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I didn’t have a problem with Otter getting pulled — the team was flat and about to get steamrolled — but I thought DeBoer’s postgame remarks were weird and tone-deaf. And he hasn’t done any damage control since the final game.

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Surely you guys can't keep DeBoer after that, right?  This is turning into a him vs. Otter situation.  And I know who I would pick if I were the Stars.  So maybe I should root for Pete to stay?

 

I have no idea why he felt like throwing Oettinger under the bus was the right move after the game.

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11 hours ago, Chewbacca said:

Surely you guys can't keep DeBoer after that, right?  This is turning into a him vs. Otter situation.  And I know who I would pick if I were the Stars.  So maybe I should root for Pete to stay?

 

I have no idea why he felt like throwing Oettinger under the bus was the right move after the game.

Word trickling out that some of the Stars players said in their exit meetings they were not pleased with how DeBoer handled the Western Conference Finals. What exactly that means, who knows. DeBoer's track record is four seasons or so at each stop -- does his message wear thin sooner than later? Guess we'll see. I think we can agree that DeBoer has some fences to mend if he's to return to coach a fourth season in Dallas.

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12 hours ago, Chewbacca said:

Surely you guys can't keep DeBoer after that, right?  This is turning into a him vs. Otter situation.  And I know who I would pick if I were the Stars.  So maybe I should root for Pete to stay?

 

I have no idea why he felt like throwing Oettinger under the bus was the right move after the game.

I said it in the Stars thread after the game. I was shocked at DeBoer's inability to keep it to BS coach speak post-game.   I get beyond frustrated with a 3rd straight WCF loss but you can't throw players under the bus end of the season.  Particularly the goalie that had an overall really good playoff run.   Pete was much better on Saturday but have to keep emotions under control.   Whether or not he should have been benched can certainly be debated but once the series was lost need to keep your composure.  Reading between the lines he didn't do it in the locker room post game either.

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If it comes down to DeBoer vs. Otter than DeBoer is going to lose just based on the contracts.   If it comes down to DeBoer vs. veteran players that didn't do shit during the playoffs then send those players packing and free up some cap space.  

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2 minutes ago, C-Man said:

nothing highlights how awesome he and Josh are like having to endure the SC playoffs with jagoff announcers that call your players by the wrong name. completely and utterly deserved. I've watched a lot of the opposing sides' broadcasts and he is indeed one of the best, if not the goat

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bob sturm is pretty convinced that they're trading robertson and it's because he doesn't do enough in the playoffs.  he's a know-it-all but also the most plugged in of the big DFW media guys. 

 

i'm not really sure how the stars can get a halfway decent return for robertson with their current cap situation.  any player that would make the trade palatable is making more than robertson ($7.75m) or is due for a payday too.  

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5 hours ago, jebusshuttlecock said:

bob sturm is pretty convinced that they're trading robertson and it's because he doesn't do enough in the playoffs.  he's a know-it-all but also the most plugged in of the big DFW media guys. 

 

i'm not really sure how the stars can get a halfway decent return for robertson with their current cap situation.  any player that would make the trade palatable is making more than robertson ($7.75m) or is due for a payday too.  

I'm with Sturm. Said it earlier, or maybe in the other thread, I've wondered this from the beginning with him. Great regular season scorer but can he consistently score in 5v5 playoff situations where you don't have the time and space to move around like in the regular season? He's a big guy (6-3, 207) that doesn't really create his own space through strength or fight. Most of his goals come when he's gotten himself wide open and he snipes one past the goalie. 40% of his playoff points have come on the power play (29% in regular season games). That doesn't happen as much in the playoffs, especially as you get deeper into the postseason and the opponents get stronger. Here's Robo's career playoff resume:

  • 2022 vs Calgary (Stars lose in 7): 1G-3A (All 4 points come at even strength and he's +3 for the series)
  • 2023 vs Minnesota (Stars win 1st round in 6): 2G-5A (Six of his seven points come on the PP and he's even for the series)
  • 2023 vs Seattle (Stars win 2nd round in 7): 0G-5A (Three of his five points come at even strength and he's +1 for the series)
  • 2023 vs Vegas (Stars lose in 6): 5G-1A (Two of his five goals and the assist come on the PP and he's +1 for the series)
  • 2024 vs Vegas (Stars win in 7): 3G-2A (Two of his three goals are on the PP and he's -5 for the series)
  • 2024 vs Colorado (Stars win in 6): 0G-7A (Four of his seven assists are on the PP and he's +2 for the series)
  • 2024 vs Edmonton (Stars lose in 6): 3G-1A (gets an assist in G1 and a hat trick in G3 -- all four points at even strength and he's a +1 for the series)
  • 2025 vs Colorado (does not play due to injury)
  • 2025 vs Winnipeg (Stars win in 6): 0G-1A (obviously rusty due to missing a few weeks to injury, his lone assist comes on PP and he's a -3 for the series)
  • 2025 vs Edmonton (Stars lose in 5) 4G-1A (Three of his four goals and four of his five points come at even strength and he's a -2 for the series)
  • TOTAL: 28 playoff games (18G-26A, 44 points, -4 rating; 11G-15A, 26 points at even strength, 7G-11A, 18 points on the PP)
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I'm sure the Stars can't get him but I saw The Athletic's list of the 50 best FA's this offeason -- #2 is Sam Bennett, who would be a god-send to this team. He's 100% what we need. (That list was speckled with Stars -- Duchene #11, Granlund #14, Benn #21, Ceci #28 and Dadonov #43.)

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4 hours ago, C-Man said:

I'm sure the Stars can't get him but I saw The Athletic's list of the 50 best FA's this offeason -- #2 is Sam Bennett, who would be a god-send to this team. He's 100% what we need. (That list was speckled with Stars -- Duchene #11, Granlund #14, Benn #21, Ceci #28 and Dadonov #43.)


Sounds like they should have just stopped the list at top 20. 

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On 6/3/2025 at 9:22 AM, C-Man said:

Word trickling out that some of the Stars players said in their exit meetings they were not pleased with how DeBoer handled the Western Conference Finals. What exactly that means, who knows. DeBoer's track record is four seasons or so at each stop -- does his message wear thin sooner than later? Guess we'll see. I think we can agree that DeBoer has some fences to mend if he's to return to coach a fourth season in Dallas.

I wasn't pleased with how more than a handful of Dallas Stars disappeared during the 3rd round of the Stanley Cup Playoffs.  Players gotta make plays, and some of them absolutely did not.

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6 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

DeBoer is gone

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5 minutes ago, Bill Brasky said:

interesting but not completely shocking 

Wow. I didn't think it would come to this. Interesting comment in an Athletic article discussing the Finals. One of the writers basically said one of these years they were going to be right on picking the Stars to win it all. Then another said something about not until they have somebody else behind the bench. Found that interesting. I've thought DeBoer was the possibly the best Stars coach since Hitch. (Montgomery was probably on his way before he drank himself off the job.)

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Scary times because, yeah, DeBoer is one of the best in the business. It's also true that, in the salary cap era (read: when the Red Wings can't simply acquire every top player in the game), hockey coaches just seem to have a shelf life. DeBoer will be very successful with his next club, but has probably exerted as much influence as he could with the Stars.

It'll be interesting to see how the players feel (of course, having the players too comfortable might be a criticism of DeBoer). Rantanen just tied himself to Dallas for quite a while. Stability might have been a factor. I was thinking Benn and Seguin might be in line to play on diminishing 1 year deals until they decided to transition to the front office. That might change now.

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i'm not as close to the team as most of you, so if this take is wrong or off then roast away....

it feels to me like deboer was sacrificed because the bottom half of the roster can't be fired

maybe the players were fed up with him

but we had 8 or 9 disappearances against oil, and that can't be entirely accounted for by the zebras, the league (needing a canadian title) or oil's big 3

the next move should be a drastic retooling - not a burn it down - but the team has to get faster and tougher at the same time

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1 minute ago, Hagbard Celine said:

i'm not as close to the team as most of you, so if this take is wrong or off then roast away....

it feels to me like deboer was sacrificed because the bottom half of the roster can't be fired

maybe the players were fed up with him

but we had 8 or 9 disappearances against oil, and that can't be entirely accounted for by the zebras, the league (needing a canadian title) or oil's big 3

the next move should be a drastic retooling - not a burn it down - but the team has to get faster and tougher at the same time

How do you retool if the bottom half of the roster can’t be fired?

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This is in-line with Pete's history. 3-5 years per coaching stop. Quite a bit of success (6 Western Conference finals in the past 8 years) but never able to win the Cup. Wearing out his welcome and getting fired. 

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Still say it wasn't the coaching, but maybe it is exactly the coaching that allowed so many players to disappear in the POs. 

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As posted earlier, Deboer's post game was just baffling.  I'm guessing what was said in the locker room post-game wasn't much different.    I think that probably burned bridges, but I also put most of the blame for Edmonton series on the players.  Particularly the inability to finish great chances back to back years against that team.  Duchene, Wyatt and Marchment had awful series in particular (as did Benn but that just may be who he is at this point).  Never would have believed after winning game 6 a couple of weeks later we would lose 4 straight to Oil (and the series in 5) and DeBoer would be out but here we are.

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Sometimes a good coach is just out of ideas for that particular group. The teams playing against him are familiar with his schemes. He's still a fantastic coach, but familiarity makes the act tough to improve on.

Hard to deny the Stars have talent. Jim Nill doesn't seem like a guy who makes rash, petulant moves in the heat of the moment. It's likely a fresh set of eyes is just needed.

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4 minutes ago, GoldAppleCorps said:

Hard to deny the Stars have talent. Jim Nill doesn't seem like a guy who makes rash, petulant moves in the heat of the moment. It's likely a fresh set of eyes is just needed.

I think he just lost guys in the locker room that have a much longer contract term that Pete did.  Will be interesting to hear what else comes out and how much of it was the way the game and post game of game 5 was handled privately and publicly or if there was more to it.  But he couldn't really walk back throwing Jake under the bus after game 5 which was total BS.

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With the contract situation with the core of this team, you've got probably five years to win a Cup.  That's plenty of time if you're thinking DeBoer isn't the guy.  Even if it takes a year or two for the new coach to implement his system, you've got the players locked down for that.  

But if you think DeBoer might not be the guy, then you've got to pull that trigger now.  And I have no problem with that decision.

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6 hours ago, GoldAppleCorps said:

Scary times because, yeah, DeBoer is one of the best in the business. It's also true that, in the salary cap era (read: when the Red Wings can't simply acquire every top player in the game), hockey coaches just seem to have a shelf life. DeBoer will be very successful with his next club, but has probably exerted as much influence as he could with the Stars.

It'll be interesting to see how the players feel (of course, having the players too comfortable might be a criticism of DeBoer). Rantanen just tied himself to Dallas for quite a while. Stability might have been a factor. I was thinking Benn and Seguin might be in line to play on diminishing 1 year deals until they decided to transition to the front office. That might change now.

What makes you think either one of those guys have the capability, or the desire, to snag front office jobs?

 

5 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

i'm not as close to the team as most of you, so if this take is wrong or off then roast away....

it feels to me like deboer was sacrificed because the bottom half of the roster can't be fired

maybe the players were fed up with him

but we had 8 or 9 disappearances against oil, and that can't be entirely accounted for by the zebras, the league (needing a canadian title) or oil's big 3

the next move should be a drastic retooling - not a burn it down - but the team has to get faster and tougher at the same time

The Oilers were just better the past two years. Period. The only chance we had was Skinner shitting his pants and he didn't in either series, save for the third period of G1 this year.

 

5 hours ago, Hornstrader said:

This is in-line with Pete's history. 3-5 years per coaching stop. Quite a bit of success (6 Western Conference finals in the past 8 years) but never able to win the Cup. Wearing out his welcome and getting fired. 

Yep. He burns hot and then burns out. Much like Jimmy Johnson and the Cowboys. Hitch was the same way. The players fucking hated his guts by the time he got fired the first time. Of course, I bet Mo and Hatcher have nothing but praise for the guy who got them a Cup now that it's all over with and 20+ years are in the rearview mirror.

 

4 hours ago, Skipper said:

As posted earlier, Deboer's post game was just baffling.  I'm guessing what was said in the locker room post-game wasn't much different.    I think that probably burned bridges, but I also put most of the blame for Edmonton series on the players.  Particularly the inability to finish great chances back to back years against that team.  Duchene, Wyatt and Marchment had awful series in particular (as did Benn but that just may be who he is at this point).  Never would have believed after winning game 6 a couple of weeks later we would lose 4 straight to Oil (and the series in 5) and DeBoer would be out but here we are.

This is what did him in -- publicly embarrassing Otter, who just signed an 8-year deal and is your franchise netminder, and then not making things immediately right in the post-game. That was just stupid on DeBoer's part.

 

3 hours ago, Skipper said:

I think he just lost guys in the locker room that have a much longer contract term that Pete did.  Will be interesting to hear what else comes out and how much of it was the way the game and post game of game 5 was handled privately and publicly or if there was more to it.  But he couldn't really walk back throwing Jake under the bus after game 5 which was total BS.

Yep. Can't churn the roster as easily as you can change the coach.

 

2 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

With the contract situation with the core of this team, you've got probably five years to win a Cup.  That's plenty of time if you're thinking DeBoer isn't the guy.  Even if it takes a year or two for the new coach to implement his system, you've got the players locked down for that.  

But if you think DeBoer might not be the guy, then you've got to pull that trigger now.  And I have no problem with that decision.

Agreed. This team is set-up to be good longer than probably anybody else in the NHL. Is it Cup worthy? Time will tell. They've got $5M of cap room and a bunch of guys heading to UFA. It will be interesting to see how they fill some of those spots.

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