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The media has already been pushing a narrative that UT might return to Lubbock for the first round of the playoffs, and how fun that would be.  In this scenario, the winner would likely then play Aggie in round two.  I think if Tech wins out (or even if they lose their conference championship game) and UT doesn't stumble, they will make this happen for the spectacle alone.   This has never been a sport, but rather a beauty pageant, and that is the case now more than ever.  I like UT's chances of a spot.

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Just now, Drew said:

Oh you're kidding yourself that a 10-2 Texas this year would not be a lock. They absolutely would be. That still means wins over OU/Vandy/Aggy.  C'mon on immamac that's silly.

10-2 Texas with losses to Florida and Georgia when everyone else who is 10-2 in the league or 11-1 in the league has only lost to 

Alabama, Georgia, Ole Miss, Texas

Yeah dude Texas gets left out. Idk why this is so hard for you to understand. They aren't gonna make the CCG if they win out. That's how fucking competitive the top of the SEC is. The Florida loss keeps them out of the CCG. You need to reframe your argument. The Florida loss is the entire reason why playoffs are even in question. 

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Just now, chainsaw said:

If we beat Georgia and aggy, we need Ole Miss to lose in order to make the CCG.

That’s one way, OU could also beat Bama, or A&M could go Aggie and lose to South Carolina, there may be others I haven’t tried to figure out every combination. 

 

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3 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

If we beat Georgia and aggy, we need Ole Miss to lose in order to make the CCG.

I don’t care about making the CCG. Just an extra opportunity for injury. I’d rather be seeded 5-8 instead and host a home game and rest 

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1 minute ago, Js1 said:

I don’t care about making the CCG. Just an extra opportunity for injury. I’d rather be seeded 5-8 instead and host a home game and rest 

All gas, no brakes.

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1 hour ago, TxEx84 said:

And yet, ND lost to NIU last year and made it to the Championship game.

Northern Illinois was 8-5, won a bowl game. Florida is bottom of the barrel dogshit bad. Florida didn't win by some fluke, they kicked our ass all day. That was a terrible loss. Texas hasn't loss since but now we are in the position of probably having zero room for error. I don't see a 3 loss Texas team getting in with how many teams are ahead of us in the SEC alone. 

 

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10 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I don’t care about making the CCG. Just an extra opportunity for injury. I’d rather be seeded 5-8 instead and host a home game and rest 

Yeah but us winning the SEC before A&M during their best year ever would be pretty fun. 

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9 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

Northern Illinois was 8-5, won a bowl game. Florida is bottom of the barrel dogshit bad. Florida didn't win by some fluke, they kicked our ass all day. That was a terrible loss. Texas hasn't loss since but now we are in the position of probably having zero room for error. I don't see a 3 loss Texas team getting in with how many teams are ahead of us in the SEC alone. 

 

NIU lost to Buffalo, NC State, Toledo, Ball State, and Miami of Ohio. Best win besides ND?  I guess the 2OT victory over Fresno State in the Famous Idaho Bowl? Not exactly an SEC schedule there. 

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32 minutes ago, immamac said:

10-2 Texas with losses to Florida and Georgia

Can you fill me in on this hypothetical?  Is there an underlying assumption that we didn't play (and lose to) tOSU?  There are way too many moving parts in this thread to keep up.

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Just now, TxEx84 said:

NIU lost to Buffalo, NC State, Toledo, Ball State, and Miami of Ohio. Best win besides ND?  I guess the 2OT victory over Fresno State in the Famous Idaho Bowl? Not exactly an SEC schedule there. 

This website would have fucking exploded if we lose at home as a top 10 team to a MAC team, regardless of whether they finished 8-5 or 9-4 or 5-7

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10 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I won’t say it will “never” happen because on a long enough timeline it will, but: the teams ranked from 10-12 (really more like 8-12, but I’ll be generous) are really unlikely to win a title. They may upset a team or two that could, but they won’t make a four game slog. 
 

Go back and look at past AP or Coaches polls and find a team with that ranking that really belonged on the field with the winner. 10-12 is talented teams with visible flaws. 

Past is no longer prologue in college sports, and that shouldn't have to be explained. Your argument is dated and wrong. Ohio State was seeded 8th last year, dude. 

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2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Can you fill me in on this hypothetical?  Is there an underlying assumption that we didn't play (and lose to) tOSU?  There are way too many moving parts in this thread to keep up.

Yeah assume they played Rice and didn't blow them out game 1 of the season. 

Everything else is the same that's all that changes the entire season. 

The assumption is that Texas loses to Florida and Georgia and everyone else wins out including Texas at the expense of a doesn't matter at that point loss for TAMU. 

That's 8-0 bama, 7-1 Georgia (L to bama), 7-1 ole miss (L to georgia), 7-1 aggy (L to TEX), 5-2 Vandy (L to bama, TEX), 5-2 Texas (L to Georgia, FLORIDA), 4-3 Oklahoma (L to TEX, ole Miss, bama) 

If Oklahoma upsets bama, that only moves them ahead of Texas at 5-2 with only losses to TEX and ole miss and bama down behind aggy because of how tiebreaker works. 

Texas is the 5th best team with BOMC or the 6th best team (reality) in the SEC. Everyone else lost to good teams with heavily positive SEC records. Florida has an SEC win over... Texas and Mississippi state who just won their first conference game in years. 

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Its impossible to overstate how bad the Florida loss is when considering a second loss on top of it to make the playoffs on a resume. 

The only way to be sure is to win out and host a home playoff game. 

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11 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Past is no longer prologue in college sports, and that shouldn't have to be explained. Your argument is dated and wrong. Ohio State was seeded 8th last year, dude. 

Ohio State was seeded 8 because last year the CFP committee didn’t do a straight seeding model. Boise and Arizona State jumped them, despite being ranked behind them in all the polls. They’d have been 6 or 7 without that.

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For those that think Texas outdraws the comeback kid story of Diego Pavia and vandys quest for a national championship as underdogs is really kind of smoking some crazy crack. Hell, I'd rather watch that narrative than a 12th ranked longhorns squad who did nothing to deserve to be there outside of having potential.

Texas outside of about 5, maybe 6 quarters of football this season has been excruciating to watch. It's not entertaining football. Vandy is entertaining as fuck, it's the right kind of sloppy where the team is doing well, but they just aren't good enough so Pavia is willing things to happen. 

The Texas vandy game was a great watch, Q4 ms state was a great watch, Q3/4 of OU was a good watch. Outside of that? It gets bad fast. 

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1 hour ago, immamac said:

I'm saying the OSU game has no relevance at all in the playoff rankings or punishment for said rankings. The Florida loss is that bad. 

Once again you're wrong here. They are being held down by BOTH losses not just florida.

13 minutes ago, immamac said:

Yeah assume they played Rice and didn't blow them out game 1 of the season. 

Everything else is the same that's all that changes the entire season. 

The assumption is that Texas loses to Florida and Georgia and everyone else wins out including Texas at the expense of a doesn't matter at that point loss for TAMU. 

That's 8-0 bama, 7-1 Georgia (L to bama), 7-1 ole miss (L to georgia), 7-1 aggy (L to TEX), 5-2 Vandy (L to bama, TEX), 5-2 Texas (L to Georgia, FLORIDA), 4-3 Oklahoma (L to TEX, ole Miss, bama) 

If Oklahoma upsets bama, that only moves them ahead of Texas at 5-2 with only losses to TEX and ole miss and bama down behind aggy because of how tiebreaker works. 

Texas is the 5th best team with BOMC or the 6th best team (reality) in the SEC. Everyone else lost to good teams with heavily positive SEC records. Florida has an SEC win over... Texas and Mississippi state who just won their first conference game in years. 

Wait you think 2 loss Texas would be behind 2 loss Vandy in this scenario?  Yeah you're smoking.

Unless you're talking SEC standings and not actually how they'd be ranked by the polls/Committee? 

I'm talking 10-2 Texas overall. Not SEC standings. That team is a LOCK this year.  No question about it.  You're also not looking at wins.  Texas would have wins over Aggi/Vandy/OU and that's better than Vandy's wins, by far, which would put them over them.

 

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3 minutes ago, immamac said:

For those that think Texas outdraws the comeback kid story of Diego Pavia and vandys quest for a national championship as underdogs is really kind of smoking some crazy crack. Hell, I'd rather watch that narrative than a 12th ranked longhorns squad who did nothing to deserve to be there outside of having potential.

Texas outside of about 5, maybe 6 quarters of football this season has been excruciating to watch. It's not entertaining football. Vandy is entertaining as fuck, it's the right kind of sloppy where the team is doing well, but they just aren't good enough so Pavia is willing things to happen. 

The Texas vandy game was a great watch, Q4 ms state was a great watch, Q3/4 of OU was a good watch. Outside of that? It gets bad fast. 

Yeah well fuck that trashy fucking puto. There’s nothing special about him except media hype 

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1 minute ago, Js1 said:

Yeah well fuck that trashy fucking puto. There’s nothing special about him except media hype 

Which is what everyone is claiming gets Texas in, which is why drews argument is stupid. 

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12 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Yeah well fuck that trashy fucking puto. There’s nothing special about him except media hype 

I’ve had a real arc with Pavia. At first I thought he was just a super COVID player being shoved down my throat to gin up interest in Vandy. The I begrudgingly admitted I’d love him if he was on my team. Now he’s just really punchable.

Needed to knock off a really good team again to earn his mouthiness. 

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1 hour ago, immamac said:

10-2 Texas with losses to Florida and Georgia when everyone else who is 10-2 in the league or 11-1 in the league has only lost to 

Alabama, Georgia, Ole Miss, Texas

Yeah dude Texas gets left out. Idk why this is so hard for you to understand. They aren't gonna make the CCG if they win out. That's how fucking competitive the top of the SEC is. The Florida loss keeps them out of the CCG. You need to reframe your argument. The Florida loss is the entire reason why playoffs are even in question. 

 

That, and looking like shit at almost every single point in the season except for the second half against OU, the last quarter against Miss St., and the first three quarters against Vandy. 

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1 hour ago, Vic Mackey said:

Northern Illinois was 8-5, won a bowl game. Florida is bottom of the barrel dogshit bad. Florida didn't win by some fluke, they kicked our ass all day. That was a terrible loss. Texas hasn't loss since but now we are in the position of probably having zero room for error. I don't see a 3 loss Texas team getting in with how many teams are ahead of us in the SEC alone. 

 

This Florida team would prison rape that Northern Illinois squad if both teams played at their best. Florida has 10x more talent than NIU and frankly, they have the dogs to compete with the best teams in the country (see the UGA/Texas games). They just are undisciplined and lazy and cant put it all together except for a few times this season... So they lose to bad teams. Let's not act like they are some dogshit team and we lost to McNeese State. They can beat and lose to anyone depending on what Florida team shows up.  

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26 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Ohio State was seeded 8 because last year the CFP committee didn’t do a straight seeding model. Boise and Arizona State jumped them, despite being ranked behind them in all the polls. They’d have been 6 or 7 without that.

1) You've been posting on this site long enough to know that you do not have to explain shit like this to other long time posters. Do you think I was on a desert island or in solitary confinement in Huntsville during last year's playoff selection period? No, you chose to be pedantic on a tangent rather than admit the silliness of your overall point. 

2) Ohio State was the 8th seed in this era, barely got into the playoffs after the embarrassing Michigan loss, and won it all. No one gives a fuck about the nuance of how they got to that seed but you, because it makes your prior position look inherently false on its face.

3) The larger point was a rebuttal to your larger point - parity is here and referencing the past to make a point about "10-12 seeds, even probably 8-12 seeds, don't really have a chance to win the title" is specious. This isn't 2015 in which its Bama, Ohio State, Clemson and sometimes LSU or Georgia with a real shot to win the whole thing. You want it to be one way, but it is the other. 

18 minutes ago, immamac said:

For those that think Texas outdraws the comeback kid story of Diego Pavia and vandys quest for a national championship as underdogs is really kind of smoking some crazy crack. Hell, I'd rather watch that narrative than a 12th ranked longhorns squad who did nothing to deserve to be there outside of having potential.

Texas outside of about 5, maybe 6 quarters of football this season has been excruciating to watch. It's not entertaining football. Vandy is entertaining as fuck, it's the right kind of sloppy where the team is doing well, but they just aren't good enough so Pavia is willing things to happen. 

The Texas vandy game was a great watch, Q4 ms state was a great watch, Q3/4 of OU was a good watch. Outside of that? It gets bad fast. 

Do you have any evidence whatsoever showing that Vanderbilt is a bigger draw than Texas this year in terms of viewership? If you do, show your work. Otherwise, you're doing your stupid fanboi shit and making broad sweeping generalizations that you wish to be fact because you're excited about somebody or some thing. 

None of us know who the committee would pick between 10-2 Vandy and 9-3 Texas. The eyeballs would drive that decision. If anyone is actually taking the position that 10-2 Vandy gets in over 10-2 Texas, they haven't been paying attention. In both instances, Vandy would likely be pushing someone else out, but it wouldn't be one of the biggest brands in the sport, who they lost to, who is sitting there with 3-4 top 10 wins. 

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5 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

1) You've been posting on this site long enough to know that you do not have to explain shit like this to other long time posters. Do you think I was on a desert island or in solitary confinement in Huntsville during last year's playoff selection period? No, you chose to be pedantic on a tangent rather than admit the silliness of your overall point. 

2) Ohio State was the 8th seed in this era, barely got into the playoffs after the embarrassing Michigan loss, and won it all. No one gives a fuck about the nuance of how they got to that seed but you, because it makes your prior position look inherently false on its face.

3) The larger point was a rebuttal to your larger point - parity is here and referencing the past to make a point about "10-12 seeds, even probably 8-12 seeds, don't really have a chance to win the title" is specious. This isn't 2015 in which its Bama, Ohio State, Clemson and sometimes LSU or Georgia with a real shot to win the whole thing. You want it to be one way, but it is the other. 

Do you have any evidence whatsoever showing that Vanderbilt is a bigger draw than Texas this year in terms of viewership? If you do, show your work. Otherwise, you're doing your stupid fanboi shit and making broad sweeping generalizations that you wish to be fact because you're excited about somebody or some thing. 

None of us know who the committee would pick between 10-2 Vandy and 9-3 Texas. The eyeballs would drive that decision. If anyone is actually taking the position that 10-2 Vandy gets in over 10-2 Texas, they haven't been paying attention. In both instances, Vandy would likely be pushing someone else out, but it wouldn't be one of the biggest brands in the sport, who they lost to, who is sitting there with 3-4 top 10 wins. 

I wasn't saying that. I was saying that I would personally rather watch that. 

I think a 10-2 Texas and Vandy final record is impossible since that was a hypothetical situation explaining how Ohio State loss isn't impacting Texas. 

Texas just needs to win out, anything else requires a lot of chaos and help from other teams stepping on their dicks. 

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2 minutes ago, BigHornedLurker said:

It's funny how that looks now versus end of the year. Texas has played its 3 shitty non-cons already and has 2 big games in prime time plus a rivalry game remaining.

-Tennessee's had some big games already, but they still have Kentucky and NMSU left plus Vandy. The Vandy game will be watched, but that game will have a lot of competition and the other two games will be viewership dogshit.

-Bama's Eastern Illinois match-up, as brave and daunting as it is, will have SECN+ viewership to average in to the overall number.

-UGA still has Charlotte (SECN).

-Ohio State will get the Michigan game boost, but UCLA and Rutgers are more anchors to the OSU numbers in the steaming pile of shit that is the Big 10.

The top brands in the league are all going to wind up around the same average, and ahead of the rest of the sport, including Ohio State. 

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I didn’t say a word in my post about seedings. I said “rankings.” And Ohio State easily made it into the playoffs, they were ranked at 6 in the final CFP ranking before the playoffs. You just made up the fact that they barely got in;” that team wasn’t even the lowest ranked Big Ten team. The 8-12 ranked teams last year were all pretty flawed. None of them advanced to the semifinals. (Well, Alabama didn’t get an invite). 
 

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11 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I didn’t say a word in my post about seedings. I said “rankings.” And Ohio State easily made it into the playoffs, they were ranked at 6 in the final CFP ranking before the playoffs. You just made up the fact that they barely got in;” that team wasn’t even the lowest ranked Big Ten team. The 8-12 ranked teams last year were all pretty flawed. None of them advanced to the semifinals. (Well, Alabama didn’t get an invite). 
 

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Cool. AreaCode PitBull thinks that parity isn't a factor in CFB going forward and that we may never see a seed worse than 9 win the title. All we can do is watch and point and laugh from here when it happens, or when it doesn't.

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35 minutes ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

This Florida team would prison rape that Northern Illinois squad if both teams played at their best. Florida has 10x more talent than NIU and frankly, they have the dogs to compete with the best teams in the country (see the UGA/Texas games). They just are undisciplined and lazy and cant put it all together except for a few times this season... So they lose to bad teams. Let's not act like they are some dogshit team and we lost to McNeese State. They can beat and lose to anyone depending on what Florida team shows up.  

That sounds like the ol SECSECSEC mantra and hyping up every dogshit team in the conference. They are terrible. Even terrible teams can play good here and there but their record speaks for itself. We made their QB and offense look extremely efficient. Terrible loss. 

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41 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

 

None of us know who the committee would pick between 10-2 Vandy and 9-3 Texas. The eyeballs would drive that decision. If anyone is actually taking the position that 10-2 Vandy gets in over 10-2 Texas, they haven't been paying attention. In both instances, Vandy would likely be pushing someone else out, but it wouldn't be one of the biggest brands in the sport, who they lost to, who is sitting there with 3-4 top 10 wins. 

I think the 10-2 Vandy vs. 9-3 Texas would be fascinating.   I don't think current "playoff" eyeballs that would be the debate in the room as much as the bigger picture "eyeballs" with non-conference inventory and whether to give Texas the nod to encourage difficult OOC matchups. As we know TX-OSU is highest rated game of the year to date.  Klatt had a segment on this I thought was pretty interesting.  He said flat out there is a lot of 'back room' pressure not to punish teams for losing tough OOC games so the leagues and networks get the matchups they want.  He said at some point there was a model floated where 'points' are assigned for wins/losses to determine playoffs and in that model, for example, Texas would have gotten more "points" for losing to OSU than blowing out a directional school.   10-2 Vandy vs. 9-3 Texas would be perfect scenario to put that to the test and the Committee would always have the excuse to just claim H2H was the driver of slotting TX ahead.

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27 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

That sounds like the ol SECSECSEC mantra and hyping up every dogshit team in the conference. They are terrible. Even terrible teams can play good here and there but their record speaks for itself. We made their QB and offense look extremely efficient. Terrible loss. 

It's not and you know it. NIU and Florida have different athletes. If we were comparing a Clemson and Florida squad, that would be more apt, because the players are at least similar. 

17 minutes ago, Skipper said:

I think the 10-2 Vandy vs. 9-3 Texas would be fascinating.   I don't think current "playoff" eyeballs that would be the debate in the room as much as the bigger picture "eyeballs" with non-conference inventory and whether to give Texas the nod to encourage difficult OOC matchups. As we know TX-OSU is highest rated game of the year to date.  Klatt had a segment on this I thought was pretty interesting.  He said flat out there is a lot of 'back room' pressure not to punish teams for losing tough OOC games so the leagues and networks get the matchups they want.  He said at some point there was a model floated where 'points' are assigned for wins/losses to determine playoffs and in that model, for example, Texas would have gotten more "points" for losing to OSU than blowing out a directional school.   10-2 Vandy vs. 9-3 Texas would be perfect scenario to put that to the test and the Committee would always have the excuse to just claim H2H was the driver of slotting TX ahead.

I like the cut of your jib!

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3 hours ago, immamac said:

#10 ranked Texas is being punished for losing to dogshit Florida. #1 Texas going to the swamp and losing to unranked Florida drops them and then beyond that they get leapfrogged by everyone else who has performed well. I don't think there's much of a difference in 8-1 Texas and 7-2 Texas from a ranking perspective maybe ahead of ND with only 1 loss, but still not ahead of TTU Georgia etc.

Texas isn't being punished for OSU loss and if they drop 2 in the SEC they will be the first in with 2 losses. 

Alabama has a worse loss and didn't play #1.  We should be ranked right next to them if this were true.

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21 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Cool. AreaCode PitBull thinks that parity isn't a factor in CFB going forward and that we may never see a seed worse than 9 win the title. All we can do is watch and point and laugh from here when it happens, or when it doesn't.

Using seeding as the metric decreases the chance it will happen now that the committee uses straight seeding. The lower seeds had a better chance under the old format.
 

 This year the 10-12 seeds WILL include a G5 team, an ACC team, and maybe a 2nd place Big XII, fourth place Big Ten, or 5th place SEC team in those spots. Which one has a decent shot over the SEC/Big Ten top six plus ND and Tech over four games?  BYU? Georgia Tech? Pitt? Virginia? JMU?  USF? 
 

Maybe Texas has the roster to make that run if they play at their best with no coaching errors. Or if Tech if weirdness happens to strike in the CCG and they fall this far. Either will have very, very long odds. If a 10-2 ND falls this far, maybe they can.
 

You and I both know the G5 and ACC do not have NC winners in them. You’re staking your argument on the very last of P2/Big XII/ND to get in running through four games versus teams that finished ahead of them. Possible? It will happen eventually. Very unlikely any given year? Yes. 

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