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So I happened to see Julian Sayin's stats for the day.
I wish I hadn't.

Sayin doesn’t have an offensive line cosplaying as matadors like Brooks and Robertson. He also has a running game and better receivers to rely on.
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2 hours ago, The Ace of Aces said:

He is not throwing to WRa wide motherfucking open and when he does he has the aim of a blind, drink man.  The OL is trash but the issues rig JB this team start and end with QB1. And ours is one of the worst in college football right now 

Insanely stupid comment

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3 minutes ago, chad.ihrig said:


Sayin doesn’t have an offensive line cosplaying as matadors like Brooks and Robertson. He also has a running game and better receivers to rely on.

You should go look at the rushing stats for the week 1 game in Columbus. 

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2 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

@Thatguy

Niblet is fucking fearless and deadly. Is there any rational reason for him not playing receiver?

I know Wingo and Arch have this magical chemistry. The way Arch throws gives the ball a positive magnetic charge. Wingo gives off positive magnetic charge. Results: Chemistry!

I'll also repeat something else from earlier in the season. The team having to emotionally lift Arch instead of him doing that for the team is very bad mojo and needs to stop. Emotional fragility breeds emotional fragility.

u r wrong. Its Wingo's feet that have a negative charge. :P

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Arch Manning: Sucking never paid so well

That or Stormy Daniels

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1 hour ago, Vertuzzi said:

Respectfully, who gives a shit about his NIL. Isn’t it exclusively corporate money anyway? Sark’s job is the put together a roster that gives us the best chance to win. Arch doesn’t fit into that equation, unfortunately. If we don’t go out and get a very good, veteran QB from the portal then I will consider this a failure of roster management. The Franklin firing should be a huge wake-up call for Sark. 

Sark does, what if Arch portal and lights up somewhere else. Womp Womp. 

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1 hour ago, RomaVicta said:

1. When your eyes don't see what you want them to, switch to statistics. 

2. You cannot know that Caldwell is not better if he never plays. Your post reads as though you're fearful that Caldwell will actually play better and crush your Arch fantasy.

3. People are saying give him a chance. Starting him might actually decompress Arch. Giving Arch a quarter before trying Caldwell wouldn't be anything other than fair to do.

4. How does one obtain moron certification? Is it the same place they certify having no sense of irony?

1. My eyes see a QB that’s sped up because the OLine can’t block and WRs are rarely open, so he’s rushing. 

2. Let me be very clear, IF YOU THINK CALDWELL IS BETTER BECAUSE OF TWO PASSES, YOUR’E A FUCKIN MORON. Idgaf about “arch fantasy”. Caldwell was in the portal and didn’t even get picked up. He’s literally a stop gap QB.

3. No people aren’t saying “give him a chance”, Texas fans are pissed and do the lazy thing by putting all the blame on QB. They are wanting him to start because they think it will fix the entire offense.

4. Thinking a guy that went 13 tds and 8 INTs should start in the SEC

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2 hours ago, Derka said:

this is not true. there is a ton of harm in trying, from alienating the best qb on the roster who may not be a lost cause, to sark completely losing his reputation as a great offensive mind and a qb guru. sark is publicly telling us that he’s encouraging arch to take more of a leadership role as the qb even though arch isn’t proven yet, and you think there’s literally no downside to benching that guy? 

this whole operation, which is years in the works, is based around arch manning being the guy, not just for today, but for next year as well. we are not going to scrap that after 7 games of his first year as a starter, and if you don’t understand the myriad of ways in which our qb guru head coach giving up on the guy he’s built his entire program around after 7 games could turn out to be a bad thing then i don’t know what to tell you.

ill just say this: imagine if we did bench arch after 7 whole games as the starter on some jeff fisher/VY shit. imagine that Arch gets replaced, his backup does no better than he did, the team is no better off for it, and next year dia bell is competing with some transfer from Bumfuck State while Arch goes and gets developed at ole miss, or oregon or somewhere else that’s not here. “literally nothing bad could happen from benching him.” sports fans are so short sighted.

We will portal a proven guy then.  Welcome to the portal era.

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5 minutes ago, oldalum said:

Sark does, what if Arch portal and lights up somewhere else. Womp Womp. 

Ok, and what evidence supports this fear? We will never know the unknown but we do know he hasn’t performed well at Texas. 

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2 minutes ago, Vertuzzi said:

Ok, and what evidence supports this fear? We will never know the unknown but we do know he hasn’t performed well at Texas. 

its not my fear, I am just trying to think from Sarks perspective. it will put the guru in stark contrast that it was always him.  I think Arch has benefitted a whole lot from his last name. Maybe a 3 star if not manning and all the discussions about him being from a small private school. 

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Maybe Arch should call these guys?  I remember when Josh Allen showed up with a tendency to rocket the ball all over the field.  

 

Josh Allen improved his accuracy by rebuilding his throwing motion with the help of biomechanical experts and private coaches like Chris Hess and Jordan Palmer. This high-tech approach involved digital mapping of his mechanics, which identified flaws in his initial all-arm-strength technique and led to permanent adjustments that increased efficiency and completion percentage. 
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1 hour ago, A’Dam Psycho said:

Let me be very clear, IF YOU THINK CALDWELL IS BETTER BECAUSE OF TWO PASSES, YOUR’E A FUCKIN MORON

Yes. You're being very clear. You're a parrot who thinks by repeating his declaration it becomes more correct with each squawk.

A last time before you return to your little swing in your cage, the argument is that we should give him a shot. Arch sets a very low bar for being exceeded. Maybe Caldwell can do that.

I'm sure you're persuaded. I look forward to your repeat about who is the moron here.

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1 hour ago, Surly Bevo said:

Maybe Arch should call these guys?  I remember when Josh Allen showed up with a tendency to rocket the ball all over the field.  

 

Josh Allen improved his accuracy by rebuilding his throwing motion with the help of biomechanical experts and private coaches like Chris Hess and Jordan Palmer. This high-tech approach involved digital mapping of his mechanics, which identified flaws in his initial all-arm-strength technique and led to permanent adjustments that increased efficiency and completion percentage. 

No offense to you personally, but I'm so sick of people bringing up mechanics when any QB fails. I'm not denying the importance of proper throwing motion, but just the use of that as a catchall for QB problems.

Mechanics does do much for a QB who can't complete a simple pass to a wide-open receiver. It doesn't do much for a QB struggling to know where to look. It doesn't do much for a QB that is late to launch. I don't know that it counts as part of footwork, but if not, it won't cure that problem either.

If the QB needs to get the ball out of his hand more efficiently after making a read, sure. If a QB needs more zip or tighter accuracy, sure.

I don't think it's the place to start with a QB who fails at the things I name. If a QB has already shown he can throw, and fails at the things I name, the problem is surely not mechanics.

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10 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Did I post this already? Not sure. Too lazy to look.

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Caldwell:

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Never thought I would see Sam Jackson IV play at a level near Arch and Dylan Raiola.  

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The Arch/Caldwell debate is reasonable. The guy spent his career with players who we look down on. Even from what little we've seen of him, he's hitting OUR WRs (you know, the top 200 ones) efficiently. Maybe all he needs is actual good players to succeed. Trinidad Chambliss went from Ferris State to looking elite. Sometimes having better players is the answer. Just using Occam's Razor, nothing more. 

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the people who think that we should bench arch so that we can possibly win more games right now a)don’t seem to be picking up on how sark operates, b)making a wild assumption that any of our backups would be more effective, and c)are not realizing what it would mean to bench arch.

sark isn’t out here like, “oh shit i need to win right now, my seat is hot, better bench (see: alienate and send to the portal) the one guy i’ve built this entire program around!”. benching arch would mean that sark is admitting complete failure when it comes to his ability to coach up “the greatest qb prospect ever”, and that’s not how sark (or any coach) works.

arch is *the* focal point for this organization (as it were). the entire plan revolves around arch being the guy, and i’m sorry, but you don’t know shit shout coaches if you think they’re likely to just give up on “their guy” after seven games because it’s not going well. and to do so in this case would be blowing up the whole thing and starting from scratch. you think sark wants to give up on arch for the rest of this year and go into next year with more uncertainty than ever? stop thinking that this is about winning games today and start realizing that this is about sark seeing his plan to fruition, a plan which squarely revolves around arch manning.

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I’m fascinated by the contrast in situations between Kiffin at Ole Miss and his QB, vs Sark and Arch.  

Every play, Kiffin right before the snap tells the QB where to go with the ball. If the defense doesn’t completely disguise its coverage, presumably the play has a high chance of success. Ole Miss is scoring points. 

However, to win a title your QB needs to be able to read coverages, because sooner or later you will run into well disguised defenses. I don’t know why Smart did so poorly at it yesterday. 

 

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the people who think that we should bench arch so that we can possibly win more games right now a)don’t seem to be picking up on how sark operates, b)making a wild assumption that any of our backups would be more effective, and c)are not realizing what it would mean to bench arch.
sark isn’t out here like, “oh shit i need to win right now, my seat is hot, better bench (see: alienate and send to the portal) the one guy i’ve built this entire program around!”. benching arch would mean that sark is admitting complete failure when it comes to his ability to coach up “the greatest qb prospect ever”, and that’s not how sark (or any coach) works.
arch is *the* focal point for this organization (as it were). the entire plan revolves around arch being the guy, and i’m sorry, but you don’t know shit shout coaches if you think they’re likely to just give up on “their guy” after seven games because it’s not going well. and to do so in this case would be blowing up the whole thing and starting from scratch. you think sark wants to give up on arch for the rest of this year and go into next year with more uncertainty than ever? stop thinking that this is about winning games today and start realizing that this is about sark seeing his plan to fruition, a plan which squarely revolves around arch manning.

That’s why it won’t happen, not why it shouldn’t happen.
And you’re right, it won’t. But it’s more fun to argue over why it should on the internet.
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2 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Last year’s offense vs Kentucky.

 

 

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This was also with Ewers hobbling around on a sprained ankle, and Arch probably should have gone in the game.

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35 minutes ago, Derka said:

the people who think that we should bench arch so that we can possibly win more games right now a)don’t seem to be picking up on how sark operates, b)making a wild assumption that any of our backups would be more effective, and c)are not realizing what it would mean to bench arch.

sark isn’t out here like, “oh shit i need to win right now, my seat is hot, better bench (see: alienate and send to the portal) the one guy i’ve built this entire program around!”. benching arch would mean that sark is admitting complete failure when it comes to his ability to coach up “the greatest qb prospect ever”, and that’s not how sark (or any coach) works.

arch is *the* focal point for this organization (as it were). the entire plan revolves around arch being the guy, and i’m sorry, but you don’t know shit shout coaches if you think they’re likely to just give up on “their guy” after seven games because it’s not going well. and to do so in this case would be blowing up the whole thing and starting from scratch. you think sark wants to give up on arch for the rest of this year and go into next year with more uncertainty than ever? stop thinking that this is about winning games today and start realizing that this is about sark seeing his plan to fruition, a plan which squarely revolves around arch manning.

I'm not even sure if its an option for Sark. I think the money guys would have to tell him to bench Arch. Sark asked them to give $$$ to the Arch Manning show. I've heard him give an entire pitch about building around Arch. Granted, that was before Arch even made it to campus. These dudes wrote the checks because Sark said we have our guy now we need to put the pieces around him. 

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9 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

I’m fascinated by the contrast in situations between Kiffin at Ole Miss and his QB, vs Sark and Arch.  

Every play, Kiffin right before the snap tells the QB where to go with the ball. If the defense doesn’t completely disguise its coverage, presumably the play has a high chance of success. Ole Miss is scoring points. 

However, to win a title your QB needs to be able to read coverages, because sooner or later you will run into well disguised defenses. I don’t know why Smart did so poorly at it yesterday. 

 

4 and 5 wide make it difficult to disguise defenses. The defense has to get to their assignments with so many receivers on the field spread from sideline to sideline. Thats why offenses like that have such high completion percentages. 

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6 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

4 and 5 wide make it difficult to disguise defenses. The defense has to get to their assignments with so many receivers on the field spread from sideline to sideline. Thats why offenses like that have such high completion percentages. 

What’s the downside of that offense? Or in other words why is Sark running offense A while Kiffin runs offense B given they both hung out under Saban?

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5 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

And Sark will end Arch's career.  He ain't making the NFL

I’m of the belief that it’s not coaching that is wrong with arch Honestly. It’s in his head. 

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27 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

I’m fascinated by the contrast in situations between Kiffin at Ole Miss and his QB, vs Sark and Arch.  

Every play, Kiffin right before the snap tells the QB where to go with the ball. If the defense doesn’t completely disguise its coverage, presumably the play has a high chance of success. Ole Miss is scoring points. 

However, to win a title your QB needs to be able to read coverages, because sooner or later you will run into well disguised defenses. I don’t know why Smart did so poorly at it yesterday. 

 

It’s because Kiffin is a better in game coordinator. Look at his qb coach resume vs ours. 
 

 

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2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

It’s because Kiffin is a better in game coordinator. Look at his qb coach resume vs ours. 
 

 

If we ever get rid of Sark, I wouldn't mind Lane Kiffin.

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3 hours ago, A’Dam Psycho said:

Insanely stupid comment

You disagree Arch right now is one of the worst QBs on P4? Look at this week’s QB ratings. He’s basically dead last in every possible metric. He sucked shit throw a straw last night in ways we haven’t seen since Swoopes (who arguably was out of position). 

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1 minute ago, The Ace of Aces said:

You disagree Arch right now is one of the worst QBs on P4? Look at this week’s QB ratings. He’s basically dead last in every possible metric. He sucked shit throw a straw last night in ways we haven’t seen since Swoopes (who arguably was out of position). 

The comp is obviously Garrett Gilbert.

I got depressed just typing that.

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58 minutes ago, Derka said:

the people who think that we should bench arch so that we can possibly win more games right now a)don’t seem to be picking up on how sark operates, b)making a wild assumption that any of our backups would be more effective, and c)are not realizing what it would mean to bench arch.

What would it mean? That Sark could look inside of himself and be a Saban instead of a gimp? Winners want to win, regardless of how someone feels. Do you think Saban gave a fuck when benching Hurts for Tua in the NC game? Fuck no. He wanted to win. That's how you coach. Fuck feelings. Players want to play for a winner, not a coddler. 

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8 minutes ago, The Ace of Aces said:

You disagree Arch right now is one of the worst QBs on P4? Look at this week’s QB ratings. He’s basically dead last in every possible metric. He sucked shit throw a straw last night in ways we haven’t seen since Swoopes (who arguably was out of position). 

I’m ways we haven’t seen since earlier this sesson*

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3 minutes ago, William Bludworth said:

What would it mean? That Sark could look inside of himself and be a Saban instead of a gimp?

saban had tua on the bench. tua was saban’s future. everyone on our bench is there in case arch physically cannot play. arch is sark’s future. giving up on arch would mean giving up on everything sark has been building for years and starting from scratch. also, y’all don’t think we get crushed in the portal if sark gives up on arch this quickly? you don’t think we see a mass exodus of talent plus some serious negative recruiting against us? this is why coaches are coaches and fans are fans. fans always want to hit the self destruct button whenever things don’t immediately materialize the way they wanted them to.

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8 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

What’s the downside of that offense? Or in other words why is Sark running offense A while Kiffin runs offense B given they both hung out under Saban?

People like what they like and believe what they believe in. Why did the pirate like the air raid? Who knows. I think Sark sticks with his offense because kids like to play in the pro style because they believe it will get them to the league. He has changed it in the past if you know his story. 

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Is it arch or is it the o-line or is it sark? How about it’s all 3. But make no mistake that everything trickles from the top down. You’re the ceo, head coach that hand picked this roster and your side of the ball and if you couldn’t see how bad this o-line is then you don’t have a great feel evaluating your personnel.

so my issues go like this

1. o-line is atrocious and you’re still calling plays that take forever to open the receivers up.

2. Arch is clearly a head case and you keep calling plays that take forever to develop knowing he has 4 seconds tops to make a decision.

3. We have no offensive identity at all and it changes game to game. 
 

sark has no idea what adjustments to make and especially last night it wasn’t only arch with the deer in the headlights look, sark looked like he had no idea what to call to move the ball. 

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1 minute ago, Derka said:

saban had tua on the bench. tua was saban’s future. everyone on our bench is there in case arch physically cannot play. arch is sark’s future. giving up on arch would mean giving up on everything sark has been building for years and starting from scratch. also, y’all don’t think we get crushed in the portal if sark gives up on arch this quickly? you don’t think we see a mass exodus of talent plus some serious negative recruiting against us? this is why coaches are coaches and fans are fans. fans always want to hit the self destruct button whenever things don’t immediately materialize the way they wanted them to.

I know arch can improve over this season into next but he got worse from ou to Kentucky and I don’t mean like 1 step backwards I mean like 4. We will probably get a mass exodus either way. Our wr are not good and we have high level guys sitting the bench and I don’t think they’ll stay if that happens. But I agree with you about not giving up on arch but damn of sark built his entire future on arch then his future looks bleak right now.

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9 minutes ago, runthebone said:

Are the plays slow developing, or is Arch slow to process?  Probably both.

Yea id love someone to show some film breakdown like we used to get on here from a wide angle so we can see wtf is happening. Do we run complex wr routes? Are we slow af or something? I think we know the o-line blows so what’s the deal? I would lean to the captain obvious answer of it’s all of the above? 
 

what poster used to make those video breakdowns each week that really helped some(like me) not bitch as much after seeing slow motion film of our offense and defense.

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14 minutes ago, Derka said:

saban had tua on the bench. tua was saban’s future. everyone on our bench is there in case arch physically cannot play. arch is sark’s future. giving up on arch would mean giving up on everything sark has been building for years and starting from scratch. also, y’all don’t think we get crushed in the portal if sark gives up on arch this quickly? you don’t think we see a mass exodus of talent plus some serious negative recruiting against us? this is why coaches are coaches and fans are fans. fans always want to hit the self destruct button whenever things don’t immediately materialize the way they wanted them to.

Dude, with the way things are going, you don't think we're going to see a mass exodus of talent already? 

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12 minutes ago, Rockethorn1978 said:

I know arch can improve over this season into next but he got worse from ou to Kentucky and I don’t mean like 1 step backwards I mean like 4. We will probably get a mass exodus either way. Our wr are not good and we have high level guys sitting the bench and I don’t think they’ll stay if that happens. But I agree with you about not giving up on arch but damn of sark built his entire future on arch then his future looks bleak right now.

I actually disagree about our WR's not being good. We just have a terrible QB who can't get it to them. But when he does make an accurate throw, 9/10 they catch it. We need better QB play. 

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2 minutes ago, William Bludworth said:

I actually disagree about our WR's not being good. We just have a terrible QB who can't get it to them. But when he does make an accurate throw, 9/10 they catch it. We need better QB play. 

Parker Livingstone is our best receiver and it’s not particularly close. Wingo fucking sucks as a receiver. 

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Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

Parker Livingstone is our best receiver and it’s not particularly close. Wingo fucking sucks as a receiver. 

I’ll disagree. He may not be some superstar number one but when the ball hits him in stride he makes plays. 

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13 minutes ago, runthebone said:

Are the plays slow developing, or is Arch slow to process?  Probably both.

This is the one major disadvantage to watching a game on the tv vs in person. In person you can quickly see every route, who’s open, etc. I would like to hear from knowledgeable posters who have seen multiple games live. Even if the routes are more slow developing, is Arch late to see them? He was doing a lot of that in previous games, so my criticism of Sark may be a little too harsh. 

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1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Parker Livingstone is our best receiver and it’s not particularly close. Wingo fucking sucks as a receiver. 

Sure, but DeAndre Moore is a good WR. Wingo is, I wouldn't say sucks, but inconsistent. He was a project coming in, people forget that. 

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