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9 hours ago, Goo Punch said:

no, i said that he overthrew multiple open WRs that game, which he did. you girls just love to infer shit that isn't there and then get upset about it. 

 

On 3/10/2020 at 9:56 AM, Goo Punch said:

i hate stuff like this. "according to the numbers" he's an "all time great QB at Texas." Yeah for sure! I mean have you seen his passing numbers compared to Bobby Layne and James Street? LEGENDARY. 🙄 

You don't become an all time great at your school by virtue of being born later than previous QBs and playing in an era where teams gaining 500 yards and scoring 50 points happens on a weekly basis. you earn it on the field. Sam has been very good at times, and has led us to some big wins, but he's also been quite poor and erratic at times, and yes that includes the last game he played in when he sailed passes to wide open receivers several times. Sam will have his chance to become an all-time great this season, but to just point at the numbers and call him an all time great is lazy and full of recency bias. 

 

I happen to agree with your recency bias take, but you claiming bad inference on what you wrote is you choosing to ignore what you wrote.  The "at times" disclaimer does not earn you a pass. 

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3 hours ago, HtownHorn said:

No dipshit you said he was poor and erratic at times, including his last game. He was 12-18 for 201 yards with a 3:1 ratio. Yes, he was poor and erratic.

he WAS erratic and he DID overthrow several open receivers in that game despite only throwing the ball 18 times. Those are facts. still waiting for the part where i said that he sucked vs Utah. 

god you football fans are such a whiny, thin skinned bunch. always got to find something to be upset about.

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1 hour ago, idigTexas said:

 

I happen to agree with your recency bias take, but you claiming bad inference on what you wrote is you choosing to ignore what you wrote.  The "at times" disclaimer does not earn you a pass. 

I still have zero clue what point any of you think you are making. Sam *was* erratic at times nd *did* overthrow several WR's against Utah. Those are explicit facts. Where did that I intimate that he sucked against Utah? Where did I suggest that he had a poor game? I didn't. It never happened. So yes, that's 100% inference on the part of anyone reading what is plainly stated and not open for interpretation.

I mean fuck, that's the entire point for Christ's sake. That even in Sam's most recent game, a 38-10 bowl win in which he played pretty well and Texas dominated, he was *still* erratic at times and he *still* made throwing errors that no "all time great" QB should be making. That's the point. Me pointing out that these things happened does not equal me saying that he sucked or that he had a terrible game. That's 100% inference on your part. 

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23 hours ago, Drew said:

C'mon Derka, you clearly made it seem like he wasn't good in the Utah game with your post.

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This is the point of contention. That I "clearly made it seem that he wasn't good in the Utah game." Bullshit. The very reason I chose to reference that game is because a)it was his most recent game and b) it was a big game/win in which he generally played pretty well. That was the point- that even in his good games/big wins he can still have a tendency to be erratic. That's it. End of story. Factual info, shouldn't be controversial. Any idea that i said he wasn't good vs Utah comes from your own mind. 

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lol, just went and pulled up the game on youtube to check out some of the 1Q. Sam has a totally clean pocket and a wide open Collin Johnson and he sails him. Really poor throw. Like two minutes later, same drive, he has another totally clean pocket and another *wide open* WR and he completely sails him. This is followed by Louis Riddick commenting on how Sam has open WRs but he keeps sailing them, and then he mentions that the he Sam were talking the night before about how Sam needed to be more accurate, to have a better base, better footwork. better mechanics, and that it was something he was working on improving. 

but please, continue telling me how mentioning all of this = "hurr durr, derka said Sam was terrible vs Utah." fuck outta here.

 

 

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I would just like to point out that our all time great quarterbacks like Young and McCoy made plenty of bad and erratic throws. You become a great QB by overcoming those errors.

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5 minutes ago, ShowMeALoss said:

I would just like to point out that our all time great quarterbacks like Young and McCoy made plenty of bad and erratic throws. You become a great QB by overcoming those errors.

and i said as much in the post in question. funny how i make that post, it gets nothing but pos rep, then like a week or two later someone comes in, warps what i said entirely, insists that their own inference and what i actually said are the same thing (they aren't), and now suddenly said post is the topic of much controversy. only on the football board. a fucking bastion of disfunction.

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2 hours ago, Goo Punch said:

and i said as much in the post in question. funny how i make that post, it gets nothing but pos rep, then like a week or two later someone comes in, warps what i said entirely, insists that their own inference and what i actually said are the same thing (they aren't), and now suddenly said post is the topic of much controversy. only on the football board. a fucking bastion of disfunction.

I believe Sam is a very good Big 12 QB, maybe not great, but given what Texas Football has gone through during his time here, I am willing to cut him some slack. He has the heart of a champion but lacks the type of moxie that Joe Burrow showed last year or Vince Young in his final year. When he tries to do too much, he ends up making mental mistakes. Vince on the other hand thrived when the pressure was almost unbearable even for the fans. You don't get Vince Young or Joe Burrow too often, so we have to make do with a good QB like Sam.

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I believe Sam is a very good Big 12 QB, maybe not great, but given what Texas Football has gone through during his time here, I am willing to cut him some slack. He has the heart of a champion but lacks the type of moxie that Joe Burrow showed last year or Vince Young in his final year. When he tries to do too much, he ends up making mental mistakes. Vince on the other hand thrived when the pressure was almost unbearable even for the fans. You don't get Vince Young or Joe Burrow too often, so we have to make do with a good QB like Sam.

 

Sam has intangibles and moxie. He lacks tangibles that Burrow and Vince had. He also lacks good coaching and offensive talent around him that Burrow and Vince had (or just okay coaching in greg davis’ case). Imagine if Sam had David Fuckin’ Thomas as a security blanket in addition to Duvernay.

 

To put David Thomas’ value in perspective, you have a guy that could block, mismatch a linebacker and bust zone coverages. You put 8 in coverage in a junk defense, Thomas snuggles into a zone at the perfect time, and opens up a lane for Sam to pick up a first down with his legs. Thomas could run great routes and hold on to balls in tight quarters.

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6 minutes ago, Eskimohorn said:

 

Sam has intangibles and moxie. He lacks tangibles that Burrow and Vince had. He also lacks good coaching and offensive talent around him that Burrow and Vince had (or just okay coaching in greg davis’ case). Imagine if Sam had David Fuckin’ Thomas as a security blanket in addition to Duvernay.

 

To put David Thomas’ value in perspective, you have a guy that could block, mismatch a linebacker and bust zone coverages. You put 8 in coverage in a junk defense, Thomas snuggles into a zone at the perfect time, and opens up a lane for Sam to pick up a first down with his legs. Thomas could run great routes and hold on to balls in tight quarters.

I am willing to give Sam his due but let's not compare him to Joe Burrow or Vince Young. Those two were generational players --Joe as a passer and Vince as a runner. Sam has little of both but not the type of moxie those two had. Anyone who debates this is a Sam homer IMO.

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41 minutes ago, ImissWallyPryor said:

Punch, sometimes ya gotta admit you were wrong. 

You must be new here.  Don't stick your Br'er hand in the Goo-Baby.

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57 minutes ago, ImissWallyPryor said:

Punch, sometimes ya gotta admit you were wrong. 

yeah, you're talking to the first guy to line up and eat crow when he was wrong about Sam Ehlinger. I have zero problems admitting when I'm wrong. Hell Im better at it than most here. but not only am i not wrong here, i've proven that irrefutably. i've backed it up with video evidence. i said that Sam is still poor and erratic at times, including against Utah when he was overthrowing wide receivers. that's what i said, and i've backed it up with proof.

you guys can continue to insist, "nuh uh, you said he sucked against Utah!!!" all you want, but a)it's petty as hell and 100% arguing for argument sake, and b)it's factually wrong. feel free to admit it whenever you feel like taking your own advice. 

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1 hour ago, ImissWallyPryor said:

Punch, sometimes ya gotta admit you were wrong. 

nah, just register 7 different sock accounts dedicated to me, then obsess over me daily.

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1 hour ago, TreatyOak said:

@Goo Punch, by your logic, Keaontay Ingram had an erratic game because he only ran for one 50 yard touchdown. 

no, by my logic Sam Ehlinger was poor and erratic when he was making terrible overthrows to wide open wide receivers against Utah. There were also plenty of times during that game when he was awesome and on point. That dime to Duvernay in the corner of the end zone? perfect throw. great play. One of several rally good plays made by Sam in what was certainly a good game overall for him. 

Now then- I never said he was shitty against Utah; I never even insinuated as much. When commenting on Sam and his status as a potentially "all time great QB" at Texas, I praised him for the good that he's done, however i also pointed out that he can still be poor and erratic at times, and that he will have his chance to improve upon that next season in his quest to become an all time great. end of story. 

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3 hours ago, ShowMeALoss said:

I am willing to give Sam his due but let's not compare him to Joe Burrow or Vince Young. Those two were generational players --Joe as a passer and Vince as a runner. Sam has little of both but not the type of moxie those two had. Anyone who debates this is a Sam homer IMO.

i'm not sure Joe was a "generational" player.  he had one fantastic year with tremendous OCs.

i don't visit LSU boards but curious if they see him as a generational player the way we do with Vince.

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2 hours ago, Goo Punch said:

Now then- I never said he was shitty against Utah; I never even insinuated as much. When commenting on Sam and his status as a potentially "all time great QB" at Texas, I praised him for the good that he's done, however i also pointed out that he can still be poor and erratic at times, and that he will have his chance to improve upon that next season in his quest to become an all time great. end of story. 

Well, as a Westlake homer who has followed Sam since 7th grade, I freely admit to being less than objective. While  I'm not putting Sam in Colt or Vince territory, he's the best thing we've had since '09 and it's not even close. You did own up to eating crow after his OU win, (after a fairly impressive meltdown even by your standards) and we've been good since then.

Sam is ready for greatness. Get on board.

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I am willing to give Sam his due but let's not compare him to Joe Burrow or Vince Young. Those two were generational players --Joe as a passer and Vince as a runner. Sam has little of both but not the type of moxie those two had. Anyone who debates this is a Sam homer IMO.

 

Moxie means force of character, determination, or nerve. Sam has that in spades. He doesn’t possess elite arm talent or speed, and if he had that, an equivalent supporting cast and coaching, he’d be an all-timer. He’s not and I’m not arguing he is.

 

You know who lacks moxie is Justin Herbert. But the dude can sling it and is a good athlete.

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21 minutes ago, Eskimohorn said:

 

Moxie means force of character, determination, or nerve. Sam has that in spades. He doesn’t possess elite arm talent or speed, and if he had that, an equivalent supporting cast and coaching, he’d be an all-timer. He’s not and I’m not arguing he is.

 

You know who lacks moxie is Justin Herbert. But the dude can sling it and is a good athlete.

Moxie means you know you can count on him to get the first down in a critical game, not fumble or get stuffed on a short yardage situation. When I watched Vince, I just knew he would WILL us to victory. Joe Burrow was very much like that last year. I hope Sam turns out that way this year but he wasn't like that the last 3 years. 

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4 hours ago, Hmmm said:

i'm not sure Joe was a "generational" player.  he had one fantastic year with tremendous OCs.

i don't visit LSU boards but curious if they see him as a generational player the way we do with Vince.

thanks for the neg bomb on this @Royal With Cheese

care to explain why?

nvm forget it, looked at your profile and you're a drive by shooter with no value.  didn't mean to derail this thread. 

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Moxie means you know you can count on him to get the first down in a critical game, not fumble or get stuffed on a short yardage situation. When I watched Vince, I just knew he would WILL us to victory. Joe Burrow was very much like that last year. I hope Sam turns out that way this year but he wasn't like that the last 3 years. 

I gave you the textbook definition of moxie. When it is not paired with ability, the result does not always lead to winning.

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18 hours ago, Hmmm said:

i'm not sure Joe was a "generational" player.  he had one fantastic year with tremendous OCs.

i don't visit LSU boards but curious if they see him as a generational player the way we do with Vince.

Yeah he was average before Brady at LSU with almost the same talent surrounding him. Going to be interesting to see how he does in the NFL when the talent gap doesn't exist in almost every game.

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Chip Brown: Sam Ehlinger's leadership will be big for Texas post-pandemic

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AUSTIN, Texas — Texas quarterback Sam Ehlinger can’t tell you how comfortable he is with the Longhorns’ revamped offense under new coordinator Mike Yurcich. “I think that’s difficult to say, because we’re still installing,” Ehlinger said Thursday, roughly one week from when Texas was supposed to play its spring game. “So I don’t know what the entire playbook looks like. But I know Coach Yurcich has some really good ideas about how to get guys open in space.”

Common sense tells us when college football finally emerges from this unprecedented, global, coronavirus pandemic, the teams with the most returning experience and leadership are likely to have a competitive advantage. The Longhorns have the second-most returning starters (17) in the Big 12 along with West Virginia, just behind Oklahoma State (18). “I’m very optimistic that we have a lot of guys who know what it takes to prepare and get right in the playbook and have your body at a level it needs to be at,” Ehlinger said. “With that, I’m excited about the chemistry we already have.”

Most importantly, the Longhorns have Ehlinger, a blood-and-guts warrior who is the unquestioned leader of the team. Instead of communicating with teammates about Yurcich’s new wrinkles in the Texas offense in what would’ve been the final week of spring ball, Ehlinger is instead texting with teammates to make sure they got some kind of workout in before diving into their playbooks. “We’re supposed to be in spring ball right now,” Ehlinger said. “So we have to control what we can. For me, that means using my technology as much as I can to be in touch with my teammates and making sure everyone is being accountable.”

In addition to completing 65 percent of his passes the past two seasons with 57 TDs through the air and 15 interceptions, Ehlinger took Clemson quarterback Trevor Lawrence’s lead and started a GoFundMe to help those in need through the pandemic that has raised more than $130,000. “After the NCAA granted Trevor permission, I got on the phone with him the next day,” Ehlinger said of Lawrence, whom he considers a friend dating back to football camps they attended in high school, including the Elite 11. “He helped me with what his process looked like, and then I got mine going.”

Ehlinger said he’s still deciding which groups he wants to help with the money. “I think Trevor and I both realize the opportunity we’ve been given to help others out,” Ehlinger said. Since then, Ehlinger has helped former Texas teammate Shane Buechele, now at SMU, as well as Minnesota quarterback Tanner Morgan with how to set up charitable GoFundMe accounts. “The University of Texas means so much to me that I want to do everything I can to give back,” Ehlinger said. “I’m blessed and thankful to be in the position I’m in. Just very thankful.”

Texas coach Tom Herman said, “Sam has done a great job of maximizing his platform to help others. It’s just so impressive to see at his stage in life.” Ehlinger never would’ve imagined spring football before his senior year would consist of being cooped up at home, “pelting” footballs at his younger brother, Jake, a Longhorns’ walk-on linebacker, in their backyard, instead of throwing to Texas receivers Brennan Eagles, Jake Smith and Joshua Moore on UT’s practice fields.

A rib cartilage injury suffered during last season that was apparently re-aggravated by a sneeze and caused him to miss more than two weeks of winter conditioning has healed, Ehlinger said. “Rib feels great,” he said. “Everything feels great.” When asked what concerns he has about missing spring ball and having his teammates on their own, all over the country, Ehlinger said he doesn’t waste energy on things he can’t control or on what would’ve, could’ve, should’ve been.

“I try to focus on the positives instead of any concerns,” Ehlinger said. “I try to do daily check-ins with guys, whether it be sending a video or a picture of a workout and then finding out what the rest of the guys have gotten accomplished for the week. Just trying to keep that accountability going.” Make no mistake, Ehlinger looks forward to the day he’s back on the practice field with his teammates and with Yurcich … whenever that day comes.

“I love Coach Yurcich so far,” Ehlinger said. “It’s been an incredible relationship up until this point. His football IQ is extremely high, and his love for the game is extremely high. I love his schemes and the way he approaches his offense. I’m excited to continue building that relationship.”

 

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I love when we talk about proven leadership with shit on the field to prove it. It’s so 1980s of us.

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25 minutes ago, troph said:

I love when we talk about proven leadership with shit on the field to prove it. It’s so 1980s of us.

1980's...

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Joe Burrow took 1 course last fall too right??

 

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College Football: Which quarterbacks are in the next tier after Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields? 

Quarterback debates are always one of the biggest topics of conversation during the college football offseason, but this year the debate isn’t about who is the best — it’s about who rounds out the top three. Clemson’s Trevor Lawrence and Ohio State’s Justin Fields are the consensus top two — and rightfully so — but there isn’t even close to consensus when it comes to who the third-best quarterback in college football will be in 2020.

Taking into account what the current crop of quarterbacks have done in their collegiate careers, there are seven from Power-5 schools who stand out as candidates to emerge as the true college football QB3. In no particular order, here is the second tier of quarterbacks in college football and why they might or might not end up as the next-best quarterback after Lawrence and Fields.

(Note: This is NOT a consideration of these quarterbacks' pro potential.)

 

SAM EHLINGER, TEXAS

Argument for: Over the last two seasons, Ehlinger has produced a two-year overall grade that is the fifth-best at his position and has been among the 10 most valuable players in the country both years. Ehlinger has squeezed some impressive throws into tight windows in that span — his 33 big-time throws to a tight window since 2018 is tied with Burrow for most. He's been particularly good when leading the receiver across the field — his horizontal lead passes have been his bread and butter. Ehlinger’s grade on such throws and accurate pass rate both crack the top-five.

Argument against: Ehlinger’s mobility can be an advantage at times, but there are just far too many instances of him bailing on clean pockets and trying to create a positive play with his legs instead of his arm. In fact, it happened 40 times in 2019, which was six more than any other quarterback. Sometimes this works out for him, but a majority of the time he bailed way too early and had a better option.

For full article: 

https://www.pff.com/news/college-football-college-football-quarterback-rankings-who-follows-trevor-lawrence-and-justin-fields-as-the-best

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2 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Sometimes this works out for him, but a majority of the time he bailed way too early and had a better option.

The habits of HeroBall are hard to stop. 

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(Popped up on my YouTube App today...)

Damn this is just a bunch of short passes.  Really hope Yurcich can help Sam and the Horns Offense be more productive vertically...

 

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15 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

(Popped up on my YouTube App today...)

Damn this is just a bunch of short passes.  Really hope Yurcich can help Sam and the Horns Offense be more productive vertically...

 

Short passing game? No, no: running game modification. Think of them as long handoffs. 

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On 4/1/2020 at 8:12 PM, Hmmm said:

i'm not sure Joe was a "generational" player.  he had one fantastic year with tremendous OCs.

i don't visit LSU boards but curious if they see him as a generational player the way we do with Vince.

He had a once in a generation type season, the best single-season body of work for a QB at least since VY, and he made a hell of a lot of plays himself in the process. He threw seven TDs in a fucking half in a playoff game. I know OU is not good defensively but that's still insane. Six against Clemson with who knows how many future NFLers on defense.

Points regarding his performance prior to Brady are fair, but it isn't like VY was a GOAT pre-2005. VY threw 12 TDs to 11 INTs with 59 percent completion in 2004 and got shut out by OU. He was already a gifted runner in 2004 but he wasn't there yet as a passer. You could see the potential, and it was very clear after the Michigan game, but it's not like he had more than one full season of straight god mode.

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54 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

VY ... got shut out by OU.

GDGD and FUPM were still trying to make Vince a drop-back passer at that point.

So, fuck you, fuck your mother, fuck your dog, fuck your mother's dog, and fuck your dog's mother.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Did I mention fuck you?

 

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3 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

GDGD and FUPM were still trying to make Vince a drop-back passer at that point.

Yeah, everyone knows this. My point is that he couldn't do it. It was criminally stupid of the coaching staff to go that route, but that's another discussion entirely, and one that's been had among Texas fans who knows how many times. No need to have it again.

VY was an absolutely electric, but flawed player for a good chunk of 2004. He elevated his game and became the greatest player in college football history in 2005. To dismiss Joe Burrow's accomplishment by saying it was only one season while holding up VY as a better example of a generational talent is silly because they both essentially had one year of steamrolling everything in their path.

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Fuck me sideways. You're worse at analogies than fucking brisketexan. 

The comparison you're looking for is Burrow's running prowess before Brady showed up versus Vince's passing before Mack told GDGD to let him run ZR every fucking snap.

 

 

My hope for this season is that Yurcich will do a Brady for Sam, and get him two or three receivers running wide fucking open ten yards down field every fucking snap.

Sam may not have demonstrated much of a deep ball the last season and a half, but if his ribs have finally healed up, that ten-yard game is going to open up the streakers so wide that your fucking grandmother could hit 'em.

 

 

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