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45 minutes ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

Yes and what I mean is neither is fucking acceptable if there were other options available. With the genocidal shitbag we all scream to high heaven and the dude gets the needle. With callous financial motive we shrug and say welp that's America. It's the same result but we have built in an acceptance as long as money is involved. 

That’s just capitalism, baby! 

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He just said at the Israeli signing deal that the “UAE has always been a tremendous war fighting nation.”

what the fuck?

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13 hours ago, Blotto said:

All those points are certainly accurate, but my concern is not what happens in a legitimate election.

I think a lot of this is overblown.

Will there be attempts at hanky-panky? Absolutely -- just like there always were.

Are there ways to get around the hanky-panky? Yes. By getting a mail-in ballot and taking it directly to the Registrar's office (instead of relying on USPS); by voting in-person and showing up early; etc.

The point is to not wait for the ballot to come to you, but to take personal responsibility for your ballot and get that shit done.

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1 minute ago, Lobo said:

He just said at the Israeli signing deal that the “UAE has always been a tremendous war fighting nation.”

what the fuck?

His cult will believe it.  And many others as well.

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I think a lot of this is overblown.
Will there be attempts at hanky-panky? Absolutely -- just like there always were.
Are there ways to get around the hanky-panky? Yes. By getting a mail-in ballot and taking it directly to the Registrar's office (instead of relying on USPS); by voting in-person and showing up early; etc.
The point is to not wait for the ballot to come to you, but to take personal responsibility for your ballot and get that shit done.

Americans already can’t be bothered to vote, what makes you think they will go through this extra effort?

How can you look at this Kanye fuckery, voter suppression fuckery, USPS fuckery and say this is “overblown”. The Republicans do not want people to vote, period.

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15 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

I think there's quite a bit to this.  Plus, I think a lot of GOPers have decided they probably weren't going to win their re-election anyway (or would no matter what), so if Trumpism extends it (and the grift), it's gravy.  See, e.g. all the resignations.

Probably I should re-phrase that being no longer in office isn't necessarily the plan. The plan is to funnel money to themselves. They can do this either in office or out of office. If he's the president? He can direct tons of things his way. If he's the dictator? He can send everything to his coffers. So there is cause for concern there. But they don't need to be in office to do this. The free publicity he's already gotten will fuel his career for the next two decades even if he never holds office again.

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1 minute ago, Dark Horse said:


Americans already can’t be bothered to vote, what makes you think they will go through this extra effort?

How can you look at this Kanye fuckery, voter suppression fuckery, USPS fuckery and say this is “overblown”. The Republicans do not want people to vote, period.

Are you talking about yourself, or someone else? Because if you're talking about yourself, then you're part of the problem. And if you're talking about someone else you know personally, then go grab that someone else and smack them about with a raw haddock until they get off their asses and do something about it. And if you're talking about a hypothetical "someone else" that is no one you know, then the least you can do is post something on social media.

Like I'm doing right here and right now.

I guess the point I'm trying to make here is this: If you don't get off your tuckus and vote, I will personally do nothing but send you Babylon 5 gifs for the rest of your miserable life.

 

 

 

 

You know I'll do it, too

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Curbside Voting

If a voter is physically unable to enter the polling place, he or she may ask that an election officer bring a ballot to the entrance of the polling place or to a car at parked at the curbside. After the voter marks the ballot, they will give it to the election officer, who will put it in the ballot box. Or, at the voter’s request, a companion may hand the voter a ballot and deposit it for him or her.

TIP FOR VOTER WITH DISABILITY: If you plan to go alone to vote curbside, it is wise to call ahead so election officials will expect you. Generally speaking, you may vote curbside during the early voting period (the 17th day before Election Day until the 4th day before Election Day) or on Election Day. For a May uniform election date or resulting runoff election, the early voting period is the 12th day before Election Day until the 4th day before Election Day.

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1 minute ago, Dark Horse said:


Americans already can’t be bothered to vote, what makes you think they will go through this extra effort?

How can you look at this Kanye fuckery, voter suppression fuckery, USPS fuckery and say this is “overblown”. The Republicans do not want people to vote, period.

Donald Trump admitted on Monday that making it easier to vote in America would hurt the Republican party.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/30/trump-republican-party-voting-reform-coronavirus

 


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7 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

Are you talking about yourself, or someone else? Because if you're talking about yourself, then you're part of the problem. And if you're talking about someone else you know personally, then go grab that someone else and smack them about with a raw haddock until they get off their asses and do something about it. And if you're talking about a hypothetical "someone else" that is no one you know, then the least you can do is post something on social media.

Like I'm doing right here and right now.

I guess the point I'm trying to make here is this: If you don't get off your tuckus and vote, I will personally do nothing but send you Babylon 5 gifs for the rest of your miserable life.

 

 

 

 

You know I'll do it, too

Can you tell me if this is some sort of gag before I waste time responding?

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Yep and that would be really difficult for a whistleblower to prove much of anything.  That type of thing happens in hospitals all over.  Definitely not saying it’s right, but it’s a lot more gray.  When people bring up Mengele, I need to speak up.  We don’t need to be like Q dipshits.  
 

It’s not that I think there’s a conspiracy like Mengele. But I see the shit a few doctors can get away with for some period of time at reputable hospitals. I shudder to think what a bad actor could do treating immigrant detainee women who don’t speak English, whose families aren’t in the picture, with the dregs of the medical and nursing professions treating, with little to no oversight, and whose patients are being “protected” by a prison guard workforce of incompetents who think brown people are vermin.

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9 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Is this thinking really a risk we can take?

The problem is that this thinking leads to a defeatist attitude, where people think "It's busted anyway, so I might as well not even bother." 

That is their goal. It's not enough for them to try to manipulate the system; they want you thinking that the system is so broken that you don't even make an attempt.

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2 minutes ago, Dark Horse said:

Can you tell me if this is some sort of gag before I waste time responding?

You're wasting your time by responding whether it's a gag or not.

You should be spending your time making your voting plans and contacting everyone you know to make sure they are ready, too. 

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17 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

You're wasting your time by responding whether it's a gag or not.

You should be spending your time making your voting plans and contacting everyone you know to make sure they are ready, too. 

Oh yes, vote shame me daddy. 
 

Don’t worry about the republicans stealing an election because we can just get 65 million people to all vote in person and that will solve everything. That’s what a functioning democracy looks like. 

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19 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

This.  We have to make deliberate efforts to go above and beyond.  I don't just want to see minorities get an education and a "good job."  I want them to end up in positions of relative power, places where they can exert real control over industry, law, and policy in positive ways.    To that end (and this is just an example), I'm working with an effort to support minority and first-generation potential law students.  Give them mentoring, give them an idea of what this professional world really looks like, give them something of a network before they even graduate law school, so that they can become leaders.  Yeah, lawyers suck, etc. etc.....but a shitload of them influence matters of law and policy.  So, helping minorities end up in those positions is one way to make a real difference.

It's not the only way.  But "we need more black lawyers" alone ain't it.  We need more minority lawyers who have some fo the same advantages and networks as a kid from Highland Park has, so those lawyers can end up in the halls of power too.

Fuck the G ride, I want the machines that are making 'em

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33 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

The problem is that this thinking leads to a defeatist attitude, where people think "It's busted anyway, so I might as well not even bother." 

That is their goal. It's not enough for them to try to manipulate the system; they want you thinking that the system is so broken that you don't even make an attempt.

I'm with @Dark Horse on this one, Rimbo. We vote. We not only vote, but I take the time to make a crib sheet for our family based on our discussions around the supper table. My spouse has had people coming up to him at work before asking if he has my crib sheet because most people don't even bother  (crossed out, after thinking better of it: I think many Americans just don't even know where to start anymore and they are so tired trying to keep up with daily life, they don't have the connection or energy to do it) to research their local candidates much less their House or Senate candidates. Crazy, huh?!

But, when a man and his crew of criminals Mobbed Up Organization have worked over the DOJ, have the Senate in his pockets, got caught soliciting foreign intervention, and may or may not have the SCOTUS on his side, why would you think I couldn't do both? VOTE and have CONSTANT VIGILANCE because I want this to go down in history as a "never ever allow this to happen again" moment for Americans.

 

Edited by Mrs Whiggins

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7 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

i don't even need a crib sheet any longer.

does this person have an (R) next to their name? yes? fuck this person.

It's gotten easier in some ways over the years. Our city council is supposed to be free of that although it doesn't take too much effort to suss out their policy.

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18 hours ago, Blotto said:

The level of "fuck you I don't give a fuck" attitude displayed by  Trump, his entire administration and the GOP leads me to believe they are not overly concerned by the results of the election. And that is what keeps me up at night. 

I hadn't thought of it that way. I sort of hate you for making me think of it that way. 

Not that i haven't considered and written about how far they may go to hold power, I just thought it was fear of punishment driving them not sober impunity. If that's true, what is it they know that we don't? Who is already in their pocket? 

Fuck.

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1 hour ago, Rimbo said:

You're wasting your time by responding whether it's a gag or not.

You should be spending your time making your voting plans and contacting everyone you know to make sure they are ready, too. 

It goes beyond voting plans. If he declares the election invalid, do you think the Senate or DOJ will push back? It seems like an unlikely scenario, but then again I would have thought that the president would not be able to withhold US aid appropriated through congress to a foreign government unless that government investigated the son of his opponent in the next presidential election. Its basically accepted fact thats exactly what happened, and there were ZERO ramifications for getting caught red handed.

My concern is not who shows up to vote, or how they vote. My concern is the fuckery that  will transpire to invalidate everyone that does vote. Who is going to stop him? The same feeble GOP dicksuckers in the Senate that have let him run roughshod over the country for the last 4 years? Barr and his non-partisan DOJ? Listen to his words, listen to the "warnings" about election tampering from the GOP and his administration. They already know they are going to lose the election, they have moved onto plan B. The statements that come out of that dipshit's mouth are so fucking obvious. You don't spend all your time positioning  the election as a rigged event if you plan on winning it. 

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14 hours ago, Fastbreak said:

Once again, this would be the worst controversy in Presidential history pre-2016. Now, it is just a Monday morning. 

Argument-proof and irony-deaf are the descriptives that keep coming to mind regarding  that huge plurality of the electorate.

You see a horribly fat person eating a giant piece of cake with ice cream. He tells everyone how great it is and that they should dig in. 

He's living in that moment. He's living for the feeling of the moment. He knows he's consuming what for him is poison. He knows it, but his mind can't win over the pure pleasure of sensation wrapped in emotion. It's human not evil. He understands he may be killing himself, but won't stop himself. It's too hard to let go of the feeling.

Here, we're all standing in the maw of an enormous alligator. The Trumpists can't shut up about how great our new pet is.

"Um, it's an alligator."

"Fuck your feelings, pussy!"

 

 

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So, I was curious about what the electoral vote count actually looks like.  Here is what it looked like in 2017:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?421237-1/joint-session-congress-certifies-donald-trump-us-president

The current VP is in charge, and in that case Joe Biden was counting the votes to elect Trump as president.  I am no fan of Pence, but I do believe that he'll do the right thing if Biden wins ... count the votes and point us towards a peaceful transfer of power.

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10 minutes ago, Texas Jeff said:

So, I was curious about what the electoral vote count actually looks like.  Here is what it looked like in 2017:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?421237-1/joint-session-congress-certifies-donald-trump-us-president

The current VP is in charge, and in that case Joe Biden was counting the votes to elect Trump as president.  I am no fan of Pence, but I do believe that he'll do the right thing if Biden wins ... count the votes and point us towards a peaceful transfer of power.

Maybe the GOP can find a method to not count EC votes but that doesn't change that Trump would be out of office on Jan 21. The office doesn't remain his until an successor is named. I'm unsure of Pence's role if Trump is out. Does the House Speaker become acting POTUS until a president is named?

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49 minutes ago, Blotto said:

It goes beyond voting plans. If he declares the election invalid, do you think the Senate or DOJ will push back? It seems like an unlikely scenario, but then again I would have thought that the president would not be able to withhold US aid appropriated through congress to a foreign government unless that government investigated the son of his opponent in the next presidential election. Its basically accepted fact thats exactly what happened, and there were ZERO ramifications for getting caught red handed.

My concern is not who shows up to vote, or how they vote. My concern is the fuckery that  will transpire to invalidate everyone that does vote. Who is going to stop him? The same feeble GOP dicksuckers in the Senate that have let him run roughshod over the country for the last 4 years? Barr and his non-partisan DOJ? Listen to his words, listen to the "warnings" about election tampering from the GOP and his administration. They already know they are going to lose the election, they have moved onto plan B. The statements that come out of that dipshit's mouth are so fucking obvious. You don't spend all your time positioning  the election as a rigged event if you plan on winning it. 

This. Exactly this.

They have been the Mob all throughout this four year term.

"What are you gonna do about it?" is their brand, their lifestyle, and our hell. So, the American mob needs to not only vote but be prepared to defend our house. The one in DC, not the suburbs.

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1 hour ago, hayden_horn said:

i don't even need a crib sheet any longer.

does this person have an (R) next to their name? yes? fuck this person.

This is where I am too. I walked past a storefront yesterday for the guy running against AOC. I can’t vote for her AND against him and his cult fast enough.

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22 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

This. Exactly this.

They have been the Mob all throughout this four year term.

"What are you gonna do about it?" is their brand, their lifestyle, and our hell. So, the American mob needs to not only vote but be prepared to defend our house. The one in DC, not the suburbs.

 

3 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Everyone should vote their asses off and also be prepared to do more if necessary. 

These.  Look at what's happening in Minsk right now.  An illegitimate president refuses to leave the people's house.  They aren't letting him have a moment's peace.

If Trump is defeated, and by whatever bullshit mechanism, claims victory/refuses to leave, he should not have a moment's peace.

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1 hour ago, hayden_horn said:

i don't even need a crib sheet any longer.

does this person have an (R) next to their name? yes? fuck this person.

Yep.  I'm there.  That said, I regularly provide a crib sheet to a lot of of folks with my recommendations in judicial races.  Historically, my recommendations have been bipartisan (seriously, I've recommended an R in at least one judicial race in every election I can remember....until 2018).  Today, nope.  Having an R next to your name should be punished.  You are associated with and support a criminal enterprise that is actively working to undermine the very foundations of the Republic, and free and fair elections and transfers of power.  I don't care if you're just a good soldier in the Wermacht, just doing your duty -- I don't give a fuck.  I want your unconditional surrender just like I want it from the worst fucking SS officer out there.  You picked the wrong fucking side, and there are consequences.

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A peace agreement in the Middle East between Israel and any Arab country is a good thing. However I find it odd that Bahrain and UAE sent their foreign ministers to sign the agreement and not senior leadership.  As in the Emir of Bahrain or at least the Prime Minister. Or the President or VP of UAE. Instead lower leaders are signing. These are Pompeo's equals not Trump's.

Seems like the UAE are basically trading some recognition of Israel for F-35s which even the Saudis don't get. All for a Sept photo op before an Nov election. 

 

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Stay vigilant.  Be prepared for anything - Including the R rigging shit.  But between those who have left the R party and a unified left I have faith in the system.  Maybe I’m crazy, but I know the power the people of this country have...if they choose to exercise that power, and in that scenario they would, we will be fine.  It won’t be easy but the right side (left) wins this one.  

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11 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

A peace agreement in the Middle East between Israel and any Arab country is a good thing. However I find it odd that Bahrain and UAE sent their foreign ministers to sign the agreement and not senior leadership.  As in the Emir of Bahrain or at least the Prime Minister. Or the President or VP of UAE. Instead lower leaders are signing. These are Pompeo's equals not Trump's.

Seems like the UAE are basically trading some recognition of Israel for F-35s which even the Saudis don't get. All for a Sept photo op before an Nov election. 

 

yeah, that's kind of a big middle finger, given that netanyahu is here.

other than that, this is a big cynical trade deal, as far as i see it, but you got to give a little to get a little i reckon.

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Um, someone might want to inform the attorney general that Trump is, and has been for awhile, openly talking about staying in office past his second term. 

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1 minute ago, Pancho said:

 

FFS.  There is so much nonsense here.  Just for starters, you would have heard if the president was talking about staying in office and seizing power?  Well, HE'S FUCKING SAID IT IN PUBLIC MULTIPLE TIMES.  Might want to start paying a bit more attention you baby dinosaur muppet.

He is saying all of their plans out loud in the last paragraph.

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Please tell me this happened
 

I hope Netanyahu and the whole delegation catch it.

They’ve crawled up Trump’s ginormous ass and enabled his bullshittery. They don’t get to call Uncle now. They helped make the monster. Fuck em.

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Oh and I sure love hearing the fucking attorney general talk about "the liberals" like that. 

Remember how it was the worst thing ever when ex-president Bill Clinton met with Loretta Lynch at an airport for a few minutes?

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3 hours ago, Lobo said:

He just said at the Israeli signing deal that the “UAE has always been a tremendous war fighting nation.”

what the fuck?

They are also good at song singing.

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1 hour ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Maybe the GOP can find a method to not count EC votes but that doesn't change that Trump would be out of office on Jan 21. The office doesn't remain his until an successor is named. I'm unsure of Pence's role if Trump is out. Does the House Speaker become acting POTUS until a president is named?

Every two years after our national elections, the new Congress is sworn in on the following January 3rd.  So on Jan 3rd, 2021, we will have a new Congress and an old President and VP.  If it is also a presidential election year, they meet in joint session on January 6th to count the electoral votes.

For this session, the current VP is in charge.  So Pence will stand up at the front on Jan 6th, 2021, flanked probably by Pelosi as speaker of the house, unless the R's take control of the house.

Four "tellers", two from the house and two from the senate, read and submit the electoral vote count from each state.  At the end, the VP announces the new president and VP, if a candidate got more than 270 votes. You can have objections in writing if signed by a house member and a senator, which would turn into chaos if we were really fighting down to the last vote.

Pence's role is to oversee this process and announce the new president and vice president.  Hopefully someone will win by much more than 270 votes and make this a formality.

If no one gets a majority, it goes to the house to pick the president, but they vote by states so almost certainly Trump would win.  There are tons of weird scenarios that could come into play if this happens.

If a president is not picked by Jan 20th, it's possible that the VP elect (if there is one) or the speaker of the house could be named president , depending on what has happened in the house and senate.

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Glad to see a media outlet that addressed this:

https://www.axios.com/trump-merchandise-fashion-boats-flags-9d27d9cb-ff09-4119-a512-1514fbd5d363.html

 

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If President Trump defies today's swing-state polls and pulls off another upset, what will we have missed that could have been a clue?

Here's a big one: Trump flotillas ... Trump flags bigger than American flags ... Trump truck rallies ... Trump shirts ... Trump underwear ... lawns that don't have a Trump-Pence sign or two but 50 or even 100 — a forest.

Why it matters: To his diehard supporters, Trump isn't just a candidate. He's a lifestyle choice and a vehicle for self-expression — a way to continually flip the middle finger at big media, big business, big government ... anything big.

It's all part of one of the big Trump triumphs — convincing his voters that an attack on him is actually an attack on them.

 

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A hat, popular in rural convenience stores this summer, says it all: "If You Don't Like Trump Then You Probably Won't Like Me."

At rallies, you see people wearing Trump flags like a billowing robe. And a lot of this isn't official campaign merch — people print these up themselves.

At a Trumper classic-car rally in Michigan this weekend, one red, white and blue Trump flag — in place of "Keep America Great" — said, "NO MORE B.S.," with the last word spelled out. Nearby, a man wore a flag-bedecked t-shirt proclaiming: "JESUS IS MY SAVIOR / TRUMP IS MY PRESIDENT."

 

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Trump regattas are everywhere, from the solid South to the fancy waters of Mystic, Conn. (Bad metaphorical optics when five Trump boats, swamped by the wake from a massive lake rally, sank near Austin over Labor Day.)

"Axios on HBO" went to Lake of the Ozarks, Mo., to explore this phenomenon for a segment we call, "Trump on the lake."

Axios CEO Jim VandeHei: "In your lifetime, do you ever remember a Ronald Reagan flag as big as the American flag in somebody's front yard? Do you ever remember someone spray painting 'Obama' on their boat?"

 

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White House editor Margaret Talev: "No, but there's never been a president whose brand was branding. ... They like the fact that he says things that you're not allowed to say — that he says things that they feel that they can't say at work or in mixed company."

Randy Kelly, a retired boat dealer who has lived at Lake of the Ozarks since moving down from Kansas City 43 years ago, told "Axios on HBO":

"If you see someone that has on a Trump hat, there's a camaraderie: Hey, we got something in common."

The bottom line: Trump touts a "silent majority," and pundits pundit about "shy Trump voters" who may be missed by pollsters.

But one of the stories of this election is that the Trump vote is screaming, not silent.

 

 

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Heard the dotard say earlier that there will be a vaccine ready in the next 4-8 weeks. 

You know that the day before the election, he's going to pull his "in two weeks" thing with the vaccine. 

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Have we ever had a blatantly partisan attorney general? I know we've had AGs that clearly belong to one party or another, but have we had one that incorporates said partisanship into their rhetoric and actions on a constant basis like this? Honestly of everything that's happened in the Trump administration, this is one of the most concerning for  me.

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