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SF and Boston stepping up with some ideas for non-armed civil service to take over some of the jobs of current police

Updates to my previous bullet point list...

- Disband all police departments
- Keep existing budgets, but rehire based on a ratio of something like... 85% unarmed peacekeeping force / 15% armed special response.
- Heavy mental health and attitude checks/requirements on the ASR
- 2 years severance for any existing armed police who try to re-join but don't make the cut for PF or ASR (no pension)
- 6 months severance for those who do not try to re-join

- Regular education on mental health and de-escalation for the PF (money taken from weapons/arms/militarization)
- Goal of minimum 40% women on PF
- Subsidies for in-community housing for all forces
- Higher pay/better benefits-pension for PF than ASR

Let's say you've got a mid-size city of 150k with 150 cops. You'd then have 23 armed cops ready to respond. Maybe 8 on duty at any given time, another 7 or 8 on call? What is going to happen in a city of 150k that would require 8 guns at once?

On the other hand, you'd have 127 unarmed peacekeepers interacting with the community and setting a FAR more positive tone overall. People feel safer when being pulled over/approached. People feel better about seeing other people pulled over/approached.

If a neighbor is blasting music at midnight, no one has to worry about the heavies rolling in with guns and attitudes, you know some not-macho civil servant is going to come in and calmly solve some problems.

And if the school shooting starts, then the heavies can come in with their tactical bullshit.


Sounds fucking great.

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I'd say zero severance for those that don't make the cut for either reason. Also would require a 4 year criminal justice degree for any of the armed response team. But not a bad list so far.

Edited by Grade of D as in David
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Didn't check thread.....but if not posted earlier

Colorado becomes first state to end qualified immunity

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5 minutes ago, Bone3421 said:

Didn't check thread.....but if not posted earlier

Colorado becomes first state to end qualified immunity

That's awesome. 

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That's awesome. 
Yup hopefully it starts a trend like they did with weed....

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What percentage of time do cops sit on their ass in a Whataburger parking lot though?

 

We desperately need to be sending first responders – who are *not* violence workers – to at least 98% of police calls.

 

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It's probably embedded somewhere way up in the thread, but to this point above from Milwaukee ^^^, I wonder what percentage of police shootings occurred on a call that was considered non-violent as compared to violent calls?  Looks like violent calls across that good cross-section of good sized American cities is about 1.00-1.25%.  Let's say that continues across the country.  Shit, call it 1.5%.  And then tally up all the police shootings (both justified and non-justified) and figure out what percentage occurred on which type of call?  It's a violent call and the shooting is justified, that's fine, that's what the police are there to do.  But even if the shooting is justified, but the call was non-violent...could those types of losses of life be avoidable if the police didn't show up to escalate shit?  

I'm absolutely spit-balling here, but I'm guessing out of the 1000 police shootings, 100-200 took place after they responded to a violent crime call.  The rest are traffic stops, mental health checks, suspicious activity calls, Cup Foods calls, etc.  Shit that did not need to reach that level of hysteria. 

This is not a popular, or maybe proper, time to say something like this.  But the trait that worries me more than anything in police behavior is NOT racism, rage, their tactical gear, childhood angst, stereotyping, or their own emotional fragility.  Time and fucking time again, from every single police shooting in this country that we have audio/video evidence from is always teh same fucking occurrence---ESCALATION.  They come upon a situation that is not immediately lethal to neither the civilians nor the police and they amp up and up and up until they finally have the excuse to use their lethal weapons or knee-caps.  Every fucking time.  The conflicting orders are part of this, but that's an actual tactic that is taught at academies to see if the person they are dealing with is lucid/coherent/on drugs-alcohol/etc.  But they don't teach ESCALATION, in fact they teach de-escalation but really fucking poorly.  

But the officers regardless of their own race, background, education, years of service, rank, department specialty, hour of day, or their own track record of racism and brutality.  The one thing EVERY ONE of them does in non-justified shootings is the unnecessarily escalate the situation.  Not saying all cops do this, most humans are just hard-wired to calm shit or walk away.  But all cops, every single one, in unjustified shootings/knee murders elevates the situation when it doesn't need to be.  They do it in different ways but they take it up to 11

That thing your wife does in an argument with you where they just keep upping the ante and keep stirring shit up instead of just saying "Good Night"?...that's how these police conduct themselves professionally with vulnerably innocent people under the barrel of their guns.  Some 5 year old who can't see the logic in the situation and just keeps acting out on emotion and blind baby rage...they just can't calm a situation?  Now imagine they have qualified immunity from you doubting their motives and they had military grade weaponry?  And oh yeah, the only thing you had on your side is the 5 year old had to wear a bodycam that you could show to their mother to demonstrate their insane escalating behavior.  But everytime that happened, they got to throw the bodycam down the stairs, smashing it and your story into 1000 pieces?  

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The one thing I can agree on "defund the police" is that we have got to stop enabling the cops who don't want to protect the community and put their desire to come home every night above their job. When I read this article I was in complete shock at how incompetent police officers can be. 8 minutes of carnage with 8 armed officers in the area and not one of them fires a single shot. They rush in 4 minutes after the last shots are fired and the shooter is hanging out at Walmart. Deputy Scot Peterson waited 5 minutes before calling a campus lockdown.

This is a great read and I encourage everyone to follow along. Journalism like this is what the world needs.

https://projects.sun-sentinel.com/2018/sfl-parkland-school-shooting-critical-moments/

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On 6/19/2020 at 9:15 PM, Bone3421 said:

Didn't check thread.....but if not posted earlier

Colorado becomes first state to end qualified immunity

Just a sidenote, but it's interesting.  The qualified immunity mostly talked about is something that precludes federal constitutional claims.  So it's a federal doctrine that applies in federal court.

All the states could end their version of qualified immunity, if they have one, and it wouldn't affect the federal version.

States are free to create torts of all kinds that apply to police and to kill immunity and damage caps for them, and make departments and cities liable for the damages.  

Plaintiffs go to federal court because most states have complete immunity to their torts for cops and other government officials, or unacceptably low damage caps.

It would probably actually be a better solution for states to do that than to rely solely on federal litigation.

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Until the rapist is identified as a cop or bootlicker, what makes them think the rape has anything to do with the doxxing or even with the city council woman at all? 

I'm not sure I agree with your police non-armed civil service work there, Lou.

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1 hour ago, WBT said:

Until the rapist is identified as a cop or bootlicker, what makes them think the rape has anything to do with the doxxing or even with the city council woman at all? 

I'm not sure I agree with your police non-armed civil service work there, Lou.

I'm just connecting dots here.

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After breaking into her duplex, the rapist dug his elbow into the her neck, pushed her into the wall, & said, "Maybe next time you'll learn your lesson."

 

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Ah well, guess I should have read more.  I only read what was provided in the tweet.

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2 hours ago, WBT said:

Until the rapist is identified as a cop or bootlicker, what makes them think the rape has anything to do with the doxxing or even with the city council woman at all? 

I'm not sure I agree with your police non-armed civil service work there, Lou.

I’m not sure I agree with your ability to read.

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Offer more money for officers to work in "more challenging communities" and lower the salaries of the guys patrolling the cul de sacs. Come on, Mr. Republican Capitalist, that's an easy one.

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On 7/5/2020 at 7:57 PM, WBT said:

Ah well, guess I should have read more. 

I’ll take phrases never said by Donald Trump for a 1000, Alex.

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1 hour ago, Bama Chick said:

Holy shit.


"Williams admitted that people call him “assman,” but disputed the moniker’s origins,"

Like, WHAT?

 

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I don't know if Bama's always been a Fuck 12 type, but the negative marketing cops are doing right now is beautiful. We have a group chat with some of my lib family members and a daughter-in-law said, "I can't take anymore radicalization, every time I see a police car now I wish I had a gun."

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7 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

I don't know if Bama's always been a Fuck 12 type, but the negative marketing cops are doing right now is beautiful. We have a group chat with some of my lib family members and a daughter-in-law said, "I can't take anymore radicalization, every time I see a police car now I wish I had a gun."

It’s pretty incredible. Cops are acting like an abusive partner. It’s our fault because we just make them so mad sometimes and have the audacity to stand up for ourselves. 

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Oh I’ve been a “Fuck the Police” gal for a while.

They’ve been getting a side eye since Rodney King but Ferguson completed my radicalization.

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1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

We have a group chat with some of my lib family members and a daughter-in-law said, "I can't take anymore radicalization, every time I see a police car now I wish I had a gun."

Does the daughter-in-law live in Texas? If so, there’s nothing stopping her from getting a LTC, thus giving her the ability to have a gun on her at all times.

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I believe the tension wasn't her inability to carry a gun, but not wanting to feel like she needs one due to the abusive nature of our police state.

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