Brexit shenanigans

[yaqdum 182]

3 hours ago, bolverk said:

I share your Schadenfreude and disdain for the arrogance of the Brits and, yeah, it'd be hilarious to watch them circle round the drain pipe. Only, I keep coming back to the damage a no-deal Brexit would reap on the world's economy and stability. Plus, I know there are quite many who'd prefer not to see the conclusion of the Empire be their return to a minor European province which would force Scots to man Hadrian's Wall for once.

most of hadrian's wall is in england.  but there is a little bit remaining of a wall from roman times up about glasgow to the river forth.  scotland could hunker down behind it while waiting for the emergencies act to divert enough cash from necessary functions to build a new wall down south.

[David Dennison 18487]

It is going to suck when the Troubles start up again because of this.

[Fudge Nuggets 19111]

7 minutes ago, yaqdum said:

most of hadrian's wall is in england.  but there is a little bit remaining of a wall from roman times up about glasgow to the river forth.  scotland could hunker down behind it while waiting for the emergencies act to divert enough cash from necessary functions to build a new wall down south.

It would be fitting if said wall cut right across the 14th green on Trump’s stupid golf course.

[Pig Bellmont 8664]

[Lagunamadre 1975]

1 hour ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

It would be fitting if said wall cut right across the 14th green on Trump’s stupid golf course.

Send his ass an eminent domain letter.  

[High Plains Drifter 10961]

4 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Agreed. But when you're on the Titanic, and the crew insists on heading right for that fucking iceberg, the smart move is to get in a lifeboat and GTFO.  Scotland should GTFO.  Northern Ireland might, too.

England is entitled to shoot itself in the dick.  Scotland and Northern Ireland are entitled to say '''united' kingdom my ass -- see ya later."

If N. Ireland does GTFO, what are the chances they re-unite with Ireland? Anybody?

 

 

 

And for what its worth, I met a guy a few years back. We were introduced, and I could tell from his accent he was Irish. I asked him what part of Ireland he was from, and he said "Belfast". I said, "Oh, Northern Ireland, then."

He confessed that he was surprised that I knew the difference. According to him, 19 out of 20 Americans don't know the difference.

[elfenix 34161]

2 hours ago, Pig Bellmont said:

see also: texum sec university's relationship with the university of texas.

[yaqdum 182]

3 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

It would be fitting if said wall cut right across the 14th green on Trump’s stupid golf course.

i hadn't considered that.  yes, indeed, and build there first.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23355]

[Lagunamadre 1975]

2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

This one is probably not going up on her office wall. 

[David Dennison 18487]

26 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Fuggin sweet Joy Division reference.

[hpslugga 4026]

2 hours ago, High Plains Drifter said:

If N. Ireland does GTFO, what are the chances they re-unite with Ireland? Anybody?

I'd like to think it's pretty strong given their preference for a post-Troubles arrangement over a Troubles arrangement. In the end it depends on what the Good Friday Agreement means to both sides, and if it means that much to them, they'll do whatever it takes to maintain it even if that means telling England to fuck itself.

Edited March 13, 2019 by hpslugga

[David Dennison 18487]

3 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

I'd like to think it's pretty strong given their preference for a post-Troubles arrangement over a Troubles arrangement. In the end it depends on what the Good Friday Agreement means to both sides, and if it means that much to them, they'll do whatever it takes to maintain it even if that means telling England to fuck itself.

I cannot fathom Northern Ireland leaving the UK without major violence.

[yaqdum 182]

3 hours ago, High Plains Drifter said:

If N. Ireland does GTFO, what are the chances they re-unite with Ireland? Anybody?

likelier we team up with the ags to make a super school.

[Brisketexan 104226]

Watching the updates of parliamentary action in real-time....and holy shit.  Right now, the UK is functionally ungoverned and ungovernable.  They can't figure out if/how they would want an extension.  They can't agree on whether to hold another referendum.  They can't agree on what to do with an extension even if they could agree on one.  The UK is a ship completely adrift, with no power or steering.

Watching a nation state self-destruct is FASCINATING.  Or, it would be if it wasn't our greatest ally, if I didn't have a great many friends who depend on its stability, etc.

This whole process really does remind me of a scene I saw in the Eastern Airlines collapse -- striking workers celebrating when the airline filed for bankruptcy, cheering "we did it!  We broke the airline!"  And then they didn't have any jobs at all.  What a great victory.

This week's Economist cover is spot-on:

[FondrenRoad 4378]

20 hours ago, hpslugga said:

I'd like to think it's pretty strong given their preference for a post-Troubles arrangement over a Troubles arrangement. In the end it depends on what the Good Friday Agreement means to both sides, and if it means that much to them, they'll do whatever it takes to maintain it even if that means telling England to fuck itself.

 

20 hours ago, David Dennison said:

I cannot fathom Northern Ireland leaving the UK without major violence.

I could see it happening relatively peacefully if Northern Ireland leaves the UK to join the EU as its own entity, but not if it attempts to merge with the Republic of Ireland.  The people I've met from Northern Ireland are no fans of England or of ROI.  And without a devolved gov't like the UK offers, ROI's much larger population would pretty much make all the decisions if a merger occurred which would almost certainly lead to violence.  

Of course, an independent NI would have to sweat out the standard EU application and admission process.

 

Edited March 14, 2019 by FondrenRoad

[Bama Chick 28596]

Perfect.

[bolverk 29261]

[Biff Tannen 45439]

Seems like a great idea.  Just re-vote you fucking limeys.

[GopherRock 1765]

If May's plan was to grind down opposition in the Commons via a war of attrition, John Bercow threw cold water on that plan this morning. 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/18/brexit-john-bercow-rules-out-third-meaningful-vote-on-same-deal

[elfenix 34161]

i can't figure out how corbyn still has his job.  he's brexiter in leadership of a party of remainers.

[Brisketexan 104226]

i can't figure out how corbyn still has his job.  he's brexiter in leadership of a party of remainers.

Because nobody wants ANY leadership role right now. Every sane person knows that the UK is on a speeding runny shit train to splatsville, and nobody wants to take over for the current conductors, because who wants to be responsible for the epic crash in splatsville? The UK is headed for self destruction, and its led by hundreds of people who refuse to take any responsibility.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23355]

Sounds familiar 

[elfenix 34161]

 

 

 

Because nobody wants ANY leadership role right now. Every sane person knows that the UK is on a speeding runny shit train to splatsville, and nobody wants to take over for the current conductors, because who wants to be responsible for the epic crash in splatsville? The UK is headed for self destruction, and its led by hundreds of people who refuse to take any responsibility.

 

That logic works for May, but I don't think it works for Corbyn. There's no downside to being opposition leader when the majority has shit the bed so thoroughly. Labour should be hammering on the mess the Torries have made completely on their own. But it's all half-hearted because they've got MP Moonbeam, the eurosceptic with delusions about British socialism running the show.

 

[RomaVicta 29704]

An Active Measures victory. The weird part is that it's no secret that the Russians influenced this, but nobody does anything. 

At least some of us are doing something about here. We may fail to save the republic, but we're doing something.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23355]

Just now, RomaVicta said:

An Active Measures victory. The weird part is that it's no secret that the Russians influenced this, but nobody does anything. 

At least some of us are doing something about here. We may fail to save the republic, but we're doing something.

Their parliamentary investigations into Cambridge Analytica and Facebook were better because it was more transparent and open to the public.  Their officials ask much better questions than the clowns we have.  Their journalists did a good job too. 

They do need their own Mueller investigation because Brexit and the 2016 election are basically the same crime. 

[retread 2951]

53 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Because nobody wants ANY leadership role right now. 

31 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Sounds familiar 

The similarities b/w us and them are amazing to watch. We have a non-functioning govt that has ground to a complete stop to watch the orange toddler throw shit on the walls. The Russians hacked and continue to hack into our democratic institutions and our infrastructure, and no one says a word.

 

Edited March 20, 2019 by retread

[RomaVicta 29704]

7 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Their parliamentary investigations into Cambridge Analytica and Facebook were better because it was more transparent and open to the public.  Their officials ask much better questions than the clowns we have.  Their journalists did a good job too. 

I guess it's nice to have that playing on the radio while the cat is driving the car over a cliff.

Edited March 20, 2019 by RomaVicta

[FondrenRoad 4378]

8 minutes ago, retread said:

The similarities b/w us and them are amazing to watch. We have a non-functioning govt that has ground to a complete stop to watch the orange toddler throw shit on the walls. The Russians hacked and continue to hack into our democratic institutions and our infrastructure, and no one says a word.

 

Even easier to do it to us. You only need to get a minority of voters to take the Senate and the Presidency. And given the way our population is structured, you can do the whole thing via old people Facebook targeting. In the UK, they need a majority so they have to make an extra effort to turn younger voters.  And the Tories, as bad as they are, aren't completely complicit. The GOP are traitors who not only turn a blind eye toward hacking, they open the door for it. 

Edited March 20, 2019 by FondrenRoad

[HenryJames 65848]

 

[yaqdum 182]

14 hours ago, FondrenRoad said:

The GOP are traitors who not only turn a blind eye toward hacking, they open the door for it. 

and they've been fervently searching for that door knob for generations.  hoo new they only had to look east of prussia.

[David Dennison 18487]

EU to UK: No extension unless you pass a deal.

Burn.

[FondrenRoad 4378]

Just now, David Dennison said:

EU to UK: No extension unless you pass a deal.

Burn.

Oopsie.

[Brisketexan 104226]

2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

EU to UK: No extension unless you pass a deal.

Burn.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/20/pathetic-incoherent-chaotic-europes-verdict-on-brexit-shambles

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UK’s reputation for diplomacy, pragmatism and self-restraint has all but gone, say politicians and officials across EU

Seriously.  We're watching a once-proud country behave like a belligerent, drunken ass, shitting his pants and wrecking his room as he yells random buzz words, and blaming everyone around him for it, as they stand in the doorway watching him and shaking their heads.  And they are getting ready to slam the door and lock it so they don't have to deal with his drunken assholery any longer.  Sure, they're going to have to figure out how to cover his share of the rent, reconcile themselves with the fact that they're going to lose their damage deposit, etc....but this is on him.

[HenryJames 65848]

18 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/20/pathetic-incoherent-chaotic-europes-verdict-on-brexit-shambles

Seriously.  We're watching a once-proud country behave like a belligerent, drunken ass, shitting his pants and wrecking his room as he yells random buzz words, and blaming everyone around him for it, as they stand in the doorway watching him and shaking their heads.

England is also embarrassing herself.

[Brisketexan 104226]

2 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

England is also embarrassing herself.

Goddamn.  Well-done.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23355]

Trump Jr. said the Brexit process should be over by now and that May erred by not taking his father’s advice on how to sever ties. May has said that Trump advised her to sue the E.U. rather than enter into what became protracted negotiations.

 

 

Edited March 21, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Biff Tannen 45439]

2 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Trump Jr. said the Brexit process should be over by now and that May erred by not taking his father’s advice on how to sever ties. May has said that Trump advised her to sue the E.U. rather than enter into what became protracted negotiations.

 

 

Well that is fucking insane.  

[Js1 84995]

If they'd like to go run Britain, we'll let both of them leave.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23355]

Why should Russia send their delegation to Britain when Don Jr and Bolton have their interests covered? 

[FondrenRoad 4378]

2 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Trump Jr. said the Brexit process should be over by now and that May erred by not taking his father’s advice on how to sever ties. May has said that Trump advised her to sue the E.U. rather than enter into what became protracted negotiations.

 

 

Sue the EU in what court exactly?  ECJ?  ICJ? I'm sure that would work out well for the UK. 

[Brisketexan 104226]

Sue the EU in what court exactly?  ECJ?  ICJ? I'm sure that would work out well for the UK. 

State court in Dicklick, Alabama.

[Fudge Nuggets 19111]

On 3/20/2019 at 1:06 AM, RomaVicta said:

At least some of us are doing something about here. We may fail to save the republic, but we're doing something.

Such as?  Because it seems not a whole fuck of a lot is happening, especially when it comes to securing future elections.

[WhatTheBuck 28696]

45 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Well that is fucking insane.  

The Russian collusion is ongoing. 

[RomaVicta 29704]

15 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Such as?  Because it seems not a whole fuck of a lot is happening, especially when it comes to securing future elections.

"Something" is a low bar that I do point out may not save the republic, but we've done things such as:

Vote the party in power out of the House.

Criminally prosecute Russians involved.

Direct law enforcement et al to investigate the ways manipulation was used which will likely lead to new laws. 

Pressure internet platform companies to police themselves.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23355]

What should happen?  What should be done? 

The individual states have more responsibility to secure elections.  

I would not want the Trump Administration touching our election infrastructure.  Trump did float the idea of working with Putin to secure our elections.  Anyone think that’s a good idea?  

[hpslugga 4026]

1 hour ago, FondrenRoad said:

Sue the EU in what court exactly?  ECJ?  ICJ? I'm sure that would work out well for the UK. 

Again, Trump thought it a good move to sue a comedian for money that he “owed” him for what basically amounted to a parody. He does not know, as the comedian put it, what a joke is and/or what a contract is. Any legal “advice” offered from him or his administration should be reacted to by nothing more than a scoff...well maybe a chortle as well. 

[elfenix 34161]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/britain-pleads-for-brexit-delay-as-crucial-european-summit-gets-underway/2019/03/21/824d7a4c-4b4c-11e9-8cfc-2c5d0999c21e_story.html?utm_term=.bfacb127b262

EU to UK:

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[Fudge Nuggets 19111]

13 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

What should happen?  What should be done? 

The individual states have more responsibility to secure elections.  

I would not want the Trump Administration touching our election infrastructure.  Trump did float the idea of working with Putin to secure our elections.  Anyone think that’s a good idea?  

I guess we should give up and not worry about it.

What should happen?  Some mother fuckers better start swinging from gallows, that’s what should happen.

[Zonahorn 8072]

Been following him since the beginning of Brexit, this take seems spot on.