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16 minutes ago, royiv said:

I see the Trump DT cabal woke up and got their talking points.

It's why they took hours to respond.  They had to wait to be told how to frame this. It's never a surprise that Ana waits until dark to start posting; I don't believe the drunk posting, he has to wait for the marching orders to come in from Moscow

8 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Military protocols of precedence place Senators above fuckin 4-star generals dude. They're equivalent to the Vice President. 

So they threatened to hang him? 

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36 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

This whole thing was staged.  Even CNN had a guy on that refuted this entire narrative.  Noem was speaking.  It wasn't a Q&A period.  Dude was being loud and disruptive so they were walking him out.  Peaceful, controlled.  Then HE pivoted back and tried to get back and push his way through the officers.  THAT is when things escalated.  It didn't start that way.

Then shortly after he and Noem met for 10-15 minutes to clear the air, and even exchanged cell phone numbers.  

How did he get in the room if everyone was so shocked about who he was?

For what crime was he handcuffed and detained?

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Posted
20 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Who fucking cares if it was staged? They still shouldn't do it. For all intents and purposes, he is her boss and should be able to ask her any fucking question he wants in any venue.

I'm sure the Surly cabal would have this same energy if Cruz stormed in on a press conference, starts shouting at the speaker, is in the process of being escorted out, then tries to push his back in and gets taken down.  The fuck around and find out energy here could power a small town

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Just now, BabaYaga said:

I'm sure the Surly cabal would have this same energy if Cruz stormed in on a press conference, starts shouting at the speaker, is in the process of being escorted out, then tries to push his back in and gets taken down.  The fuck around and find out energy here could power a small town

Your description of events has quite a bit of daylight with reality. Maybe lay off reading those "alternative" blogs you used to link here

Padilla had a meeting with a 2-star in the Federal building as part of his oversight duties.  He said he would like to be there, and was escorted there by facility staff. 

Get a grip, you're being super fuckin aggy.

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2 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

I'm sure the Surly cabal would have this same energy if Cruz stormed in on a press conference, starts shouting at the speaker, is in the process of being escorted out, then tries to push his back in and gets taken down.  The fuck around and find out energy here could power a small town

That’s not at all what happened yesterday. But let’s say Cruz did do that. The best way to deal with a guy like him is for the speaker to make a joke at his expense and laugh at him for boorish behavior. Embarrass him and make him look like the pussy that he is. You don’t escalate and allow it to turn into a situation where you, as the person delivering the message, lose the message and the narrative. 

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Posted (edited)

It appears that the august Senator was slightly out of order in not holding his questions.

I didn't see anyone asking him to hold his questions until the appropriate time.  Which would have been the non-authoritarian response.  Even Obergruppenfuhrer Tim O'Hare does that.

I did see the goon squad immediately attempt to remove him, at which point he most certainly did identify himself, if not before.

Compare and contrast the clownshow Congress critters showing up to "oversee" 1/6 "political prisoners" with democrats challenging the regime at immigration detention centers.

Violent goon squads are the new normal.

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4 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I did see the goon squad immediately attempt to remove him, at which point he most certainly did identify himself, if not before.


He identified himself and was wearing a fucking US Senate shirt. Trying to push back obvious lies by these potato brains is never going to work. 
 

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Posted
14 minutes ago, Js1 said:

It's why they took hours to respond.  They had to wait to be told how to frame this. It's never a surprise that Ana waits until dark to start posting; I don't believe the drunk posting, he has to wait for the marching orders to come in from Moscow

Took the boys for some fishing and out to dinner yesterday evening, but thanks for always thinking about me. 

The video is pretty clear to me. He went there to create drama, and he found some. 

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Posted
13 hours ago, Firemans4Horn said:

Did not get body slammed. Or even kicked out.

 

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These 2 cows and the one who heckled Obama should have been forcibly tackled and dragged out of The building 

/MAGA logic 

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1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

Took the boys for some fishing and out to dinner yesterday evening, but thanks for always thinking about me. 

The video is pretty clear to me. He went there to create drama, and he found some. 

For what reason was he handcuffed and detained? What was the crime?

Posted
3 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

For what reason was he handcuffed and detained? What was the crime?

Questioning the regime 

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Posted
Just now, hobbes2702 said:

For what reason was he handcuffed and detained? What was the crime?

I don't think that there was a crime here. It was a security issue handled by the security personnel. If you are telling me that they broke protocol and SOP at any point, I am certainly willing to hear the argument. It is pretty obvious to me that Padilla went in there to create drama. He got exactly what he wanted out of it and then went on TV and lied about it. 

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Posted (edited)
4 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I don't think that there was a crime here. It was a security issue handled by the security personnel. If you are telling me that they broke protocol and SOP at any point, I am certainly willing to hear the argument. It is pretty obvious to me that Padilla went in there to create drama. He got exactly what he wanted out of it and then went on TV and lied about it. 

Federal agents contributed to his detainment. The FBI had to issue a statement about it. You are so dense that your contempt here is held for the guy that was illegally detained despite being a Senator in charge of oversight for the agency. 
“Creating drama” means we arrest people now? Where’s that in the law?
You’re just a fake as fuck bootlicker 

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3 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Federal agents contributed to his detainment. The FBI had to issue a statement about it.

Can you post the statement. 

Calling me names doesn't really hurt my feels. No one got arrested. I am pretty sure that the security protocols in place guide to remove the potential security threat from the situation. It's not licking boots to see someone acting like a child in a public setting end up with the expected outcome.  

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Posted (edited)
8 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Can you post the statement. 

Calling me names doesn't really hurt my feels. No one got arrested. I am pretty sure that the security protocols in place guide to remove the potential security threat from the situation. It's not licking boots to see someone acting like a child in a public setting end up with the expected outcome.  

No one got arrested. Just detained without committing a crime. I’m sure there are security protocols. So why was he handcuffed and detained after he was removed from the situation and identified as a sitting member of the Senate?

 

It shouldn’t be this hard to say “they shouldn’t have done that”. Remember when libertarians weren’t just fake authoritarians? Me neither.

FBI Deputy Director Dan Bongino defended agents' actions on social media.
"The senator in question was not wearing a security pin and physically resisted law enforcement when confronted," Bongino said, referring to the lapel pins senators typically wear in the Capitol. "Our FBI personnel acted completely appropriately while assisting Secret Service."
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1 minute ago, hobbes2702 said:

No one got arrested. Just detained without committing a crime. I’m sure there are security protocols. So why was he handcuffed and detained after he was removed from the situation and identified as a sitting member of the Senate?

 

It shouldn’t be this hard to say “they shouldn’t have done that”. Remember when libertarians weren’t just fake authoritarians? Me neither.

Can you post that FBI statement you referenced?

Was he detained after his identify was verified? You seem to be making stuff up. 

He went to create drama. He did not identify himself when he rolled up, he was not wearing the security pin that the USSS and FBI would be trained to recognize. He starting clowning, was engaged by security and responded by physically engaging them back. He got removed to a side room and taken to the ground.   

Look go to any secured public press conference and try that same shit and you will be rolled out too. 

If this is what is going to make you bark about authoritarianism, reasonable people are going to ignore your barking in the future when it will be actually warranted.  Get a grip guys.  

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3 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Can you post that FBI statement you referenced?

Was he detained after his identify was verified? You seem to be making stuff up. 

He went to create drama. He did not identify himself when he rolled up, he was not wearing the security pin that the USSS and FBI would be trained to recognize. He starting clowning, was engaged by security and responded by physically engaging them back. He got removed to a side room and taken to the ground.   

Look go to any secured public press conference and try that same shit and you will be rolled out too. 

If this is what is going to make you bark about authoritarianism, reasonable people are going to ignore your barking in the future when it will be actually warranted.  Get a grip guys.  

What do you think detained means?

But Mr. Padilla said that he had not only identified himself in the room, as shown in the footage, but had also introduced himself to the agents who had escorted him from the lobby.
 

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Posted (edited)
19 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Can you post the statement. 

Calling me names doesn't really hurt my feels. No one got arrested. I am pretty sure that the security protocols in place guide to remove the potential security threat from the situation. It's not licking boots to see someone acting like a child in a public setting end up with the expected outcome.  

If guess the fact that you think he was acting like a child, given what his role is and what she said, is part of the problem.  Your fascism is showing. 

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Posted

It's incredible to see all the resident """LiBeRtArIaNs""" come out of the woodwork to lick boots about this and lie about the material facts of the situation. Senator Padilla did not """barge in""" - he was escorted to the room and they opened the door for him to come in. He was in that building already to meet with a 2-star general on other matters.

Senator Padilla has a constitutional RIGHT to oversight over that agency. Acting like he's some sort of security threat is grade-A horseshit.

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Just now, A-Tex Devil said:

If guess the fact that you think he was acting like a child given what his role is and what she said is part of the problem.  

The fact is that as a Senator, Padilla knows the forum and appropriate protocols to debate policy and execute his oversight role. He decided to show up uncoordinated and act out at a press conference. 

 

9 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Mr. Padilla said that he had not only identified himself in the room, as shown in the footage,

 Yes, we can all see exactly how that went down with our own eyes.  What a weird rorschach this is turning in to. 

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Posted
52 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:


He identified himself and was wearing a fucking US Senate shirt. Trying to push back obvious lies by these potato brains is never going to work. 
 

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Shirt embroidery and shouting, "I'm a Senator" =  identification.

 

LOL.  thats fucking hilarious.

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https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/06/12/us/la-protests-trump-marines-ice/at-least-22-states-join-california-in-its-effort-to-block-trumps-troop-deployment?smid=url-share

At least 22 states have joined a legal brief in support of California’s request for a court order blocking President Trump’s deployment of the state’s National Guard.

Mr. Trump has deployed nearly 5,000 National Guard troops and Marines to the Los Angeles area with members of the Guard accompanying federal immigration officers on raids across the city, an action that California officials have sought to stop with an emergency court order that would limit military troops to protecting a complex of federal buildings downtown where protesters have been gathering.

“The president is escalating events in Los Angeles not to prevent violence, but to stoke fear and division,” said Nick Brown, the attorney general of Washington State, whose office led the filing in federal court in California of what is known as an amicus brief. “It’s a deliberate enticement to chaos.”

“Washington State would act swiftly to protect our residents if the president did the same here,” he added.

Gov. Gavin Newsom of California has condemned the president’s deployment of the military in Los Angeles as a “brazen abuse of power.”

The amicus brief calls Mr. Trump’s move “unlawful, unconstitutional, and undemocratic.”

“Since 1792, when Congress first gave the president the authority to call forth the militia in limited circumstances, the president has only ever used it as ‘a last resort,’ when a state requests help to quell an insurrection, when necessary to enforce a federal court order, or when state and local law enforcement are unable to enforce the law,” the brief said.

Attorneys general for the following states also joined the brief: Arizona, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont and Wisconsin. The office of Gov. Laura Kelly of Kansas also joined.

“We should all be shocked by President Trump’s decision to federalize and deploy California’s National Guard without the consent of California’s governor,” Charity R. Clark, the Vermont attorney general, said in a news release. “The president’s actions are illegal and un-American. Vermont proudly stands with California in fighting for the rule of law and defending states’ sovereign rights.”

Ms. Clark called the president’s move “an unlimited claim of presidential authority” and said it could put states at risk by taking Guard members away from being on call for other emergencies, such as responding to natural disasters.

On Thursday, Los Angeles City Attorney Hydee Feldstein Soto and her co-counsel, Democracy Defenders Fund, also filed a brief in support of California’s request to block the troop deployment.

The filing points out a disproportionate response by the Trump Administration, noting that the number of troops sent to Los Angeles to manage protests involving about 1,000 people was nearly equivalent to the number of police for the entire city of Houston, with its population of 2 million.

“The military’s unsought and dangerous deployment in downtown Los Angeles should not be allowed to stand,” the brief says.

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2 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Shirt embroidery and shouting, "I'm a Senator" =  identification.

 

LOL.  thats fucking hilarious.

Well that and the whole being escorted into the room thing. I’m sure they had no idea who he was.

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3 minutes ago, bolverk said:

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https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/06/12/us/la-protests-trump-marines-ice/at-least-22-states-join-california-in-its-effort-to-block-trumps-troop-deployment?smid=url-share

At least 22 states have joined a legal brief in support of California’s request for a court order blocking President Trump’s deployment of the state’s National Guard.

Mr. Trump has deployed nearly 5,000 National Guard troops and Marines to the Los Angeles area with members of the Guard accompanying federal immigration officers on raids across the city, an action that California officials have sought to stop with an emergency court order that would limit military troops to protecting a complex of federal buildings downtown where protesters have been gathering.

“The president is escalating events in Los Angeles not to prevent violence, but to stoke fear and division,” said Nick Brown, the attorney general of Washington State, whose office led the filing in federal court in California of what is known as an amicus brief. “It’s a deliberate enticement to chaos.”

“Washington State would act swiftly to protect our residents if the president did the same here,” he added.

Gov. Gavin Newsom of California has condemned the president’s deployment of the military in Los Angeles as a “brazen abuse of power.”

The amicus brief calls Mr. Trump’s move “unlawful, unconstitutional, and undemocratic.”

“Since 1792, when Congress first gave the president the authority to call forth the militia in limited circumstances, the president has only ever used it as ‘a last resort,’ when a state requests help to quell an insurrection, when necessary to enforce a federal court order, or when state and local law enforcement are unable to enforce the law,” the brief said.

Attorneys general for the following states also joined the brief: Arizona, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont and Wisconsin. The office of Gov. Laura Kelly of Kansas also joined.

“We should all be shocked by President Trump’s decision to federalize and deploy California’s National Guard without the consent of California’s governor,” Charity R. Clark, the Vermont attorney general, said in a news release. “The president’s actions are illegal and un-American. Vermont proudly stands with California in fighting for the rule of law and defending states’ sovereign rights.”

Ms. Clark called the president’s move “an unlimited claim of presidential authority” and said it could put states at risk by taking Guard members away from being on call for other emergencies, such as responding to natural disasters.

On Thursday, Los Angeles City Attorney Hydee Feldstein Soto and her co-counsel, Democracy Defenders Fund, also filed a brief in support of California’s request to block the troop deployment.

The filing points out a disproportionate response by the Trump Administration, noting that the number of troops sent to Los Angeles to manage protests involving about 1,000 people was nearly equivalent to the number of police for the entire city of Houston, with its population of 2 million.

“The military’s unsought and dangerous deployment in downtown Los Angeles should not be allowed to stand,” the brief says.

Texas is not one of those states 

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Shirt embroidery and shouting, "I'm a Senator" =  identification.

 

LOL.  thats fucking hilarious.

hey look, another fascist sympathizer that's lying about the material facts of what happened! He was fucking escorted into that room. He didn't just barge in. He was shouting "I'm a Senator!" as they were bodyslamming and handcuffing him - because by military protocol he is due the respect of a 4-star general. 

 

Go fuck your own face if you think a tiny little pin would have stopped those goons from getting their jollies off roughing up one of their oversight members.

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1 minute ago, Captainant said:

hey look, another fascist sympathizer that's lying about the material facts of what happened! He was fucking escorted into that room. He didn't just barge in. He was shouting "I'm a Senator!" as they were bodyslamming and handcuffing him - because by military protocol he is due the respect of a 4-star general. 

 

Go fuck your own face if you think a tiny little pin would have stopped those goons from getting their jollies off roughing up one of their oversight members.

What would have stopped the "finding out" phase of this little episode would be not to try to push past security.   Dude went full blown, "DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM???".  A classic.

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5 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Well that and the whole being escorted into the room thing. I’m sure they had no idea who he was.

You are just making shit up. Did you find that FBI statement yet?

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Just now, Goredho said:

The conversation happening here is stupid.  All the focus on what Padilla did or didn't say before getting forcibly rolled out of a news conference.  What was said yesterday that should be the focus of attention is:

"We are staying here to liberate the city from the socialists and the burdensome leadership that this governor and that this mayor have placed on this country and what they have tried to insert into the city."

The conversation that we should be having is whether a U.S. President should, with the force of the U.S. military, be able to "liberate" a city or state from the officials the populace of those cities/states have elected as their leadership?

But of course, keep the focus on what Padilla did or didn't say.

for the fucking idiots who think he barged in. This is where they were.

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1 minute ago, Incredulity said:

What would have stopped the "finding out" phase of this little episode would be not to try to push past security.   Dude went full blown, "DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM???".  A classic.

what happened to your zeal for states rights? You cool with the feds coming and liberating the city from their elected leadership and governance? Seems pretty fascist.

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Posted
1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

You are just making shit up. Did you find that FBI statement yet?

Yea I posted it. What am I making up? You can read what the senator said in this very thread. So I guess why are you lying? 

Posted
Just now, Captainant said:

what happened to your zeal for states rights? You cool with the feds coming and liberating the city from their elected leadership and governance? Seems pretty fascist.

surrender noted.

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Posted

So I'll ask @Incredulity and @Anastasis directly to answer the real question.  In light of this statement:

"We are staying here to liberate the city from the socialists and the burdensome leadership that this governor and that this mayor have placed on this country and what they have tried to insert into the city."

Should a U.S. President, with the force of the U.S. military, be able to "liberate" a city or state from the officials the populace of those cities/states have elected as their leadership?  I'm honestly interested in your reaction to that from your federal government.

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Just now, Goredho said:

Should a U.S. President, with the force of the U.S. military, be able to "liberate" a city or state from the officials the populace of those cities/states have elected as their leadership?  I'm honestly interested in your reaction to that from your federal government.

completely loaded question is completely loaded.

 

First define, "liberate".

Then, "US military"

 

Broadly, outside of the National Guard in instances where it has historically been utilized, US military should not be used in actions against US citizens.

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