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4 minutes ago, immamac said:

Joe Rogan hasn't fallen off at all what the fuck world do you live in? You may want to get your frame of reference checked. 

I don't agree with a lot of these guys on anything, but it's actually fucking crazy to think asmongold is on the take and responsible for pushing voters to the right. 

When you listen to Rogan talk about the Harris thing it starts to actually become abundantly clear what the disconnect is. This isn't defending Joe its looking at the situation for what it is instead of some idealistic bullshit that you apparently subscribe to. 

Warping reality to fit your narrative is just as disingenuous as right wing propoganda nonsense. 

And it’s exactly that mentality that is doing the driving away and creating the party wide issue of not knowing what to do while looking like a clueless organization 

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Asmon is not "on the take" if what you mean is something like Tim Pool being too dumb to realize he's getting paid by Russians. But he does know there's a built-in audience for reactionary politics, and he needs that audience to stay relevant and for whatever income he has to continue.

Nobody in his racist-ass audience was ever "gettable" by the democrats. Like it or not, that's a dipshit crowd. Rogan's too, although it didn't used to be.

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Just now, chainsaw said:

Asmon is not "on the take" if what you mean is something like Tim Pool being too dumb to realize he's getting paid by Russians. But he does know there's a built-in audience for reactionary politics, and he needs that audience to stay relevant and for whatever income he has to continue.

Nobody in his racist-ass audience was ever "gettable" by the democrats. Like it or not, that's a dipshit crowd. Rogan's too, although it didn't used to be.

Jesus you have no idea about this guy and it's hilarious. The only reason I do is because I've played WoW since 2004. The dude has more money and more fingers in revenue generation than you can imagine. His first week of monetization after being forced to monetize was nearly 90k. 

He lives in Austin, in a very modest neighborhood, you keep digging this weird deep hole on complete nonsense. 

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5 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Asmon is not "on the take" if what you mean is something like Tim Pool being too dumb to realize he's getting paid by Russians. But he does know there's a built-in audience for reactionary politics, and he needs that audience to stay relevant and for whatever income he has to continue.

Nobody in his racist-ass audience was ever "gettable" by the democrats. Like it or not, that's a dipshit crowd. Rogan's too, although it didn't used to be.

Asmonds audience is consistent before and after his shift. He didn’t “need” anything to shift for audience. Majority of his audience was left leaning but as an audience probably shifted when he did. Can’t you see that’s the problem that someone like Asmond and others can switch and carry millions with him? We’re not talking just a few thousand. Asmonds audience is millions. Same with Roger, Aiden Ross, Theo, etc. together that’s 10s of millions of people. All the biggest left creators are catered to women 

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Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

Asmonds audience is consistent before and after his shift. He didn’t “need” anything to shift for audience. Majority of his audience was left leaning but as an audience probably shifted when he did.

I doubt this, actually. It's not the same people watching today that were watching before he'd left OTK.

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1 minute ago, chainsaw said:

I doubt this, actually. It's not the same people watching today that were watching before he'd left OTK.

OTK literally collapsed because of stupid shit related to incel fucking nonsense the org dealt with and said fuck this we are done. Holy absolute fuck you are so disconnected from this topic just stop. 

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Just now, wildcat09 said:

Adult men with super defensive takes about asmongold is a new one. The internet is full of marvels. 

Your type is part of the problem for Democratic Party though. People are telling you the landscape for the gen z male demographics and you do nothing but shit talk them. 

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Just now, wildcat09 said:

Adult men with super defensive takes about asmongold is a new one. The internet is full of marvels. 

I'm not defending shit. This is a completely false equivocation and it's EXACTLY what the disconnect is. 

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1 minute ago, immamac said:

OTK literally collapsed because of stupid shit related to incel fucking nonsense the org dealt with and said fuck this we are done. Holy absolute fuck you are so disconnected from this topic just stop. 

His biggest current business loss is Starforge who actually does a great job selling and building quality machines. Have passed multiple blind test by gamers nexus, Linus, jayztwocents, etc. 

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8 minutes ago, Underdog said:

This might be best kept to yourself. 

I bet he was a Hunter main, probably BM….

 

but knowing imma he seems like he’d be a shaman/pally 

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3 hours ago, immamac said:

DEI is fucking stupid and has been stupid forever. 

You don't need a fucking department to just do the right thing and it doesn't have to be called some three letter fad. Thats the problem. The problem isn't what the desired outcomes are, it's how fucking dumb the framework is to get there and because of how dumb it is it never fully realizes the potential of the desired outcome. 

I don’t think DEI is stupid at all. What is, however, is the demagogic assault on egalitarian ideals of diversity.equity and inclusion. The whole of point of creating an infrastructure that removes impediments to allowing the most competent and deserving people has been turned on its head for reasons that don’t make sense. Inclusion in a DEI rubric ensure physically impaired, those on the spectrum and other challenged but able people are not overlooked. What reasonable person could oppose such efforts?  And if we want to keep it completely 100, but for a framework that promoted a desired outcome, 4% of the 52,000 UT students would not be African American. That, btw, is an embarrassingly low number. 
 

 

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3 hours ago, immamac said:

I don't think asmongold has an incel dipshit crowd and I think you are actually a bright shining beacon of what is wrong with the democratic party. You are gatekeeping a fucking guy trying to express frustration and give examples of what they think needs to change. 

 

52 minutes ago, immamac said:

The fact that you think the other 2 people you mentioned are nothing like asmongold let's me know you have no idea what you are talking about. If you would have said staysafe or some other red pilled moron then maybe I'd have given you some credit. 

Asmongold was famous before streamers were famous, he is in the same category as people like "reckful" and "sodapoppin". His channel is completely demonetized by his own choice and he doesn't allow donations and doesn't pander for views or likes.

And I was talking about you gatekeeping Linux, who is very fucking clearly not maga. 

I'm an old school Asmon watcher and he has taken a very obvious and very hard right turn since the election, and started prior to the election after he got temporarily banned for calling the Palestinians "inferior" and advocating for their genocide. He was forced to both publicly apologize for this, divest himself from his own company and from his gamer org because of shit like this:

Some of the shit he has said since Trump's election has been genuinely appalling and absolutely nothing like he used to be, he's truly a completely different person, at least his on-camera persona is. I could post dozens of videos of him saying shit that genuinely makes me sad to hear coming from a dude I used to be a pretty big fan of.

You're right in saying he doesn't care about money or whatever, he has piles of money already, he doesn't need it. He has openly admitted on live stream that his pivot was entirely driven by the clout he knew he would gain and that's all that matters to him. He is now arguably the largest online political commenter there is, on any platform. He is much larger than say, Ben Shapiro is now. He gained this status in a manner of months, despite having almost zero real knowledge of basically anything he speaks on, and mainly just repeating whatever the Trump administration says on any given topic and saying "YEAH BASED".

That being said, I still wouldn't put him in the category of Staysafe or whatever because A) Staysafe is just a straight up Nazi true believer, and B) I 100% believe Asmon when he says he is doing this for clout. It's a grift, 1000%, the difference being the grift is not for money, it's simply for attention and clout. That said, he's always had extremely weird things to say about women (especially female characters in video games) and pretty strong Islamophobic tendencies as well, such as having one of his characters named after Anders Breivik for years.

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1 hour ago, YChang said:

Respectfully, I also agree with the sentiment and outcome of what you posted. But, when in history of anywhere, especially in the US, have people consistently done the right thing? There are absolutely legitimate criticisms of defining DEI policies in our universities or corporations that are not skin-deep lip service, and how to evaluate its impact, but human beings collectively behaving on a societal scale do not autonomously do the right thing.

I think it was about 8 years ago when debating MAGA types I just cut to the chase of what I suspected and asked straight up "Do you believe in the Golden Rule?" and got answers that ranged from "what is the Golden Rule?" to "the Golden Rule isn't in the Bible!"

I've lived neck deep in rural, conservative culture for the last 20 plus years. The problem isn't HOW doing the right thing is implemented by left policies when the right thing isn't even explicitly agreed upon or that it's a left problem they don't relate effectively to people with whom they don't share a hyper self-interested, instant gratification value system with. It's a much larger problem of having to persuade a significant chunk of the voting populace that grew up thinking Gordon Gecko saying "greed is good" (and reiterated countless times over thru conservative media) was the vanguard of a new morality to reconsider and change their value system.

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2 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Your type is part of the problem for Democratic Party though. People are telling you the landscape for the gen z male demographics and you do nothing but shit talk them. 

I mean I get what you are saying but you are going overboard. Those little fucks don't even vote anyways. Bottom line if the only way to capture the majority you keep talking about is another rightward shift by the Dems then fuck it. We need to stand our ground these assholes are going to learn anyway. Fuck all that "meet me in the middle" shit.

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1 minute ago, Thatguy said:

I mean I get what you are saying but you are going overboard. Those little fucks don't even vote anyways. Bottom line if the only way to capture the majority you keep talking about is another rightward shift by the Dems then fuck it. We need to stand our ground these assholes are going to learn anyway. Fuck all that "meet me in the middle" shit.

They could vote. That is the problem. They did this time. 

Posted
7 minutes ago, immamac said:

They could vote. That is the problem. They did this time. 

We keep blaming these small demographics. They aren't the real problem.

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12 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

I mean I get what you are saying but you are going overboard. Those little fucks don't even vote anyways. Bottom line if the only way to capture the majority you keep talking about is another rightward shift by the Dems then fuck it. We need to stand our ground these assholes are going to learn anyway. Fuck all that "meet me in the middle" shit.

I’m not saying shift right. I’m saying reel in the very very loud vocal far far left groups because those groups are the root of the general negativity that republicans spew. 

3 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

We keep blaming these small demographics. They aren't the real problem.

18-45 isn’t a small demographic. 15% isn’t a small jump in swing states. Losing female voters isn’t good in swing states. 

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And just to clarify, rural conservative folks have helped me out countless times when I needed it.

Countless.

That's what makes it so maddening that something so innate can be hi-jacked by con artists, but also think it's completely within the realm of possible it can be channeled for good and the general welfare. 

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37 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

I’m not saying shift right. I’m saying reel in the very very loud vocal far far left groups because those groups are the root of the general negativity that republicans spew. 

18-45 isn’t a small demographic. 15% isn’t a small jump in swing states. Losing female voters isn’t good in swing states. 

This is where I draw the line because that is exactly what Dems have been doing to us for decades. Ignore black folks so we don't give the right wing something wax poetic about. I hated that shit then and refuse to do that to another minority group.

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26 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

And just to clarify, rural conservative folks have helped me out countless times when I needed it.

Countless.

That's what makes it so maddening that something so innate can be hi-jacked by con artists, but also think it's completely within the realm of possible it can be channeled for good and the general welfare. 

I love the coastal bend area, just got back. San Antonio bay down to Baffin, heck all the way down to port Mansfield too. Serious trump country. I get along just fine with all of them. We talk fishing, sports and whatever. They hit on me and my wife at the bar when their wives aren’t looking. This weekend I had a guy flirt with me at H-E-B, he even touched my arm (it was a tad creepy). They help us when we need help. It’s fucking maddening how their politics do not match their day to day life when they don’t know the enemy is who they are interacting with, although if I whispered in their ear “I got the trans” they’d probably freak the fuck out. 

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16 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

This is where I draw the line because that is exactly what Dems have been doing to us for decades. Ignore black folks so we don't give the right wing something wax poetic about. I hated that shit then and refuse to do that to another minority group.

I think AOC and Bernie on middle class economic issues is the future of the party. Real middle and working class politics.

like my uncle used to tell my mom, someone in your income bracket should never vote for the republicans. Dems need that back but not in a center right sort of way.  Again the social justice shit is easy, pass the federal equality act and it’s done.  Given what the northern district of Texas just did, it should be an easy justification. Pass it, move on. 

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7 minutes ago, troph said:

I love the coastal bend area, just got back. San Antonio bay down to Baffin, heck all the way down to port Mansfield too. Serious trump country. I get along just fine with all of them. We talk fishing, sports and whatever. They hit on me and my wife at the bar when their wives aren’t looking. This weekend I had a guy flirt with me at H-E-B, he even touched my arm (it was a tad creepy). They help us when we need help. It’s fucking maddening how their politics do not match their day to day life when they don’t know the enemy is who they are interacting with, although if I whispered in their ear “I got the trans” they’d probably freak the fuck out. 

The friendliest people and the

prettiest women you've ever seen...

Yup, how to channel the natural altruism is the trick. 

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27 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

The friendliest people and the

prettiest women you've ever seen...

Yup, how to channel the natural altruism is the trick. 

I dunno about the prettiest girls. I like city women.

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Last November exit polls seem to offer hope: Moderates and Independents make up a large percentage of voters. Source was NBC News.

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Last November exit polls seem to offer hope: Moderates and Independents make up a large percentage of voters. Source was NBC News.
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“Moderate” means “I only want to expel all minorities from the country, not kill them.” And “independent” means “I once voted for a Dem for a local office because he was an old friend of mine.” Those labels are lies.
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46 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


“Moderate” means “I only want to expel all minorities from the country, not kill them.” And “independent” means “I once voted for a Dem for a local office because he was an old friend of mine.” Those labels are lies.

Chuckle, if you don’t think this is true, check out the independents who call into Washington Journal every morning.

Posted
8 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

I bet he was a Hunter main, probably BM….

 

but knowing imma he seems like he’d be a shaman/pally 

I played that game a month after launch because a friend asked me to join him on the Skullcrusher server. I took a NE hunter and did MM so I could have a bunch of HP while I sat at stables on the GM grind. My pet was a cat from Winterspring and I named him Vince Young and went against an Orc hunter for months who named his pet Reggie Bush. Played for 8 years and then one more during Covid when there was nothing to do so I joined to play Vanilla again.

I am guessing @immamac is an UD rogue or Tauren Druid as his original character.

Posted
7 hours ago, troph said:

I think AOC and Bernie on middle class economic issues is the future of the party. Real middle and working class politics.

like my uncle used to tell my mom, someone in your income bracket should never vote for the republicans. Dems need that back but not in a center right sort of way.  Again the social justice shit is easy, pass the federal equality act and it’s done.  Given what the northern district of Texas just did, it should be an easy justification. Pass it, move on. 

That's the thing that @BurntOrange&White and @linux don't seem to get. The Dems don't really campaign on far left issues already outside of the occasional mention about why do we care what people do in their bedrooms. The Republicans attach marginalized group issues to the Dems because they know it works. Nothing you can really do about that outside of denounce them altogether, and that isn't happening. This has been a winning strategy my entire life if anyone remembers the Willy Horton ads back in the day. So you really can't run from that because the right will always blast it with a megaphone.

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15 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

That's the thing that @BurntOrange&White and @linux don't seem to get. The Dems don't really campaign on far left issues already outside of the occasional mention about why do we care what people do in their bedrooms. The Republicans attach marginalized group issues to the Dems because they know it works. Nothing you can really do about that outside of denounce them altogether, and that isn't happening. This has been a winning strategy my entire life if anyone remembers the Willy Horton ads back in the day. So you really can't run from that because the CULT will always blast it with a megaphone.

FIFY

It's a full-blown cult. It does not matter what a Democrat actually believes, says or does. If their orange god says something then that's gospel truth to the GQP. How you fight through that is above my pay grade, but my hope is that leaders like AOC, Crockett, Pritzker, Moore, Sanders and many others across the country have a plan for this. 



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