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You know who else fell upwards their entire life? 

Pretty much all our founding fathers and all the Roosevelts and Kennedys involved in American politics. 

Point is, sometimes a life of privilege can produce people that take full advantage of that privilege to transcend society to a better and more egalitarian place. 

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1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

You know who else fell upwards their entire life? 

Pretty much all our founding fathers and all the Roosevelts and Kennedys involved in American politics. 

Point is, sometimes a life of privilege can produce people that take full advantage of that privilege to transcend society to a better and more egalitarian place. 

Rich Man's Burden

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The movements that have made this nation more egalitarian come from the will and power of the people at large and the mass movements they inspire, not the graciousness of our social and economic betters.

Fuck the god damned Kennedys. FDR was pretty cool, but fuck the Roosevelts as well.

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A scathing article in CNN this morning about O'Rourke's spectacular decline in the polls as of late.  Curious to see how the mainstream media doesn't seem to understand that constantly talking about some's poll decline may result in a further decline.  All he needs to do to get back in the conversation is jump up on a deli countertop in New Hampshire, purposely get bonked in the head by a ceiling fan and proclaim, "I'm alright folks.  Trump probably thinks I'll get wind cancer from that thing, but I'm alright.  But I know America is not alright and that's why I'm here today..."  

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16 minutes ago, Lobo said:

Curious to see how the mainstream media doesn't seem to understand that constantly talking about some's poll decline may result in a further decline. 

They absolutely know that's what happens.

Mainstream media is all owned by megacorporations who desperately want either Trump or Biden.

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5 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

It’s why they keep pushing the “electability” bullshit and ramming Biden down our throats.  

I don’t know if it will work but they’re doing a good job of fluffing Biden while pretending they are giving everyone else fair coverage. 

Pete also gets the fluff treatment, seemingly because he's already shown a friendliness to the corporate money machine and has basically the same background as the executive managerial class.

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9 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Pete also gets the fluff treatment, seemingly because he's already shown a friendliness to the corporate money machine and has basically the same background as the executive managerial class.

Also, the inspirational charisma and infectious moral clarity helps. 

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3 hours ago, Lobo said:

A scathing article in CNN this morning about O'Rourke's spectacular decline in the polls as of late.  Curious to see how the mainstream media doesn't seem to understand that constantly talking about some's poll decline may result in a further decline.  All he needs to do to get back in the conversation is jump up on a deli countertop in New Hampshire, purposely get bonked in the head by a ceiling fan and proclaim, "I'm alright folks.  Trump probably thinks I'll get wind cancer from that thing, but I'm alright.  But I know America is not alright and that's why I'm here today..."  

He’s a privileged white male who married into a white billionaire family.  And he’s not even a socialist. He’s fucked in the modern left’s victim olympics.  

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In the latest poll from Quinnipiac university, O’Rourke is drawing a glum 5% of Democrats and Democratic-leaning voters. He is being outgunned on 10% by Pete Buttigieg, the mayor of South Bend, Indiana, who has stolen much of his thunder.

“We’ve seen Mayor Pete take the lad in the newcomer department,” said Quinnipiac’s Peter Brown who predicted worse to come. “We’ve got 18 months to go and I bet there will be other fresh faces taking the spotlight.”

So what happens next to O’Rourke now that the spotlight has swung away from him? Can he complete the Houdini trick and make a reappearance? And if he can, what kind of potential president would he present to the American people?

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-astonishing-disappearing-act-of-beto-orourke/ar-AABfIwr?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=msnbcrd#page=2

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Of course he'll ebb and flow in the next 18 months (well, probably 14 months or so for him personally, he's one of the few candidates who has the wealth to dip into when they need to remain relevant long after initial fundraising efforts have subsided.  He can't come back to run against Cornyn now without pissing off the Party.  But he does need to worry a great deal about how to exit the race the right way.  He'll be 47 then and basically a 2-term Congressman.  I've said for two years his best play was to run against Dan Patrick for Lt. Gov.  Sure that position doesn't sound glamorous outside Texas where people don't understand how powerful the position is or that Railroad Commission controls most of the nation's domestic oil.  But it would have been incredibly powerful for a Democrat to take down the far right's poster child in Dan Patrick.  It would have been such a big story once people outside Texas understood what it meant for somebody like Dan Patrick (who is just Trump without the hot ass or cool ties) to be cast aside from such a powerful position by O'Rourke and what it meant for the demographic shift at-large.  

Anyway, he could still make an interesting VP nominee for somebody like Biden or Sanders.  None of the other serious candidates would benefit from O'Rourke balancing out their ticket and would seem him as redundant or threatening.  

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6 minutes ago, Lobo said:

Of course he'll ebb and flow in the next 18 months (well, probably 14 months or so for him personally, he's one of the few candidates who has the wealth to dip into when they need to remain relevant long after initial fundraising efforts have subsided.  He can't come back to run against Cornyn now without pissing off the Party.  But he does need to worry a great deal about how to exit the race the right way.  He'll be 47 then and basically a 2-term Congressman.  I've said for two years his best play was to run against Dan Patrick for Lt. Gov.  Sure that position doesn't sound glamorous outside Texas where people don't understand how powerful the position is or that Railroad Commission controls most of the nation's domestic oil.  But it would have been incredibly powerful for a Democrat to take down the far right's poster child in Dan Patrick.  It would have been such a big story once people outside Texas understood what it meant for somebody like Dan Patrick (who is just Trump without the hot ass or cool ties) to be cast aside from such a powerful position by O'Rourke and what it meant for the demographic shift at-large.  

Anyway, he could still make an interesting VP nominee for somebody like Biden or Sanders.  None of the other serious candidates would benefit from O'Rourke balancing out their ticket and would seem him as redundant or threatening.  

You think whitey Biden is going to pick whitey O'Rourke?  I believe the only chance O'Rourke had, for '20 PotUS, was to be on top of the ticket with a woman/minority on the VP side.  Whitey/Whitey won't get the turnout needed and Biden seems to be the clear front runner at this point if early polls are to be believed. 

Being careful on the female part of the ticket is important for the misogynist minority voters as well.   Kamala is the VP choice to beat. 

Creepy Joe Biden/Legs up Harris is your Democrat ticket for '20.  

 

edit: Red Five was more succinct with his message.

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Just now, Johnny Sack said:

Just calling out white privilege where I see it.  

Bullshit. You're the old lady at McCain's stop declaring Obama's a muslim. You're the voice from the crowd in Trump's Florida stop last week calling for people to be executed at the border. 

You fool no one. 

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1 minute ago, GhostOfTomJoad said:

Bullshit. You're the old lady at McCain's stop declaring Obama's a muslim. You're the voice from the crowd in Trump's Florida stop last week calling for people to be executed at the border. 

You fool no one. 

You got me.  

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17 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Beto is worth putting on the ticket just to make Texas interesting. 

 If you want to make Texas interesting ,  pick someone that looks like the future of Texas like a castro Brother.   If you’re going to make the gambit,  go Hispanic     

 if you want to demonstrate that you think the future of Texas is a wealthy Irish guy who was a two term house member from El Paso ,  go with Congressman O’Rourke.

 They’re not going to express that Texas is in play  with Beto.   

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On 5/11/2019 at 2:34 AM, troph said:

One of the most hideous aspects of sexism and racism is the fact that only white men can be mediocre and still rise.

Sheila Jackson Lee, please pick up the courtesy phone.   Maxine Waters, you are also needed on the line as well. 

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Beto is sorry again and still has a lot to learn.

This dude is constantly saying he needs to learn shit. Why the fuck do you think you should be the President of the United States if you're constantly having to learn shit that is apparently obvious to others? When was the last time Mayor Pete had to issue an apology? Never because Mayor Pete isn't a dipshit like Beto.

Beto is a terrible candidate and by terrible, I mean he fucking sucks. Dude is way out of his league.

 

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22 minutes ago, F250 said:

Beto is sorry again and still has a lot to learn.

This dude is constantly saying he needs to learn shit. Why the fuck do you think you should be the President of the United States if you're constantly having to learn shit that is apparently obvious to others? When was the last time Mayor Pete had to issue an apology? Never because Mayor Pete isn't a dipshit like Beto.

Beto is a terrible candidate and by terrible, I mean he fucking sucks. Dude is way out of his league.

 

Agreed. His campaign has been a disaster so far. 

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5 hours ago, F250 said:

Beto is sorry again and still has a lot to learn.

This dude is constantly saying he needs to learn shit. Why the fuck do you think you should be the President of the United States if you're constantly having to learn shit that is apparently obvious to others? When was the last time Mayor Pete had to issue an apology? Never because Mayor Pete isn't a dipshit like Beto.

Beto is a terrible candidate and by terrible, I mean he fucking sucks. Dude is way out of his league.

 

Yep, I proudly voted for him for senate, because Cruz is a cuckold, but I'm not even considering him as my choice for Dem nominee. 

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There's a place for him in this race but he hasn't quite figured it out yet. Wasted a lot of the enthusiasm from the beginning but I wouldn't write him off yet. 

Kind of wishing he was running against Cornyn though. Really wish he was the Junior Senator from Texas today. 

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I think Beto is probably a better general election POTUS candidate than VP candidate. He won't put Texas at play as VP. He's redundant to another white male. And he won't calm the midwestern honkies down as a VP to a nonwhite and/or female candidate. Would be shocked if anyone picks him as VP.

 

 

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I'm pretty surprised by how this is going for him.  in hindsight (so far) it's not hard to see but it wasn't that way on the front end.  I'm only a few cycles into Dem politics as a progressive voter so I'm very new to the internal dynamics of the party but I thought he could get more traction.  He's really got no where to go with Biden taking the Obama mantle as a "reasonable centrist", Mayor Pete taking the gays and hollywood types, and Warren and Sanders as the pure progressives.  I don't know how he breaks free, he seems stuck in between these candidates and each of them are attracting that part of the voting block to themselves better than Beto, even though he has a path to appeal to all of those constituents along those same lines.    

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2 hours ago, Lobo said:

So what will Congressman O'Rourke do after 2019 then?  4 more years until another Senate spot is up.  Governor?  

Stay in the race and try and get enough support to parlay it into a position with the next administration seems to be his best option at the moment.

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I absolutely agree.  He would certainly make a good pick for Sec. of Veterans Affairs.  I was merely positing the question, that if his campaign doesn't land him in the White House, what are other options for him at a relatively young political age?  Cabinet level perhaps.  Other thoughts?  

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