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Denver should definitely shake things up this offseason. Everybody but Jokic, Gordon, and Braun should be on the table. Maybe you con a team into trading for Murray. Definitely don’t hire Adelman as full time coach

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2 minutes ago, MrX said:

Denver should definitely shake things up this offseason. Everybody but Jokic, Gordon, and Braun should be on the table. Maybe you con a team into trading for Murray. Definitely don’t hire Adelman as full time coach

Murray has 4 years and over $200 million left on his deal.  Getting out from under that deal will be difficult if not impossible.

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29 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

Murray has 4 years and over $200 million left on his deal.  Getting out from under that deal will be difficult if not impossible.

I realize that. You should still explore it. 

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32 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

Murray has 4 years and over $200 million left on his deal.  Getting out from under that deal will be difficult if not impossible.

Yeah that is going to be a tough sell.   While he does normally step up in the playoffs, he half-asses it through most seasons.  Cant see teams lined up for that shit.

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18 minutes ago, Derka said:

 

Was at the game and just got back from dinner and drinking.

Caruso is so elite as a defender.  He D'ed up Jokic in a manner that Rodman would do to Shaq back in the day.  (Both gave up the same height and weight differences.)  Elite knowledge of position, leverage, knowing where the ball is and where it would need to be for Jokic to get it.  This whole series has been a masterclass from him.  If you didn't like either team and just liked basketball, this was a great series.  Okie City's coach also adjusted and didn't play JWill at all and went with Caruso on Jokic with Chet and Hartenstein.

OKC just finally hit some shots.  

Props to Denver for a hard fought series.  I always thought whoever won this would win the whole thing.

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2 hours ago, ztejas said:

Seattle won in '77.

No, that was Big Red Walton and Portland beating Dr. J and the 76ers.

EDIT:  didn’t see the other response to the ‘77 championship 

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I hope to see/hear a shit ton of Reggie & Cheryl Miller for the Pacers vs Knicks series.

Reggie was Knicks kryptonite back in the day in so many games. 

Clutch comebacks in the final seconds of games alla time.

I've never been a Pacers fan but I loved watching Miller rain 3's down on the Knicks. 

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I was thinking about the cap and apron mess the nba is about to be in. My main question is who wants this? The players clearly don’t want it, the fans don’t want it and I assume now the owners don’t want it. So who benefits?

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5 hours ago, Fastbreak said:

I was thinking about the cap and apron mess the nba is about to be in. My main question is who wants this? The players clearly don’t want it, the fans don’t want it and I assume now the owners don’t want it. So who benefits?

That would be the owners, who don’t have to pay the players and can use the apron as an excuse. 

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The players still get the same percentage of the league’s income. It doesn’t really change anything for them.  It just saves the owners from themselves.  At least the few like Ballmer and the Golden State guys who don’t give a shit how much they spend. 

At some point you may see superstars take less than their max to keep their teams together. And the smart teams are going to trade assets for under the radar players on team friendly contracts. It’s the only way to manage this thing.

 It’s funny, people love the NFL for its parity, but the nba is about to have its 7th different champion in 7 years and people are starting to complain about it. It migjt be good for the league that more teams have legitimate title shots every year. 

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11 hours ago, Message Board User said:

Murray has 4 years and over $200 million left on his deal.  Getting out from under that deal will be difficult if not impossible.

Nico still drawin breath, no?

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There is only 1 team with cap space this off season - Brooklyn. That means the feee agent market is dead. The 2nd apron is so restrictive (this will be the first real year) that teams can’t even retool.

Ex: Boston can’t do a package of Holiday and Hauser. They can’t just dump players either because no one has space.

Teams in the first apron can’t even do sign and trades unless they drop out of the apron.

It’s going to be a mess. You are going to see more and more 10 day contact guys playing big minutes and then being cut for another 10 day contact guy - just like the Mavs did with Moses Brown.

It’s going to create worse and less watchable ball.

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NBA First Apron Penalties

Teams can only acquire sign-and-trade players if they move them below the apron.

Teams who execute a trade must match salaries within 110% of the outgoing obligation. Compare this to teams in good standing, which have a broader match window at 125%.

Teams cannot sign any players waived during the regular season if their salary is greater than the midlevel exception.

NBA Second Apron Penalties

Teams do not have access to the taxpayer midlevel exception.

Teams cannot use trade exceptions created when combining the salaries of multiple players.

Teams cannot use trade exceptions from any prior year.

Teams lose the ability to trade first-round picks that are seven years in the future.

If teams remain in the second apron for any three years in a five-year period, their upcoming first-round draft pick is automatically moved to the end of the first round.

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"I would really, really appreciate it if there were a couple of days off in-between games in the playoffs," Aaron Gordon said. "Just to give all these professional athletes one more day of rest and you would see a higher level of basketball."
 

Game 6 Thursday night, game 7 Sunday night. 

Shut up and dribble

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Aaron, I sympathize, but you and your colleagues should force the league to shorten the regular season then.  Fewer (or no) back to backs, less wear and tear on your body, healthier for playoffs.  Shorter regular season = longer playoff.

But you guys are too greedy and won't take less money. 

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Also, maybe direct some of that frustration toward your new GM. Maybe having Russell Westbrook as the entire starting unit's only backup is problematic.

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Posted
2 hours ago, Kermit said:

That would be the owners, who don’t have to pay the players and can use the apron as an excuse. 

Bingo

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2 hours ago, Fastbreak said:

There is only 1 team with cap space this off season - Brooklyn. That means the feee agent market is dead. The 2nd apron is so restrictive (this will be the first real year) that teams can’t even retool.

Ex: Boston can’t do a package of Holiday and Hauser. They can’t just dump players either because no one has space.

Teams in the first apron can’t even do sign and trades unless they drop out of the apron.

It’s going to be a mess. You are going to see more and more 10 day contact guys playing big minutes and then being cut for another 10 day contact guy - just like the Mavs did with Moses Brown.

It’s going to create worse and less watchable ball.

—-

NBA First Apron Penalties

Teams can only acquire sign-and-trade players if they move them below the apron.

Teams who execute a trade must match salaries within 110% of the outgoing obligation. Compare this to teams in good standing, which have a broader match window at 125%.

Teams cannot sign any players waived during the regular season if their salary is greater than the midlevel exception.

NBA Second Apron Penalties

Teams do not have access to the taxpayer midlevel exception.

Teams cannot use trade exceptions created when combining the salaries of multiple players.

Teams cannot use trade exceptions from any prior year.

Teams lose the ability to trade first-round picks that are seven years in the future.

If teams remain in the second apron for any three years in a five-year period, their upcoming first-round draft pick is automatically moved to the end of the first round.

This seems like ultimately it will squeeze out some mid level guys.  If someone making MLE is waived their only option, if they want to stay in the league, is to sign with a crappy team.   They may choose to go overseas if they can make more money and wont have an opportunity to go to a team with a chance at a title.

The ultimate goal is to put pressure on the top level guys and make them the fall guys for not being able to keep teams together.   

The NBA tried parity in the early-mid 70s and it is widely seen as the worse era of the league.   It will be interesting to see how that works out.

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3 minutes ago, Derka said:

but he’s not the mvp because of “win/loss record”, aka “we’re tired of giving it to him”.

Not to mention doing that with a pretty shallow team. He’s way more impactful 

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17 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Not to mention doing that with a pretty shallow team. He’s way more impactful 

And a season that saw both their coach and GM FUCKING FIRED. I still can’t get over the fact that Mike Malone was fired to save the season and it worked. They almost took out the top seed. Absolutely insane run for that team, considering the circumstances and injuries. They played in the two best series, turned them into rock fights, and bled out heroically, all with a new head coach and Russell Westbrook. 

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33 minutes ago, Derka said:

 

Playing every other day is not a stretch.  Also, that's part of the game and the mark of a good team is depth.

Also, these playoffs go on long enough.  Stretching the series out would make it worse.

OKC will be fine.  They're all 25 years old.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Kermit said:

I just looked at the schedule and the Thunder have to turn around and play tomorrow? That sucks.

And the ECF starts Wednesday bc game 7 would have been tonight. 

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2 hours ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Second apron needs to be more lenient on teams that draft well and develop stars/superstars

I've said this for a while.  Especially when the supermax was created.   If you draft a player and they become supermax eligible the part above regular max shouldnt count toward your cap.    You're penalizing teams for hitting on a draft pick

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Hmm. I want Indy to win because Fuck the Knicks and their over celebratory asses.  Brunson cool though...

 

And the West sucks.  OKC who I don't like at all.  Or having to deal with months of "ANT IS THE FACE OF THE LEAGUE" talk when they had a flawed playoff run. Can't hate on back to back WCF appearnces though.

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On 5/17/2025 at 11:52 AM, Reynolds Woodcock said:

The Knicks have been to the conference finals 8 times in their history in the NBA. Fans in their early 20s haven’t seen the Knicks in the conference finals in their entire life.

 

On 5/17/2025 at 12:31 PM, Mittens said:

I was about to say...Knicks have history, but it's ancient history at this point.  It is funny that they act like fucking idiots w/ any ounce of success though.  It's not like this is a new phenomenon - they were going bonkers last year vs Philly and Indiana.

I liked the Starks/Mason/Oakley Knicks, even though I couldn't stand Ewing and Houston.  Outside of Brunson being a FT merchant and KAT being a giant pussy, there's a lot to like w/ this version.  Bridges is absolutely legit and Hart is a hustlemaniac.  I think if I was a Knicks fan, Robinson might be my favorite player.

 

On 5/17/2025 at 2:45 PM, Vic Mackey said:
On 5/17/2025 at 11:52 AM, Reynolds Woodcock said:
The Knicks have been to the conference finals 8 times in their history in the NBA. Fans in their early 20s haven’t seen the Knicks in the conference finals in their entire life.

Exactly. Acting like they have a rich history of the Lakers or Celtics. I'm 40 and the last time they made it this far, I was months away from entering high school. In my lifetime that I've watched basketball, the Nets have been more relevant by far.

All that may be true, but it's the fucking ECF's.  They do this after winning them I get it...but just winning in the 2nd round?  Overkill.

Think Cowboys fans are going to do this after winning the Divisional round for the first time in 30+ years?  I'd roast them if they did too.

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