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So, uh, what forms did Trump fill out, or grades did he have to get into Wharton? His transcript from when he was there?

When's all that shit going to be released/leaked?

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I mean, if we're going to be concerned about academic qualifications or whether someone got an unfair leg-up on getting into a prestigious college, shouldn't we be focusing on the guy in the Oval Office? Or are we only concerned about that sort of thing when it comes to students from a different background? If it's the case that we're going to be picky and choosy about when we apply standards, then why give a fuck at all?

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23 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Concern troll is VERY concerned. 

Get over yourself.  I can't vote there, but I do pay rent in NYC, my daughter lives in the Lower East Side, and I spend 5-10 days a month in the city for work as my company is based there. So yes, I have an interest in this race - particularly housing affordability. 
Honestly, all the options they have at this point are bad, Mamdani being the least bad option.
 

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45 minutes ago, bolverk said:

So, uh, what forms did Trump fill out, or grades did he have to get into Wharton? His transcript from when he was there?

When's all that shit going to be released/leaked?

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I mean, if we're going to be concerned about academic qualifications or whether someone got an unfair leg-up on getting into a prestigious college, shouldn't we be focusing on the guy in the Oval Office? Or are we only concerned about that sort of thing when it comes to students from a different background? If it's the case that we're going to be picky and choosy about when we apply standards, then why give a fuck at all?

Mmmm. That's MAGA-grade whataboutism right there.  Are you saying I shouldn't care about children of privilege cutting the line? Because that's very likely what Trump did, it's what Bush did, but Mamdani should get a pass because ... he comes from a "different background?" My dude, he is the son of a very famous Columbia professor and an even more famous and successful movie director.  Are academic and media nepobabies suddenly an underrepresented or disadvantaged minority at elite universities?

Again, I don't think Mamdani will win or lose because of this, but y'all seem to object to this story being out there and you sound like Republicans.

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2 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

That’s sophistry. 

It was certainly politically motivated hacking, but since we unfortunately live in an era when literal Nazis are out in public again, we probably shouldn’t say it was “Nazis” unless actual fascist white nationalists is who we are talking about.

That said, it really doesn’t matter. Mamdani has presented himself as a champion of working people and minorities, and while this this has clearly made him appealing in NYs affluent and well creative class, his support has not been very strong with black and working class voters.
Claiming to be “black or African American” as a person with two Indian parents will make that worse. It looks like an attempt to access a racial preference that was made available at Columbia to address the long term structural inequities that resulted from black African slavery, and you know that. And he almost certainly knew it when he checked the box on a technicality. I know a rich white guy who was born in Nigeria. Is he African American? I know multiple Afrikaans people whose parents fled when apartheid ended- should they be able to access affirmative action? Of course not and you know that too. 

Speaking as the kind of person who comes from a working class background that Mamdani needs to win the general: this looks like yet another example of the children of privilege attempting to cut the line.

 

Oh you mean working class whites and and poor blacks don’t like a successful brown guy and will look for a stupid reason to vote against their best interests? Gtfoh

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7 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Mmmm. That's MAGA-grade whataboutism right there.  Are you saying I shouldn't care about children of privilege cutting the line? Because that's very likely what Trump did, it's what Bush did, but Mamdani should get a pass because ... he comes from a "different background?" My dude, he is the son of a very famous Columbia professor and an even more famous and successful movie director.  Are academic and media nepobabies suddenly an underrepresented or disadvantaged minority at elite universities?

Again, I don't think Mamdani will win or lose because of this, but y'all seem to object to this story being out there and you sound like Republicans.

My dude, I'm just playing the game of "American Politics 2025: MAGA!1!!"

As you've correctly pointed out, throw everything out the window and find a candidate who can just win, baby.

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2 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:


Claiming to be “black or African American” as a person with two Indian parents will make that worse. It looks like an attempt to access a racial preference that was made available at Columbia to address the long term structural inequities that resulted from black African slavery, and you know that. And he almost certainly knew it when he checked the box on a technicality. I know a rich white guy who was born in Nigeria. Is he African American? I know multiple Afrikaans people whose parents fled when apartheid ended- should they be able to access affirmative action? Of course not and you know that too. 

2 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Well he didn’t get in but it certainly reflects poorly on his character. More importantly, however, it undermines a core part of his appeal. 
That’s not to say he will lose, he’s still the front runner but not by a lot. He already had a problem among black voters and working class people. This will only make that worse. 

 

No it won’t.

 

Signed, 

A Black

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“The New York Times collaborated with a white nationalist eugenicist hacker and agreed to keep his identity a secret to publish a Zohran Mamdani hit piece” is a way bigger story than “18 year old Zohran Mamdani ticked ‘African American’ on his Columbia application because he was a citizen of Uganda”

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16 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Oh you mean working class whites and and poor blacks don’t like a successful brown guy and will look for a stupid reason to vote against their best interests? Gtfoh

People vote against their own interests all the time for dumb reasons, but who gets to decide what their interests are?

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17 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

No it won’t.

 

Signed, 

A Black

It won’t make it worse or it won’t matter? It probably won’t matter, but how do you figure it won’t make it worse? 
 

Signed, a working class person who spends a lot of time in NY. 

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9 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

People vote against their own interests all the time for dumb reasons, but who gets to decide what their interests are?

Make the case for each of the other declared candidates’ having a path to victory presuming Adams and Cuomo are running

1 minute ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

It won’t make it worse or it won’t matter? It probably won’t matter, but how do you figure it won’t make it worse? 
 

Signed, a working class person who spends a lot of time in NY. 

If you are able to spend a lot of time in New York, by definition, you’re not working class

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16 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Make the case for each of the other declared candidates’ having a path to victory presuming Adams and Cuomo are running

If you are able to spend a lot of time in New York, by definition, you’re not working class

Well I said it wouldn’t matter, Mamdani will probably win and he’s the best bad option. But I’m not ready to count either Cuomo or Adams out, either. 
And for the record, Doctor, once you get enough dirt under your fingernails you’ll never get it out. I can be high income and inshallah could maybe even be wealthy at some point.
I’m certainly rich in all the ways that matter. But I’ll be working class until the day I die. 

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6 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Well I said it wouldn’t matter, Mamdani will probably win and he’s the best bad option. But I’m not ready to count either Cuomo or Adams out, either. 
And for the record, Doctor, once you get enough dirt under your fingernails you’ll never get it out. I can be high income and inshallah could maybe even be wealthy at some point.
I’m certainly rich in all the ways that matter. But I’ll be working class until the day I die. 

Is this where we argue about who grew up poorer? lol I’m pretty sure I’ll win that based on your descriptions of your high school days. And you may retain empathy for the working class until the day you die, but you ain’t that any more

 

edit and from what you post you, like I have tried to do with mine, have been able to instill that empathy in your children, no small feat

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36 minutes ago, Thermos H. Christ said:

“The New York Times collaborated with a white nationalist eugenicist hacker and agreed to keep his identity a secret to publish a Zohran Mamdani hit piece” is a way bigger story than “18 year old Zohran Mamdani ticked ‘African American’ on his Columbia application because he was a citizen of Uganda”

Of course it isn’t a bigger story. You sound like Sean Hannity.

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8 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Is this where we argue about who grew up poorer? lol I’m pretty sure I’ll win that based on your descriptions of your high school days. And you may retain empathy for the working class until the day you die, but you ain’t that any more

My high school days? You mean the year I got called white trash by kids at St Marks and a kid’s mom told me she was “embarrassed” for my grandmother based on my family and my other grandparents? 
I had my nose pressed against some nice windows for a while. That’s about it. 
But, it’s not a contest- we were never poor. Working class people aren’t poor. 

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1 minute ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

My high school days? You mean the year I got called white trash by kids at St Marks and a kid’s mom told me she was “embarrassed” for my grandmother based on my family? 
I had my nose pressed against some nice windows for a while. That’s about it. 
 

I’d trade that for having the water and gas turned off (do you know how far behind you have to be for the public utilities to shut you off?) in our leaky rental house that backed up to a railroad track that was close enough to an intersection that required them to use their horn. And what do you know they hook up at the rice driers at the most ungodly hours

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21 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Well I said it wouldn’t matter, Mamdani will probably win and he’s the best bad option. But I’m not ready to count either Cuomo or Adams out, either. 
And for the record, Doctor, once you get enough dirt under your fingernails you’ll never get it out. I can be high income and inshallah could maybe even be wealthy at some point.
I’m certainly rich in all the ways that matter. But I’ll be working class until the day I die. 

Wait, why is Mamdani a bad option?

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11 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

But, it’s not a contest- we were never poor. Working class people aren’t poor

You’re right. I never missed a meal. I bet my mom missed more than one though. Congrats on st marks though seriously. Kids suck. We always lived in the cheapest apartment/rent house or trailer park that would feed the “rich” schools.
 

One time in 5th grade my mom got me a cool shirt from Goodwill. Problem was it had belonged to a kid in my school and a small stain that he recognized when we were at recess. It went about how you imagine it would 

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7 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Wait, why is Mamdani a bad option?

He’s bad in all the ways normal politicians are bad, plus he’s super green, and plans to spend a great deal of political capital on things that won’t move the needle much. 
I like that he’s young and willing to try new things or at least moot new ideas. I don’t see any reason to expect he can navigate all the competing interests and bureaucratic antibodies though. Brad Landers was a better option in every way. 

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24 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Wait, why is Mamdani a bad option?

Is this a serious question?

Anyways, I don’t think it’s exactly a mystery that he is an affluent guy LARPing as DSA working class hero. There’s plenty of other content out there for amusement. 

 

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14 hours ago, pacman said:

Thought nyt was not in favor of publishing hacked information, via Trump emails hacked by Iran?

 

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I'd guess there's like an 80%+ chance Mandani's parents and/or school counselor encouraged him to check the box for African American. But I think the much bigger deal is how this story got to the New York Times in the first place, how they reported it, and what that reveals about how they operate.

It's not that long ago that the Times refused to published hacked and leaked materials that were much more newsworthy: the Trump campaign's oppo research file on Vance.  But here, a freelance medical reporter (whose main beat appears to be anti-trans shit) was given hacked college student application records by Jordan Lasker, who is friends with Richard Hanania, is a fairly well known white supremacist, eugenicist, and peddler of racist pseudoscience, and is grad school dropout who committed academic misconduct so severe he got a tenured co-author of a paper he worked on fired. In short, he's a fucking nazi.  Also, this isn't as big of a deal, but his twitter handle "cremieux" is a cum joke and his reddit handle is trannyporn0.

Now, depending on the information and the story, maybe the fact that the source is a nazi doesn't keep you from reporting it.  But a real journalistic outfit would be pretty fucking careful. They'd want to make sure they weren't being used to advance the nazi's agenda and they would want to be honest with their audience about who their source was.  Did the Times do any of that? No. They were happy to tell exactly the story the nazi wanted them to tell, they gave the nazi anonymity, and even described him as an "academic" so their audience would think the source was something other than a dipshit, gutter racist little nazi freak. And published this on the same day SCOTUS just gave the OK for Trump to illegally render people to third-world torture prisons and the GOP passed their bill destroying Medicaid and giving ICE a bigger budget than all but two militaries on the planet get. 

The Times' ownership has reduced it to a shitty nazi propaganda rag. And the real cherry on top of this story? 

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They did all this so their source could try to make some money gambling on the effect he thought the story would have on the prediction markets, but it had none. 

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12 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I'd guess there's like an 80%+ chance Mandani's parents and/or school counselor encouraged him to check the box for African American.

Yes, that’s how entitlement works. Maybe they should have hired someone to photoshop his head onto a rower!
 

 

12 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

But I think the much bigger deal is how this story got to the New York Times in the first place, how they reported it, and what that reveals about how they operate.

Sure. The REAL scandal is how the voting public got this true and possibly salient information. He should start calling it “the Columbia Columbia Columbia hoax.”

There was no admission!

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5 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Yes, that’s how entitlement works. Maybe they should have hired someone to photoshop his head onto a rower!
 

 

Sure. The REAL scandal is how the voting public got this true and possibly salient information. He should start calling it “the Columbia Columbia Columbia hoax.”

There was no admission!

Man, if after everything that has happened here the past ten years you're still not concerned about the most prestigious newspapers in our country lending mainstream legitimacy to fascist propaganda, I don't know what to tell you.   

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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

He’s bad in all the ways normal politicians are bad, plus he’s super green, and plans to spend a great deal of political capital on things that won’t move the needle much. 
I like that he’s young and willing to try new things or at least moot new ideas. I don’t see any reason to expect he can navigate all the competing interests and bureaucratic antibodies though. Brad Landers was a better option in every way. 

Why are so many better options so bad at politics?

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33 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Man, if after everything that has happened here the past ten years you're still not concerned about the most prestigious newspapers in our country lending mainstream legitimacy to fascist propaganda, I don't know what to tell you.   

It’s not like this is their first rodeo. 29 different anti-trans amicus briefs in Skrmetti cited anti-trans reporting from the NYT. They sure love them some Israel, too. They are a reactionary publication. 

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42 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Man, if after everything that has happened here the past ten years you're still not concerned about the most prestigious newspapers in our country lending mainstream legitimacy to fascist propaganda, I don't know what to tell you.   

He was in here singing Cuomo's praises a month ago. The rapist backed by the same billionaires that back Trump. Doesn't seem to give a shit that Eric Adams is literally compromised by the DOJ and will just do whatever the Trump admin tells him to.

He is nakedly concern trolling about the scary brown socialist.

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6 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:

Maybe in 40 more posts Bozo will understand this. Probably not. 
 

 

Yeah, but one is way easier to exploit politically because it requires little to no explanation.

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2 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

I’d trade that for having the water and gas turned off (do you know how far behind you have to be for the public utilities to shut you off?) 

I do. Our power got turned off a lot and sometimes taxes didn't get paid either. Mostly self-inflicted bad decisions, though. That said, I was also a member of the economic working class and then lower middle and middle class as an adult, with kids. 
I've just caught a huge number of undeserved lucky breaks, starting from the moment of birth, for which I am endlessly grateful. 

1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

Man, if after everything that has happened here the past ten years you're still not concerned about the most prestigious newspapers in our country lending mainstream legitimacy to fascist propaganda, I don't know what to tell you.   

I'm very concerned and have posted about it. But that doesn't mean this isn't a real story that progressives can just handwave away because he is theirs. 
 

15 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

He was in here singing Cuomo's praises a month ago.

I think what I said was that he had good national Democratic messaging and that he was a bad vehicle for it. 

 

15 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

He is nakedly concern trolling about  unimpressed with the scary inexperienced brown socialist nepobaby.

FIFY. Look man, I pay part of the rent for an 4th floor, 2BR 500sf walkup with no AC in a precinct Mamdani won handily. It's as much as my mortgage in Austin. I care a LOT about the cost of rental housing in New York City.

There is no substance based on what I've seen. Based on the choices as they are, if I was eligible to vote in NYC I would likely hold my nose and vote for him, since the others have disqualified themselves one way or the other. That's the best thing I can say. 

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Reminder that Mamdani was a faculty kid, the admissions office would have been familiar with his parents. It’s just too preposterous to think he was trying to fool them by checking the wrong box. On his college application that got rejected and which netted him no other gain in any form, when he was 17 or 18. The insane reach by the NYT is SO telling. 

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13 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

There is no substance based on what I've seen. Based on the choices as they are, if I was eligible to vote in NYC I would likely hold my nose and vote for him, since the others have disqualified themselves one way or the other. That's the best thing I can say. 

Lol you sound like TahoeHorn talking about trump. This is a weird bit to do on July 4, but go off king

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13 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I do. Our power got turned off a lot and sometimes taxes didn't get paid either. Mostly self-inflicted bad decisions, though. That said, I was also a member of the economic working class and then lower middle and middle class as an adult, with kids. 
I've just caught a huge number of undeserved lucky breaks, starting from the moment of birth, for which I am endlessly grateful. 

My mom worked a full time job and did apartment make ready work on the side. Stepdad worked as much overtime at the refinery as he could get and did plumbing on the side. Had a master plumbers license but dropped out of school in 10th grade. Mom didn’t finish 9th. Lot of high interest debt on CC rent to own furniture and appliances and cars that were upside down as soon as you drove them off the lot. Got a good work ethic from them and a lot of what not to do lol 

And caught some breaks along the way of course, and was in school when the state still paid enough of a chunk to tuition that a part time job could cover most of it, especially if you didn’t buy the textbooks 😉

 

I still would not describe you or me as working class at this point 

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Kerrville about to find out what rugged individualism means now that FEMA was defunded so we could kidnap drywallers and send them to concentration camps that put $100k/head in some ghoul's pocket. Thank you Chuck Schumer for caving back in March.

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24 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

I still would not describe you or me as working class at this point 

That's fair - maybe more accurate to say "raised working class" or "identify with the working class, or "still lives in terror of the other shoe dropping, can't relate to other rich people, is appalled by their kids, and resents how rich people break the rules with impunity." 
Your professional equity as a doctor may mitigate some of the terror, but does the rest resonate with you? If so, you're still pretty working class. You're just a working class person with money. 

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6 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Hilarious that he would call Mamdani a nepo baby when Cuomo is literally THE nepo baby of NY politics currently.

I wouldn't vote for Cuomo, but he is a nepo grownup. 

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37 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

 

That's fair - maybe more accurate to say "raised working class" or "identify with the working class, or "still lives in terror of the other shoe dropping, can't relate to other rich people, is appalled by their kids, and resents how rich people break the rules with impunity." 
Your professional equity as a doctor may mitigate some of the terror, but does the rest resonate with you? If so, you're still pretty working class. You're just a working class person with money. 

Definitely have the mindset. I had a partner that was collecting 110k a month and when Rita hit he had to take a bridge loan to cover his personal nut for 4 months. 2 ex wives, a couple grown kids, new wife 30 years younger and toddler will do that I guess lol

oh and the single engine turbo prop and 40 foot offshore fishing boat don’t help

 

interesting what you say about other people’s kids. We are in a neighborhood that is solidly upper middle class. when we moved in, a lot of older parents who had kids late. Mostly great peer group in the local elementary whose parents we liked but the kids from a couple other feeder schools when they hit MS and HS holy shit. 
 

Now million dollar houses are tear downs, monstrosities are going up as spec houses for 3.5-4.5M and selling. Neighborhood is full of middle schoolers riding wheelies down the street on electric dirt bikes or careening around on golf carts

 

get off my lawn

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