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People are going to be annoyed by everything going forward if they keep using Andor as the standard when Star Wars has been more like Ahsoka than Andor for most of its existence.

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15 minutes ago, Viper said:

Watching Andor makes you realize how much Ahsoka was missing. I think Filoni needs more help as a director. 

 

 

Filoni has always been a storyteller more than anything...it's why he's the spiritual successor to Lucas. Lucas basically handed it to him in Clone Wars and that's why certain characters get better treatment than others. And I'm glad he did.

But he does need a Director to focus things...that's clear.

1 minute ago, mdmost said:

People are going to be annoyed by everything going forward if they keep using Andor as the standard when Star Wars has been more like Ahsoka than Andor for most of its existence.

Exactly.  Andor is great. But I can see some thinking it's a little too much of one thing when star wars isn't quite always that(and I wish it were a bit more like that honestly)

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9 hours ago, Drew said:

Filoni has always been a storyteller more than anything...it's why he's the spiritual successor to Lucas. Lucas basically handed it to him in Clone Wars and that's why certain characters get better treatment than others. And I'm glad he did.

But he does need a Director to focus things...that's clear.

Exactly.  Andor is great. But I can see some thinking it's a little too much of one thing when star wars isn't quite always that(and I wish it were a bit more like that honestly)

Yep, Filoni can craft great stories. Clone Wars and Rebels have poor animation and worse dialog, but are almost universally loved by the folks who spend the time to watch them because the stories they weave are done so well. 

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9 hours ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

Yep, Filoni can craft great stories. Clone Wars and Rebels have poor animation and worse dialog, but are almost universally loved by the folks who spend the time to watch them because the stories they weave are done so well. 

The early seasons have rough animation, but those shows have some of the best visuals and moments of grandness. The whole nebula chase in the 2nd season is gorgeous 

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On 6/28/2025 at 10:09 AM, mdmost said:

People are going to be annoyed by everything going forward if they keep using Andor as the standard when Star Wars has been more like Ahsoka than Andor for most of its existence.

Too late, I am way past being annoyed by everything, we need to put feets to the fire for people to create great television, and yes pointing to Andor should be the best way to do it.

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Good luck with that. You're getting more Mandalorian and Ahsoka from Lucasfilm. Maybe the James Mangold dawn of the Jedi movie will be what you want. Maybe the Shawn Levy Ryan Gosling movie will have some of that but I doubt it. Lucasfilm is done with TV after Ahsoka season 2. Best you can hope for is animated series on Disney+ but that's Filoni's domain. 

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1 hour ago, mdmost said:

Good luck with that. You're getting more Mandalorian and Ahsoka from Lucasfilm. Maybe the James Mangold dawn of the Jedi movie will be what you want. Maybe the Shawn Levy Ryan Gosling movie will have some of that but I doubt it. Lucasfilm is done with TV after Ahsoka season 2. Best you can hope for is animated series on Disney+ but that's Filoni's domain. 

And honestly as it should be...TV should be for animation. Let Filoni cook there...

Bring me Star Wars movies every couple years, not over saturated like Marvel.

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I still don't get it

I would demand that they ban all movies if it meant all TV shows were like Andor, not just Star Wars.

Of course it is an irrelevant wish, at the end of the day the auteur is the only sure fire way to guarantee quality, money helps of course and Disney will not open up the pocket book for just anyone anymore. But yeah I will sure as hell hope they have quality and writing in mind first and foremost before they tackle new movies, The memberberry era was put down quickly by South Park. Andor buried it.

 

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I disagree about the memberberry era being put down. The highest rated TV show in the Disney+ era was Luke returning in season 2 of Mandalorian. The reason The Force Awakens did well was because it was almost a carbon copy of the original. People want the familiar with Star Wars. For all of us that enjoyed Andor, it still wasn't that popular with the fandom. It really wasn't a show for people who love laser swords and mystical things with the Force. I'd argue that bringing Luke into season 2 was probably the worst thing Filoni did because it pushed Mando to the background and altered the story too much. I think it's why Gilroy had no desire to bring any Force beings into Andor. He knows that it's like K2, they immediately become the story because they are instantly the biggest thing ever. 

Disney wants Star Wars to go back to the cinema because that's where the money is. Yes, they need better scripts and stories but it's hard to argue with the billions the sequel trilogy and Rogue One made. That's why Mandalorian is going to the cinema. The problem is has Disney watered down the brand too much with Disney+? We may be seeing that with the MCU. The two biggest post Endgame movies were continuations of existing stories, in Guardians 3 and Deadpool 3. The future of Star Wars isn't in Gilory's hands, it's in Filoni's. That's not going down the Andor path. The next animated series isn't trying something new, it's going back to the Darth Maul well again. I'll watch but it's not exactly treading new territory. 

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I disagree, on pure TV like ratings Andor is around the top show this season, you can't compare numbers watched because of ebbs and flows of subscritions, and it is also being put down because it was 3 episodes a night, but Andor was #1 in Nielsen ratings for the finale.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/streaming-ratings-may-12-18-2025-1236263981/

At the end of the day only Disney knows if it was worth it.

Then there are piracy numbers

 

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The streaming era really is a difficult thing to quantify and compare over periods.

Side note, what doe the "memberberry era" mean?  I vaguely remember the South Park episode, and I googled it quickly, but didn't get the relationship to Star Wars.

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The numbers for Mando are double and triple that of Andor. Maybe that was the highlight of Disney+ but the subscription numbers are still high for it. The Star Wars TV show returns are trending downward since season 3 of Mando. Lucasfilm is done with TV after Ahsoka season 2.  There's just no profit in it. You just have to enjoy the special unicorn we got that is unlike most Star Wars fare. We won't see its like ever again. 

linux, you want it to be one way

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1 hour ago, Hellraiser97 said:

The streaming era really is a difficult thing to quantify and compare over periods.

Side note, what doe the "memberberry era" mean?  I vaguely remember the South Park episode, and I googled it quickly, but didn't get the relationship to Star Wars.

TFA until recently, TFA was widely praised on release but I came out of the theater angry I got sold essentially the same product.

Gilroy has made an open case against memberberries, directly telling modern writers that the Star Wars toybox is not something they should abuse, I hope they learn.

1 hour ago, mdmost said:

The numbers for Mando are double and triple that of Andor. Maybe that was the highlight of Disney+ but the subscription numbers are still high for it. The Star Wars TV show returns are trending downward since season 3 of Mando. Lucasfilm is done with TV after Ahsoka season 2.  There's just no profit in it. You just have to enjoy the special unicorn we got that is unlike most Star Wars fare. We won't see its like ever again. 

linux, you want it to be one way

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It was #1 in ratings for the week of release, its complicated because they are tracking minutes watched and they were 3 episodes but not everyone watched them in one sitting either, its definitely complicated but good data still.

Again Andor was by far the most torrented show over the past few years, its finale peaked at 110k concurrent, Shows like House of the Dragon was 100k, Severance is at round 75k, even if you keep it to Star Wars Ahsoka was like 30k and Acolyte was 20k and Strange New Worlds 20k

https://televisionstats.com/

Very interesting tracking tool. Even with piracy Disney doesn't regret getting the most hotly desired property, had the trends held, they could have gotten away with putting it in ABC.

Honestly it was on a fast track to mirror Breaking Bad, it was slow ratings at first, but by the time Last season rolled around it was the biggest thing on TV. To do that in two seasons is impressive.

 

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12 minutes ago, linux said:

TFA until recently, TFA was widely praised on release but I came out of the theater angry I got sold essentially the same product.

Gilroy has made an open case against memberberries, directly telling modern writers that the Star Wars toybox is not something they should abuse, I hope they learn.

 

Thanks for the explanation!  I enjoyed TFA, but I quickly realized it was a total rehash of ANH.  My brother absolutely loved it and we had many debates about whether they should have done somethng original.

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