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Just now, Nivek said:

They also forgot how fucking awful we have been in the QB position throughout the past 10+ years.  The only school fucking up the QB spot worse than us was aggy, because they had talented guys and couldn't keep them.  

 

vy / colt were the ut golden years in my lifetime (honorable mention to soul brother #1, james brown). so they've had a looooooot qb misses 

 

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So let’s check in on some of the QBs selected before Quinn. Did some googling to see how everyone else is doing.

Ward - doesn’t matter he was first overall and will start. Titans will ride or die with him.

Dart - has been inconsistent and is behind Russ. They didn’t take him in the first round to ride pine so he needs to get his shit together. Has been better lately but looks like the G-men will let Russ cook (and give them food poisoning) to start the year.

Shough - has been terrible. Had some moments today but the Aints are thinking about trading for Trey Lance. I’m not kidding. He’s been running out of bounds taking sacks instead of throwing the ball away. In shorts.

Keep in mind these three were selected where they were to compete for the starting jobs. 

Others:

Milroe - haven’t seen much but the reports are what you’d expect - great arm, fast, questionable decisions.

Gabriel - not doing well. Sheduer had a boo boo today so he got extra reps and sucked. I think Sheduer beats him out. 

Sheduer - just go to ESPN. He’s done well but against mostly 3rd teamers, but has apparently done better than Gabriel when given his chance.

Will fucking Howard - believe it or not, he’s been looking good for the Stillers. Had some growing pains like Quinn but has been consistent.

Anyway if anyone has better info than this by all means share.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Nivek said:

They also forgot how fucking awful we have been in the QB position throughout the past 10+ years.  The only school fucking up the QB spot worse than us was aggy, because they had talented guys and couldn't keep them.  

 

3 hours ago, William Bludworth said:

I mean, I'm not a Ewers pom pom cheerleader, but he did help us make the semis two years in a row. That's all I've got. Imagine if we had Hudson Card instead...

This is the kinda stuff that gets me fired up.  It also confuses me a bit.

I am for defending a guy as I’ve done many a time here.  But it’s not often at the expense of others.

Sam and Beuchele both got NFL roster time.  I critiqued Casey Thompsons near 400 yard, 5 TD performance versus OU.  Last I recall he had 3 of the top 10 single game TD pass games.  Card led some end of game go ahead or game tying drives only to have others falter.  M. Murphy was 3-0 in games he finished.  A few of these guys were under the tutelage of Tom Herman’s choosing.  

In substitution of Ewers the past 3 years, those guys replicated the win percentage.  Those guys also went elsewhere and didn’t replicate their numbers or win percentages.  It’s almost like all the variables matter.

If you want to imagine these other QBs, you need to imagine them with a stable offensive system with the same coaching staff with first round pass catchers and highly draftable secondary receivers, a more mature offensive line and a top 10 defense every damn year.  I mean I’d kinda prefer a Jake Majors in his 4th year in the system versus Jake Majors in his 1st year in the system.  Or a Christian Jones in his 2nd year at RT (3rd year in system) versus year 1 at LT (1st year in system).

But that’s hard to do cause if you were 125 years old, you’ve only seen that shit the last two years at the University of Texas.

Now with respect to Ewers today, he’s got his NFL prospects all in front of him.  I believe Sark and crew prepared him better than most QBs are prepared.  He can succeed. I’ve commented on two throws with him on the Dolphins - one was likely piss poor DB play whereas the other was one that is really limited company as far as the number of QBs can do that.

Much of QBing is being in the right place at the right time.  Ewers was.  None of the others were.  The environment and surrounding pieces were so different it’s not even comparable.

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8 hours ago, Had Enough said:

 

This is the kinda stuff that gets me fired up.  It also confuses me a bit.

I am for defending a guy as I’ve done many a time here.  But it’s not often at the expense of others.

Sam and Beuchele both got NFL roster time.  I critiqued Casey Thompsons near 400 yard, 5 TD performance versus OU.  Last I recall he had 3 of the top 10 single game TD pass games.  Card led some end of game go ahead or game tying drives only to have others falter.  M. Murphy was 3-0 in games he finished.  A few of these guys were under the tutelage of Tom Herman’s choosing.  

In substitution of Ewers the past 3 years, those guys replicated the win percentage.  Those guys also went elsewhere and didn’t replicate their numbers or win percentages.  It’s almost like all the variables matter.

If you want to imagine these other QBs, you need to imagine them with a stable offensive system with the same coaching staff with first round pass catchers and highly draftable secondary receivers, a more mature offensive line and a top 10 defense every damn year.  I mean I’d kinda prefer a Jake Majors in his 4th year in the system versus Jake Majors in his 1st year in the system.  Or a Christian Jones in his 2nd year at RT (3rd year in system) versus year 1 at LT (1st year in system).

But that’s hard to do cause if you were 125 years old, you’ve only seen that shit the last two years at the University of Texas.

Now with respect to Ewers today, he’s got his NFL prospects all in front of him.  I believe Sark and crew prepared him better than most QBs are prepared.  He can succeed. I’ve commented on two throws with him on the Dolphins - one was likely piss poor DB play whereas the other was one that is really limited company as far as the number of QBs can do that.

Much of QBing is being in the right place at the right time.  Ewers was.  None of the others were.  The environment and surrounding pieces were so different it’s not even comparable.

This sort of nuanced respectful take has no place here you piece of shit

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Posted
11 hours ago, Sgt Hulk said:

Fuck it I want Quinn to start the first preseason game and go 10-14 210 yds 3 tds 

 

10 hours ago, markstanco said:

Very specific.

Probably a Sam Ehlinger colts preseason joke. 

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1 hour ago, immamac said:

 

Probably a Sam Ehlinger colts preseason joke. 

Apparently he’s killing it in Broncos camp right now too. Sark would have gotten him drafted in the first two rounds smh.

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Just now, Nope said:

Apparently he’s killing it in Broncos camp right now too. Sark would have gotten him drafted in the first two rounds smh.

Sam is actually a good QB - he will be fine for a while on rosters. 

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1 minute ago, immamac said:

Sam is actually a good QB - he will be fine for a while on rosters. 

Agreed, it would have just been cool to see him drafted by a team who actually needed him to play year 1 (or any year for that matter)

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19 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

It’s reality. 

What should he have done that he didn't?

Big 12 title.

SEC runner up.

2 NC Semi finals.

What I will say is he performed and could have achieved more if healthy. He didn't underperform.

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4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

So, another very good college QB.  Good talk.

We can all wish he is the modern. Chance mock played a little bit but it was really Simms -> Vince so id take that. Lol

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What should he have done that he didn't?
Big 12 title.
SEC runner up.
2 NC Semi finals.
What I will say is he performed and could have achieved more if healthy. He didn't underperform.

He did well enough to earn his draft spot.
Posted
21 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Elite conference! Should have won regardless of Quinn

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Damn it’s like 2010-2022 never happened 

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Posted (edited)
5 minutes ago, B00M said:

Damn it’s like 2010-2022 never happened 

Just because he was better than QBs during that time frame and our teams were infinitely less talented doesn’t mean it was because of him. Quinn was an above average to good QB for us, nothing more nothing less. He didn’t elevate the team 

 

Maalik Murphy was 2-0 that season including beating Kansas St. 

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51 minutes ago, immamac said:

We can all wish he is the modern. Chance mock Maalik Murphy played a little bit but it was really Simms  Quinn -> Arch Vince so id take that. Lol

 

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22 hours ago, Hank_Hill said:

Thompson and Card absolutely do not replicate the win percentage 

I’ll clarify that statement.  In the past 3 years with Quinn as the starter, his replacements when called upon to start have replicated his win percentage.  Two of those three (not including Manning of course) could not do that at their other programs even with the additional maturity.

And , if I’m not mistaken, the one loss was a game on the road, in which our best player fumbled the ball in OT.  A game in which we scored as many points as any loss in the past 3 years.

14 hours ago, B00M said:

This sort of nuanced respectful take has no place here you piece of shit

Its time to move on from the occasional bitching on the baseball board back to the football board.

 

9 hours ago, sith_horn said:

User ID checks out 😄

Tom Herman was the inspiration.

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8 hours ago, Had Enough said:

I’ll clarify that statement.  In the past 3 years with Quinn as the starter, his replacements when called upon to start have replicated his win percentage.  Two of those three (not including Manning of course) could not do that at their other programs even with the additional maturity.

And , if I’m not mistaken, the one loss was a game on the road, in which our best player fumbled the ball in OT.  A game in which we scored as many points as any loss in the past 3 years.

Its time to move on from the occasional bitching on the baseball board back to the football board.

 

Tom Herman was the inspiration.

Quinn was contributor to Texas's success the last 3 years. He was not the main reason. The NFL draft was evidence of that. Maalik never lost at Texas, because he was surrounded by NFL talent. He lost at Duke, because he was surrounded by mediocre talent. QB is the only position on the field that people pretend team success is a barometer for individual play. The defense led Texas to the playoffs the last 2 years, but nobody is going to say Sorrell is a legend based on that

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35 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Quinn was contributor to Texas's success the last 3 years. He was not the main reason. The NFL draft was evidence of that. Maalik never lost at Texas, because he was surrounded by NFL talent. He lost at Duke, because he was surrounded by mediocre talent. QB is the only position on the field that people pretend team success is a barometer for individual play. The defense led Texas to the playoffs the last 2 years, but nobody is going to say Sorrell is a legend based on that

He didn't lose much at Duke. 

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40 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

The defense led Texas to the playoffs the last 2 years, but nobody is going to say Sorrell is a legend based on that

When you look at the chart above, the Texas defense gave up fewer points in FOURTEEN  (14) games, than EIGHT of the Big 12 teams gave up in NINE (9) games. I presume that is relatively acceptable.

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1 hour ago, Codaxx said:

He lost at Duke, because he was surrounded by mediocre talent. 

Going 9-3 at Duke while beating UNC, NC State, VaTech and FSU is a losing season in your estimation? 

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Posted (edited)
9 minutes ago, Josef Pwag said:

Going 9-3 at Duke while beating UNC, NC State, VaTech and FSU is a losing season in your estimation? 

I didnt say a losing record. I said he was undefeated at Texas because he was surrounded by NFL talent. He lost (games) at Duke, because he was surrounded by mediocre talent. The point was people need to stop using simple records as a barometer for QB play. Just because a team wins at a high level, it does not mean the QB played at a high level. 

By the way, we could make the same argument for Maalik. The Duke offense finished #96 in FEI and the defense #30. The Duke coaches seem to have understood my statement. 

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If a QB gets a winning record at Duke, they did their job. Maalik is not a future NFL QB, and they did bring in someone better, but to say "He lost at Duke" is wrong in every way. 

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18 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Just because he was better than QBs during that time frame and our teams were infinitely less talented doesn’t mean it was because of him. Quinn was an above average to good QB for us, nothing more nothing less. He didn’t elevate the team 

 

Maalik Murphy was 2-0 that season including beating Kansas St. 

I've said it multiple times on this thread, Ewers was an outstanding QB when he was healthy. Unfortunately, I don't think he ever was ever completely healthy after getting planted by Dallas Turner at DKR. If he was, I think that hit was in the back of his mind the entire time he played at Texas. That's the biggest knock on him -- he's not an overly big guy and he has a tendency to get injured. When/if healthy, I think he can be a NFL quarterback.

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Posted (edited)
15 minutes ago, Josef Pwag said:

If a QB gets a winning record at Duke, they did their job. Maalik is not a future NFL QB, and they did bring in someone better, but to say "He lost at Duke" is wrong in every way. 

This is exactly what I am talking about. We all know the Duke offense was the worst unit on the field for Duke. We know the offense struggled. We know the Duke coaches brought in someone to upgrade the QB position in the portal. Despite all of that, you argue he did his job. As the saying goes "Do not let the facts get in the way of truth". 

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34 minutes ago, Josef Pwag said:

Someone can be pretty good and still be improved upon. How many 9-3 Duke seasons, with victories over FSU, have you witnessed?

That is definitely it, evidence by Maalik finishing 71st in QBR, 13 turnovers in 12 games, and the high demand for him in the portal

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At the risk of stirring up this pot of shit, have we considered that Ewers supporting cast in 2024 was worse than it was in 2023? All this talk about the talent around him has me wondering. 

I think WR and RB definitely took a step back. OL probably improved, just with the same group of guys getting another year older, but losing Worthy, Mitchell, Whittington, Brooks, and Baxter could not have helped. Golden was a great replacement, but Bond disappointed and the other WR options (Wingo and Moore) were very green. No hate on Wisner either, who stepped up in a big way, but he is just not on the same level of Brooks and Baxter. 

Ewers definitely looked worse this past season, but I think some of it could be explained by the offense as a whole taking a step back. 

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Posted (edited)
9 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

At the risk of stirring up this pot of shit, have we considered that Ewers supporting cast in 2024 was worse than it was in 2023? All this talk about the talent around him has me wondering. 

I think WR and RB definitely took a step back. OL probably improved, just with the same group of guys getting another year older, but losing Worthy, Mitchell, Whittington, Brooks, and Baxter could not have helped. Golden was a great replacement, but Bond disappointed and the other WR options (Wingo and Moore) were very green. No hate on Wisner either, who stepped up in a big way, but he is just not on the same level of Brooks and Baxter. 

Ewers definitely looked worse this past season, but I think some of it could be explained by the offense as a whole taking a step back. 

OL was probably better, but that is it. The defense was light out. Big difference being the 2nd/3rd WR. Saying a QB needs to have 3 NFL WRs to be a great college QB is not a serious argument in my opinion. Its really rare for college QBs to get that luxury, unless you play QB at OSU recently. There are not a lot of QBs last year that had equal or more talent. 

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