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3 minutes ago, Tailgate said:

Cannot wait to see what happens when Vanguard opens up their wallet for Bitcoin. It will happen.

I've long thought the welcome to the big leagues moment will be when employers start to allow employees to buy bitcoin (actual purchase or ETF) with their 401ks. In a sense it will be purchasing an amount of bitcoin and putting it away for decades. That is where the scarcity of btc will come into play with less and less bitcoin for sale.

While there are now ~20m bitcoin in circulation with another 1m left to be mined, there are estimates that there are actually closer to 14-15m available. The rest being lost for a variety of reasons. If true, 15m is a small number. 

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On 5/19/2025 at 1:51 PM, Brisketexan said:

If the USD goes "poof"....pray tell, what GOOD will your crypto be?  How will you use it to procure goods and services here in the "we don't actually have a currency" USA?  Will you be able to access the internet?  Use electricity?

If the USD goes "poof," none of that shit will matter or be in play.

If you are investing in a hedge against the dollar's complete and total collapse, as a resident of this country, you'd be much smarter investing in crates of ammunition.

Man, don't give them good ideas.

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On 5/19/2025 at 1:23 PM, Nice Guy Eddie said:

That is where the scarcity of btc will come into play with less and less bitcoin for sale.

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A few weeks ago the OCC, which regulates banks, pushed out a new order enabling commercial banks to custody and buy/sell cryptos to customers. https://www.occ.gov/news-issuances/news-releases/2025/nr-occ-2025-42.html

You are going to start seeing, when you open up your bank account, Checking, USD Savings, and Bitcoin/Tether accounts all listed together. 

The stablecoin bill, which is about to pass, is a serious problem for banks, because most banks are holding onto your cash and paying 0% interest, and for Visa/Mastercard who need their 2.5%. 

And when you have the option to save in a currency that doesn't depreciate to Bolivia and they're oh by the way they're not making more of it, you will do that too. 

Money printer going brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. 

 

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Next MSTY payment announced tomorrow. I think a lot of people are going to be pissed if it’s 1.10-1.40, like it should be. The underlying and the synthetic positions were all down, but the weeklies kicked ass. Will be interesting to see if they juice it up based on the strength from the previous income that was withheld.

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On 6/4/2025 at 7:54 PM, Luka said:

I wish you luck. The engineering that goes into this security makes me a little uneasy. Thus I’m sitting it out. 

There’s a good follow on X/Twitter/Youtube called RetireonDividends that downloads the daily holdings/transactions for MSTY/CONY and a few others at Yieldmax that helps paint what the firm does. He actually had the MSTY fund manager and the Yieldmax CEO both on for an interview and answered a ton of questions about prospectus changes that address NAV decay and how estimated ROC is deployed for tax advantages. 

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7 hours ago, Luka said:

Big pivot here. Now just need to drop prosecution of non custodial mixer developers like Samourai. 

You mean drop prosection of money laundering operations?

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12 minutes ago, burnt beanz said:

MSTR back over 400. BTC 107,500. The hour draws near. 

I believe that we're due for another BTC pop. Perhaps closer to 125.

caveat: if there are negative, external events, then it could easily drop as well.

 

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30 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I believe that we're due for another BTC pop. Perhaps closer to 125.

caveat: if there are negative, external events, then it could easily drop as well.

 

Ya, I think it could go higher or lower as well. 

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Honest question - why would you trade bitcoin, which is going to the moon eventually, for a cheeseburger which is literally going into the shitter in a couple of hours?

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9 minutes ago, burnt beanz said:

On that note I did buy a nice steak n Shake burger combo last week with bitcoin. Paid from my cashapp. Scanned a QR code on the register. Done in seconds. @Captainant

lulz that's conducting a transaction in the Cash App ecosystem, not happening live on the blockchain. It's being conducted in BTC valuation, but you're relying and trusting a third party financial institution. Which is diametrically opposite of the BTC whitepaper's core design principal of trustless payments.

You don't even get a txid because it's not on any blockchain anywhere, it's on the same old """dinosaur slow and inefficent""" payment systems that dollars flow through as well. Which is what BTC was supposed to be innovating upon, not using to scale lmfao

Correcting myself - they do appear to rectify the transaction on the blockchain eventually, however the instant nature of the transaction clearing is not BTC. That's the Cash App saying "trust us" while they wait for their BTC transactions to process through the blockchain.

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3 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

Honest question - why would you trade bitcoin, which is going to the moon eventually, for a cheeseburger which is literally going into the shitter in a couple of hours?

Say that someone is sitting on a large (or small) capital gain on crypto. If Sen. Lummis' language is kept, it would exempt <$200 transactions from reporting the sale as a capital gain.  Now if you have $2m in capital gains, that's a long haul to not report the capital gains across many many transactions but it legally eliminates the tax owed.

Of course if someone thinks that BTC is going to 10x, you don't want to spend $15 on a burger that will eventually effectively cost you $150.

 

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LOOOOOOLZ you're not conducting BTC transactions. You're conducting side-chain transactions with third parties that you've chosen to trust. You're just playing with wildly inefficient monopoly money that does not even do what you evengelize it as doing.

 

To even start using lightning, you consign off a portion of your BTC to an open and run a ledger with that vendor and have to trust that they won't just run off with your funds and DDoS your ability to send a closing transaction before they write out a block to the main BTC chain. It's no more secure than just doing business with a bank at that point. You're just doing it with WAY more steps and wasting a shitton of energy to conduct your commerce

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There is one valuable utility to these coins and it is bypassing currency exchanges which are useless.  My brother gets paid in USD and converts to real using BTC and pays next to nothing for it.  I totally see the utility there.  As a store of value, fuck off.  But to move quickly from different currencies, hell yes.  

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Might be getting outside the btc conversation, but for the above wouldn't an account with Wise be what he needs for card transactions if he's not withdrawing from a foreign country atm?

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On 7/1/2025 at 2:12 PM, StassneyHorn said:

Might be getting outside the btc conversation, but for the above wouldn't an account with Wise be what he needs for card transactions if he's not withdrawing from a foreign country atm?

Wise charges you similar forex fees to banks, just they roll it into their market rate so they claim no fees.

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21 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

North of 113k now.

i believe btc was 13k in Sept 2020. Not sure I would have believe that we would be adding a 1 in front of it 5 years later. Wonder if we will add another leading 1 by 2030.

16k at the bottom in 2023. Incredible.

 

 

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On 7/10/2025 at 11:44 AM, Nice Guy Eddie said:

North of 113k now.

i believe btc was 13k in Sept 2020. Not sure I would have believe that we would be adding a 1 in front of it 5 years later. Wonder if we will add another leading 1 by 2030.

a woman is making a funny face and saying you know it and i know it

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On 7/12/2025 at 3:49 AM, Tailgate said:

Two straight days this week with $1B in Bitcoin ETF inflows.

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This is the argument that creates a $250k Bitcoin, or whatever. Plus or minus. The demand is high and outpace new supply, not that new supply is necessarily on the market. Of course there is always profit taking whether you bought at $1 or $100k.

however bitcoin is becoming more mainstream every day especially as it become accepted by the us govt.

to be clear, I think we could easily see $80k before $250k. You need a strong stomach to own bitcoin.

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On 7/13/2025 at 12:02 PM, Tailgate said:

‘We Expect Bitcoin to Top $200K by the End of Year’, Says Bitwise CIO

https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2025/07/12/we-expect-bitcoin-to-top-usd200k-by-the-end-of-year-says-bitwise-cio

Even assuming BTC continues to generally rise over time, the cycles have down turns. Do prior cycles suggest a 67% rise in the next 5 months is realistic? It seems like you’d want to take some gains soon rather than continuing to buy at the top

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27 minutes ago, B00M said:

Even assuming BTC continues to generally rise over time, the cycles have down turns. Do prior cycles suggest a 67% rise in the next 5 months is realistic? It seems like you’d want to take some gains soon rather than continuing to buy at the top

Each cycle is unique especially now that ETFs are in place and you have a crypto-friendly administration even though they're unpredictable. I don't buy when someone attempts to model the current cycle by reviewing previous history. 

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I’m rarely a first adopter but I think I’m going to jump on the BTC train through the fidelity ETF. 

I’m trying to be an early adopter on other investments though, seems like mass disruption is coming in key areas maybe not on a civilization scale but currency, energy, AI, transportation, robotics. Not sure those all belong in this discussion but I do think there is about to be some serious wealth generation across disruptive sectors. 

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CPI came in hotter so some pressure on BTC today (gold too) trying to figure out the entry point. I’m a long term hold but like finding the precise time to buy. 

our asset mix is HEAVY real estate, HEAVY private businesses, followed by cash, physical gold/silver (inherited), broad market exposure and then disruptive sectors/stocks/assets. I think it’s time for BTC. 

 

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24 minutes ago, troph said:

I’m rarely a first adopter but I think I’m going to jump on the BTC train through the fidelity ETF. 

I’m trying to be an early adopter on other investments though, seems like mass disruption is coming in key areas maybe not on a civilization scale but currency, energy, AI, transportation, robotics. Not sure those all belong in this discussion but I do think there is about to be some serious wealth generation across disruptive sectors. 

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But seriously, congrats. If you have the stomach, your open mind helped you make a strong long term financial decision. 

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5 minutes ago, Fiscal dominance said:

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But seriously, congrats. If you have the stomach, your open mind helped you make a strong long term financial decision. 

Thanks, recently I’ve taken control over that last tranche of investments - the disruptive category and it’s really interesting when you buy assets and stocks that you believe in (granted your investment thesis still has to be right), then market sentiment and macro market influences are timing factors and nothing else. I’m having a great time doing the eval and picking. 

FBTC beat out a nuclear energy ETF and a fusion energy stock (broader energy play with exposure to fusion) for this round of buying. BTC seems way safer and less speculative tbqh.

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2 minutes ago, Hard Times said:

More safeguards and regulation is good for crypto no matter what the crypto-anarchists thinks. The real key is to allow and assist institutional banks as custodians of crypto which will allow people to own crypto with much less risk. People should still be allowed to self-custody but don't create barriers to casual ownership. (I know the Jamie Dimons of the world may say they don't want to be custodians for fake assets but banks will always go to the money.)

Also people need to be told the truth of what they're buying. I've run into more than 1 person who says they're in Bitcoin because they bought a meme token. No, you bought some magic beans from a stranger.

When the Dave Ramsey show (maybe not him personally) are softly saying they're ok with minor crypto speculation, this industry isn't going anywhere.

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7 minutes ago, Hard Times said:

Elizabeth Warren has zero cred on this. She doesn't want to put safeguards in place for the industry. She wants to destroy it and has essentially stated that in the past.

Could go more in depth, but want to keep thread on track. 

2 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

More safeguards and regulation is good for crypto no matter what the crypto-anarchists thinks.

I could potentially buy that, but Warren being the messenger kills it immediately. Remember her wanting to build the "anti crypto army"?

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5 minutes ago, troph said:

FBTC beat out a nuclear energy ETF and a fusion energy stock (broader energy play with exposure to fusion) for this round of buying. BTC seems way safer and less speculative tbqh.

depends on your time horizon, but BTC wayyy more likely to go to 1M than 0 at this point. 

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2 minutes ago, Fiscal dominance said:

I could potentially buy that, but Warren being the messenger kills it immediately. Remember her wanting to build the "anti crypto army"?

but she has zero power. even admitting that she's open to crypto ideas is a big step

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35 minutes ago, Fiscal dominance said:

depends on your time horizon, but BTC wayyy more likely to go to 1M than 0 at this point. 

Hopefully I won’t ever need this investment for walking around money. 

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alright I’m in.  Physical gold, silver and BTC. I got guns too. No conspiracy theories though and still liberal as fuck. 

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1 hour ago, troph said:

alright I’m in.  Physical gold, silver and BTC. I got guns too. No conspiracy theories though and still liberal as fuck. 

Good for you. Bitcoin is an apolitical investment/money.

The ability to transact freely and/or hodl a currency that can't be debased by centralized entities should have bipartisan support. 

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tpb-109-make-bitcoin-nonpartisan-again-with-jason-brett/id1601045370?i=1000680674033

 

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