 5 teams playing in the G5.

You’re right, completely forgot about Cincinnati. I’m a dumbass. 

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Posted
42 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I think committees do a decent job, when it's the march madness bracket. I'm only upset if a team that clearly belongs in the conversation for #1 gets left out. I don't feel so bad about BYU, Boise, or any two-loss P4 being left out of the playoffs because they never would have had a chance in the BCS or 4-team CFP days.

What kind of logic is this? The system was horribly exclusive and unfair before, so if it's still unfair, just a little less so, then so what? Football is a game of direct competition, why are we having biased judges scoring for access? Let teams settle it on the field and come up with the most unbiased system possible for access. 

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Posted
44 minutes ago, Magus Ossis said:

Wasn't the old BCS "formula" really just a composite of the human polls with an average of the more popular computer algorithms as an add-on?

Yes Coaches, AP, Computers

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47 minutes ago, Magus Ossis said:

Wasn't the old BCS "formula" really just a composite of the human polls with an average of the more popular computer algorithms as an add-on?

Not at first. But after Oklahoma lost in the Big12 championship to K state but still went to the National championship game they changed it to use the polls or something

Before that it was a computer formula or something.

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1 hour ago, Crockett said:

What kind of logic is this? The system was horribly exclusive and unfair before, so if it's still unfair, just a little less so, then so what? Football is a game of direct competition, why are we having biased judges scoring for access? Let teams settle it on the field and come up with the most unbiased system possible for access. 

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BYU and Boise aren't undefeated. G5s with 1+ loss and weak conference runner-ups (whether P4 or G5) have never had a legitimate claim to the chance at winning a national championship. Leaving them out of the playoff is kind of like failing to nominate a good (but not Oscar-worthy) acting performance in a year when there's two or three clearly better, clearly Oscar-caliber performances in that category.

This is not a 2004-2005 Auburn situation, nor is it like any of the other famous snubs that cast doubt on who the best team in college football was at the end of the season.

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Posted
2 hours ago, Js1 said:

yeah, I like our scheduling philosophy.  If we move to 9 game SEC schedule, we should continue to schedule: 

1 major P4 program
1 in-state G5 school (either within our system or Rice)
1 nearby G5 school

I’m totally on board with this, and I’d be in favor of playing one of the 2 OOC chump games in November like the rest of this conference does. Not only does it give you an almost bye week at a time when most of the team is at least a little banged up, but it reduces the number of September swelter games we have to endure. If one of those games get replaced by an SEC game early on, at least every other year it won’t be in Austin…

Posted
14 hours ago, Valmy77 said:

Notre Dame is required to play a certain number of ACC schools every year, and that in itself will tank your SOS.

 

12 hours ago, Billy Pilgrim said:

Unfortunately, these schedules are made so far in advance you don’t anticipate Michigan sucking ass when you signed the contract 8 years ago (or Florida State in ND’s case- although they do get a break with aggy and real army actually being good).

It's random like anything else.  It looked like our ACC draw was awful this year, then GTech and UL beat Miami and Clemson.  

 

I remember the original BCS had an objective strength of schedule component.  They dropped it because SC got punished for their weak schedule.  Specifically our collapse kept them out of the 2003 season BCSCG.

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19 hours ago, Billy Pilgrim said:

Unfortunately, these schedules are made so far in advance you don’t anticipate Michigan sucking ass when you signed the contract 8 years ago (or Florida State in ND’s case- although they do get a break with aggy and real army actually being good).

Just stop.....Fuck ND....those candy asses NEVER deserve  break! The only reason they ever schedule anyone with a pulse is for the payday.....then before the game they do all that Da Vinci code bullshit down in the basement to prevent them bringing their "a" game.

 

 

 

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On 11/21/2024 at 10:31 AM, NorthLoop said:

Let's not pretend Dinich is good either. She's trash. All of her research and hot takes are just her repeating whatever Paw says. 

dinich is now part of the bristolscape but she appeared out of nowhere as a designated expert with zero cred to support the anointing

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Posted
22 hours ago, Js1 said:

TeXaS pLaYs NoBoDy

 

In the top 12, Texas would rank 7th in SOS, closer to Penn State than Oregon is to us. 

Can the internet and the committee start bitching about Oregon and Notre Dame and Miami and Boise instead? 

"pedder is texas" works

it shuts down anyone anywhere

if we're at risk, why isn't pedder?

pedder has 1 loss to a top-10 team

texas has 1 loss to a top-10 team

same SoS as Texas

Texas has destroyed the opponent in 7 of our 9 wins (4 P4, 3 G5)

pedder has destroyed the opponent in 3 of their 9 wins (2 P4, 1 G5)

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22 hours ago, Js1 said:

Oh I'm sure it'll be "they can't help who they play!" because only Texas has 100% control over their conference schedule and clearly knew Michigan would lose Harbaugh, half the staff and a dozen players to the NFL when they scheduled this a decade ago. 

yes, Js1, but texas has *ALWAYS* known that 0u sucks

Posted
22 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

EDIT:  oh, and it's not like we didn't lose 11 players to the draft this year.

don't forget that was also proof that along with the sec grind we were going to fail against the sec rank and file

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41 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

"pedder is texas" works

it shuts down anyone anywhere

if we're at risk, why isn't pedder?

pedder has 1 loss to a top-10 team

texas has 1 loss to a top-10 team

same SoS as Texas

Texas has destroyed the opponent in 7 of our 9 wins (4 P4, 3 G5)

pedder has destroyed the opponent in 3 of their 9 wins (2 P4, 1 G5)

Texas is not at risk with one loss. Not even a little bit. And neither is Penn state with 1 loss. I’m also counting Texas with a second loss coming in the sec championship game in that. Texas with a loss to aggy is at risk, psu with a loss to Minnesota is probably out. 

The committee has shown that the number of losses a team has is the first criteria. Then all of the other factors like quality wins and strength of schedule come into play. 

The talking heads and fans of 2 loss sec teams are taking the approach of just ranking teams based on the eye test in their biggest game. That allows the 2 loss teams to ignore their multiple losses, their bad losses, the shit ooc games in November. It all comes down to how good is your best win and nothing else, because then they’d have to accept that one of the 2 loss sec teams is going to be left out, and there are arguments for all of them to be left out. 

If the chalk holds, the only decision beyond seeding is 1 loss Indiana vs 2 loss Tennessee. 

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