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Posted (edited)
2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Probably because we don't win as much as they do.

Years we suck aren’t the issue. 2008 is a perfect example. OU playing like dog shit this weekend not even discussed while Texas is railroaded for bad wins. Notre Dame has zero quality wins, Bama gets credit for beating a talented Auburn team that sucks ass and has no coach. There’s no BOMC that’s shit made up by the Aggies.  Texas is objectively the sixth best team this year and nope outside looking in while a defense only team in OU is rewarded. Fuck that noise. 

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4 hours ago, Drew said:

ND is out if BYU wins. That’ll shut up Miami boosters and they get off Scott free. 
 

just like keeping Texas out due to 3 losses. 

I think this is correct. And it would be some sweet karma for us to knock ND out of the playoffs.

And even if BYU loses, but it's a close one, would they take BYU just to solve the ND/Miami/Texas Gordian Knot and it's easier to explain?

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Posted
13 minutes ago, Crockett said:

And BYU played a P4 schedule, not a G5 one. 

They just need to be Texas Tech, and they are in the playoffs, they should stop being lil bitches. 

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1 minute ago, scramblyn said:

Years we suck aren’t the issue. 2008 is a perfect example. OU playing like dog shit this weekend not even discussed while Texas is railroaded for bad wins. Notre Dame has zero quality wins, Bama gets credit for beating a talented Auburn team that sucks ass and has no coach. There’s no BOMC that’s shit made up by the Aggies. 

I wonder if we'd get the benefit of the doubt if we had two losses like Alabama and Notre Dame.

It's a mystery.

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Posted (edited)
4 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

I wonder if we'd get the benefit of the doubt if we had two losses like Alabama and Notre Dame.

It's a mystery.

I’ve said many times is it best record or best teams? The guiding principles and the talk suggest best teams. 

Its not. it’s best records case closed not a mystery. Adjust accordingly. 

I’m fine with being out I’m not okay with bullshit messaging and then doing something else. 

as played on the field with a 3-2 record among elite competition, Texas is the 6th best team. Use an NFL style approach and look at league standings and by either OBJECTIVE measure Texas is in by a WIDE margin even with 3 losses.

take the top 10 with the best records and let’s go. That’s the deal stop saying it isn’t. Fucking talking head morons. 

roll with the 9 game schedule and fuck Notre dame and the rest of the quality OCC games to hell. They aren’t worth it. Awesome for the fans and the sports yay us! 

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3 minutes ago, F250 said:

someone GIF

I’ll quit this shit in a day or two but right now I’m fucking pissed. Objectively Texas is 6th. How the fuck you can say the 5th team in the SEC standings and a team with a 3-2 record against elite competition is out when most play off teams only played 1 or 2 elite teams to begin with and most with even or losing records against said competition is beyond fucking me.
 

But scram it’s the three losses, and Florida.

No is it record or is it best teams because for one Florida matters and Texas is out and for the other Texas is busting doors down and wrecking shit up in the playoffs as an elite top 5-6 team.

just be fucking consistent say what you do and do what you say. This committtee is so full of shit. 

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Posted
8 minutes ago, scramblyn said:

I’ve said many times is it best record or best teams? The guiding principles and the talk suggest best teams. 

Its not. it’s best records case closed not a mystery. Adjust accordingly. 

I’m fine with being out I’m not okay with bullshit messaging and then doing something else. 

as played on the field with a 3-2 record among elite competition, Texas is the 6th best team. Use an NFL style approach and look at league standings and by either OBJECTIVE measure Texas is in by a WIDE margin even with 3 losses.

take the top 10 with the best records and let’s go. That’s the deal stop saying it isn’t. Fucking talking head morons. 

roll with the 9 game schedule and fuck Notre dame and the rest of the quality OCC games to hell. They aren’t worth it. Awesome for the fans and the sports yay us! 

College football is silly. Everyone knows it. 

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Posted (edited)
33 minutes ago, scramblyn said:

Bama gets credit for beating a talented Auburn team that sucks ass and has no coach.

I'm sure I'm missing some of your logic somewhere - but just to re-iterate, 'bama had back-to-back x2 wins over ranked opponents this year.

Two of the four were overrated, but I mean... so is A&M.
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47 minutes ago, Crockett said:

And BYU played a P4 schedule, not a G5 one. 


Here you go Texas, your reason to keep scheduling good OOC

Yes, BYU has a chance to play their way in but why should they have to? Why aren’t they already on the 10 line and ND on the cut line?
The difference between ND(10-2) and BYU(11-1) that has the Catholics ahead of the Mormons seems to be - ND’s LOSSES!!

Keep in mind, neither of these schedules is an SEC schedule so that argument isn’t a factor

10-2
@ MIAMI (L) - #12
A&M (L) - #7
Purdue
@ Arkansas
Boise
NCSU
USC - #16
@ BC
Navy
@Pitt 
Cuse
@ Stanford

11-1
Portland St
Stanford
@ E Carolina
@ Colorado
WVU
@ Arizona - #18
Utah -  #15
@ Iowa St
@ TxTech (L) - #4
TCU
@Cincy
UCF

….ok, I’m a realist, it’s the sticker on the helmet that

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6 hours ago, dcar00 said:

there is nothing on ND's resume that is better than Texas except for the loss column.   we even beat both common opponents and you didn't.

There are several things, like squeakers over losing teams.

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Posted (edited)
8 hours ago, notre dame joe said:

The computers say otherwise.  Unless you look at a binary Win=1 Loss=0, you will notice that we only played two close games against good teams and lost each in the final 30 seconds.  The other ten wins ranged from decisive to blowout. 

You lost to the two teams on your schedule that could fog a mirror.  You didn't beat anybody. 

Cancel the ND game and never schedule them again. 

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Posted (edited)
11 hours ago, JOSEYWALES66 said:

I don’t think they will have two rematches in the first round.  I think that will probably change 

Maybe if both results flip in the rematches people will stop holding head-to-head wins by less than a fg as sacrosant trumps over the rest of the resume and recognize them as the coin flips they usually are.

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Texas fans, before going all in on “shitty OOC schedules are the way,” take a beat and note that a 10-2 SEC (Vandy) team is almost certain to miss the CFP this year, and a second one (Bama) still might. As of now, you’re ahead of Vandy to sneak in. 
 

There’s really no way around an unbalanced super league occasionally producing a jumble of teams with 1-2 losses in conference play and the SEC is simply not going to get half or more of the field. All you are doing is guaranteeing yourself a shitty slate of games in exchange for a perceived benefit that might not exist at all. 
 

There’s not a lot of hard evidence that the OSU loss is really hurting Texas here and quite a bit of counter evidence that it isn’t. And on the flip slide: winning that game would have placed you as the safest 2 loss team in the field. 

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12 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Texas fans, before going all in on “shitty OOC schedules are the way,” take a beat and note that a 10-2 SEC (Vandy) team is almost certain to miss the CFP this year, and a second one (Bama) still might. As of now, you’re ahead of Vandy to sneak in. 
 

There’s really no way around an unbalanced super league occasionally producing a jumble of teams with 1-2 losses in conference play and the SEC is simply not going to get half or more of the field. All you are doing is guaranteeing yourself a shitty slate of games in exchange for a perceived benefit that might not exist at all. 
 

There’s not a lot of hard evidence that the OSU loss is really hurting Texas here and quite a bit of counter evidence that it isn’t. And on the flip slide: winning that game would have placed you as the safest 2 loss team in the field. 

For me it’s more about cancelling Notre Dame. Other tough OOC games at least have the potential of the other team being punished for the loss as well. Notre Dame is all risk for us, but Domers won’t get punished. No upside for playing them. With our SEC schedule doing heavy lifting (especially in even years), I wouldn’t hate cancelling other ones as well though. 

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Posted

In addition to its own computer ranking system, Massey also collects data from many other computer ranking systems to create a composite ranking.

I find it useful for 2 reasons: (1) it points me to other ranking systems an (2) it shows the overall range across the ranking systems.

For the CFB top-6, I see the following range (composite ranking in parens)
1 - tOSU (1) : 1-3
2 - Indiana (2) : 1-9
3 - UGA (5): 2-12
4 - TTU (4) : 1 - 11
5 - Oregon (3) : 3-14
6 - Ole Miss (9): 4-18

UND (6): 2-14
BYU (7): 2-25
Texas (16): 10-27

Fwiw.

Also - I had forgotten about the Billingsley system.  I like it, but largely because it rewards Texas :)

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Posted
5 hours ago, BluTechsan said:

Guess they didn’t have room to squeeze #11 onto the graphic

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BYU is gonna get left out after they lose to Tech. They're just setting the stage.

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6 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

BYU is gonna get left out after they lose to Tech. They're just setting the stage.

Not that it will matter. 

But the narrative is shaping up well for BYU. No one giving them a chance it the game. No one giving them a chance to even make the playoffs. 

CHIP ON THE SHOULDER: CHECK

 

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1 minute ago, TheYoungHorn said:

Not that it will matter. 

But the narrative is shaping up well for BYU. No one giving them a chance it the game. No one giving them a chance to even make the playoffs. 

CHIP ON THE SHOULDER: CHECK

What's the line in the Big 12 Championship? I'd take Tech and lay -9.5.

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9 hours ago, 'stache said:

Agree. Seeding is fair game. And once Bama ended up first in the SEC standings winning the four way tiebreaker on conference strength of schedule it was enough to put them in the field and guarantee them a spot. If they lose to UGA it’s a perfect reason to swap them with ND to avoid the rematches. And aggy gets to show its true ass when bama blows them out.

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Has aggy put this conference championship on their stadium wall yet?

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Posted
6 hours ago, BluTechsan said:

Guess they didn’t have room to squeeze #11 onto the graphic

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22 minutes ago, TheYoungHorn said:

Not that it will matter. 

But the narrative is shaping up well for BYU. No one giving them a chance it the game. No one giving them a chance to even make the playoffs. 

CHIP ON THE SHOULDER: CHECK

 

Yup. No one is giving us a chance. We've been doubted and underdogs in most games this year. We just secured our beloved coach. Our team is much healthier this time around. This team wants this rematch. Tech is a very good team and I think they will do some damage in the CFP, but don't be too surprised if BYU pulls the upset Saturday. 

 

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Texas fans, before going all in on “shitty OOC schedules are the way,” take a beat and note that a 10-2 SEC (Vandy) team is almost certain to miss the CFP this year, and a second one (Bama) still might. As of now, you’re ahead of Vandy to sneak in. 
 

There’s really no way around an unbalanced super league occasionally producing a jumble of teams with 1-2 losses in conference play and the SEC is simply not going to get half or more of the field. All you are doing is guaranteeing yourself a shitty slate of games in exchange for a perceived benefit that might not exist at all. 
 

There’s not a lot of hard evidence that the OSU loss is really hurting Texas here and quite a bit of counter evidence that it isn’t. And on the flip slide: winning that game would have placed you as the safest 2 loss team in the field. 

The way I see it is that losing the game will almost always cost you 4 spots (it's probably costing us 5 spots this year), and winning it maybe gives you two spots if SOS is an actual determinant.  It starts to make sense to play an OOC game where you are a 7-point favorite (75% chance to win).

So if you think are the best team in the nation, you want to schedule like a Pittsburgh at best.

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Posted
7 hours ago, BluTechsan said:


Here you go Texas, your reason to keep scheduling good OOC

Yes, BYU has a chance to play their way in but why should they have to? Why aren’t they already on the 10 line and ND on the cut line?
The difference between ND(10-2) and BYU(11-1) that has the Catholics ahead of the Mormons seems to be - ND’s LOSSES!!

Keep in mind, neither of these schedules is an SEC schedule so that argument isn’t a factor

10-2
@ MIAMI (L) - #12
A&M (L) - #7
Purdue
@ Arkansas
Boise
NCSU
USC - #16
@ BC
Navy
@Pitt 
Cuse
@ Stanford

11-1
Portland St
Stanford
@ E Carolina
@ Colorado
WVU
@ Arizona - #18
Utah -  #15
@ Iowa St
@ TxTech (L) - #4
TCU
@Cincy
UCF

….ok, I’m a realist, it’s the sticker on the helmet that

I know its a big what if but, what is everyone's guess if Texas played either of these schedules this year?  I see 11-1 with the ND schedule (figure Miami or USC trips us up) and 12-0 or 11-1 with the BYU schedule (maybe Tech beats us at Tech).  How can you compare any teams in college football with such different schedules and conferences if you just look at wins and losses.

 

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I get why the CFP gets the best group of 5 team in, but really, it is such a waste. What the CFP should actually look like (best teams) IMO:

1. Ohio State (I think they are the clear #1)
2. Indiana (We will see what they are made of this weekend)
3. Georgia (Crazy, they killed us and I still think this might be too high)
4. Oregon (Kind of "unknown"...but, Oregon never wins it)
5. Ole Miss (Will missing Kiffin hurt?)
6. Texas A&M (I thought we were going to lose to them. They are still a good team IMO)
7. Alabama (Has the ability to beat whoever they play)
8. Texas (Jekyll and Hyde all year...but, there is no way in HELL BYU, James Madison, etc etc are better)
9. Notre Dame (I put them lower but think they can make some playoff noise.)
10. Texas Tech (I think the most overrated Top-4 team all time.)
11. Oklahoma (Their defense puts them here.)
12. Vanderbilt (Gotta put Pavia in to see what he can do. Love what Vandy has done the past few years)

 

Posted
4 hours ago, notre dame joe said:

There are several things, like squeakers over losing teams.

yes several things called wins. let me see if I can find a committee metric on "squeakers". oh there isn't.  there is actually a statement that "margin of victory" is not considered.

Posted
1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Texas fans, before going all in on “shitty OOC schedules are the way,” take a beat and note that a 10-2 SEC (Vandy) team is almost certain to miss the CFP this year, and a second one (Bama) still might. As of now, you’re ahead of Vandy to sneak in. 
 

There’s really no way around an unbalanced super league occasionally producing a jumble of teams with 1-2 losses in conference play and the SEC is simply not going to get half or more of the field. All you are doing is guaranteeing yourself a shitty slate of games in exchange for a perceived benefit that might not exist at all. 
 

There’s not a lot of hard evidence that the OSU loss is really hurting Texas here and quite a bit of counter evidence that it isn’t. And on the flip slide: winning that game would have placed you as the safest 2 loss team in the field. 

If Texas wants to schedule blue bloods f4om other conferences, fine.  But no conference blue blood should every schedule ND for a regular session game again.  Fuck the Papists.

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Posted
8 hours ago, David Dennison said:

I wonder if we'd get the benefit of the doubt if we had two losses like Alabama and Notre Dame.

It's a mystery.

They would.  Because it's 2 losses vs 3. it's that fucking simple.

1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Texas fans, before going all in on “shitty OOC schedules are the way,” take a beat and note that a 10-2 SEC (Vandy) team is almost certain to miss the CFP this year, and a second one (Bama) still might. As of now, you’re ahead of Vandy to sneak in. 
 

There’s really no way around an unbalanced super league occasionally producing a jumble of teams with 1-2 losses in conference play and the SEC is simply not going to get half or more of the field. All you are doing is guaranteeing yourself a shitty slate of games in exchange for a perceived benefit that might not exist at all. 
 

There’s not a lot of hard evidence that the OSU loss is really hurting Texas here and quite a bit of counter evidence that it isn’t. And on the flip slide: winning that game would have placed you as the safest 2 loss team in the field. 

Yes because Vandy's schedule wasn't that good when they lost to the 2 best teams they played, and only beat a ranked Tennessee...and maybe Mizzou was ranked too?

Texas on name brand, and a 2-2 record vs the top 10(minus OSU) gets in this field every time. Especially with a win against OU(we'd have to be above them)

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1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Texas fans, before going all in on “shitty OOC schedules are the way,” take a beat and note that a 10-2 SEC (Vandy) team is almost certain to miss the CFP this year, and a second one (Bama) still might. As of now, you’re ahead of Vandy to sneak in. 
 

There’s really no way around an unbalanced super league occasionally producing a jumble of teams with 1-2 losses in conference play and the SEC is simply not going to get half or more of the field. All you are doing is guaranteeing yourself a shitty slate of games in exchange for a perceived benefit that might not exist at all. 
 

There’s not a lot of hard evidence that the OSU loss is really hurting Texas here and quite a bit of counter evidence that it isn’t. And on the flip slide: winning that game would have placed you as the safest 2 loss team in the field. 

counterpoint: they are Vandy

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Posted
7 hours ago, BluTechsan said:

Guess they didn’t have room to squeeze #11 onto the graphic

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it is just so obvious.  the moving us over Vandy is obvious so they could say us and Vandy were comparable and use H2H and "show" that it isn't about loss column.  this is so fucking ridiculous.  showing us against ND and Miami would make them look like dumbasses for not putting us in.

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2 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

it is just so obvious.  the moving us over Vandy is obvious so they could say us and Vandy were comparable and use H2H and "show" that it isn't about loss column.  this is so fucking ridiculous.  showing us against ND and Miami would make them look like dumbasses for not putting us in.

Yep, this whole thing has been a rigjob to keep Texas out and put ND in. They dont want to get accused of SEC bias so they are distracting everyone with the shiny object, the Miami vs ND discussion. They might have to sacrifice ND though next week when BYU loses. 

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11 hours ago, notre dame joe said:

The computers say otherwise.  Unless you look at a binary Win=1 Loss=0, you will notice that we only played two close games against good teams and lost each in the final 30 seconds.  The other ten wins ranged from decisive to blowout. 

Take it to the TexAgs' Quality Loss = Win board.

 

9 hours ago, scramblyn said:

Not at all, no such thing, just ask Billy Sims and Barry Switzer. Texas does not get the benefit of the doubt like Bama, OU and Notre Dame. This is well documented not just this year.

Take it to the TexAgs' E'erbody Wants to Keep Us Down board.

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10 minutes ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

Yep, this whole thing has been a rigjob to keep Texas out and put ND in. They dont want to get accused of SEC bias so they are distracting everyone with the shiny object, the Miami vs ND discussion. They might have to sacrifice ND though next week when BYU loses. 

yep.  I think someone upthread mentioned ND was sending packets out to media also.  They knew what was coming because they didn't beat anyone worth a shit.

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21 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

yep.  I think someone upthread mentioned ND was sending packets out to media also.  They knew what was coming because they didn't beat anyone worth a shit.

I think the Committee might try and put ND in front of Bama after Bama loses and then Miami will finish 11. That will avoid the pesky head to head discussion. 

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Just now, The_Great_Hornsby said:

I think the Committee might try and put ND in front of Bama after Bama loses and then Miami will finish 11. That will avoid the pesky head to head discussion. 

Well they kind of have to, since the fucking idiot at Arkansas said they only apply the H2H when teams are ranked next to each other.  They need to put some distance between ND and Miami so they can claim H2H doesn't matter because the teams aren't side by side anymore.

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Posted (edited)

One thing I haven't seen discussed by the talking heads is that we did not play a true home game the entire month of October.  (@ the swamp, OU in Dallas, @starkville, @bourbon trail).   I don't believe any other team had a stretch like that, and if they did, did they come out of it 3-1 or better? 

A team playing their best ball of the season, truly road tested and a winning record vs top-13 (as currently ranked).  Dumb not to be included. 

I still love the tough non-con games, and cancelling them for being left out this year will be short-sighted because inevitably the process will change.  Keep tOSU and UM.  That said, I am absolutely in favor of canceling the future ND games to send a message to this and future committees.  ND has done NOTHING to deserve a top 10 ranking.  

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2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Well they kind of have to, since the fucking idiot at Arkansas said they only apply the H2H when teams are ranked next to each other.  They need to put some distance between ND and Miami so they can claim H2H doesn't matter because the teams aren't side by side anymore.

This committee has no courage. The committee that put Bama and Texas in over FSU had courage. This is the worst committee I have seen. A bunch of yokels with no gumption or football knowledge. 

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3 minutes ago, MIkeHoncho said:

One thing I haven't seen discussed by the talking heads is that we did not play a true home game the entire month of October.  (@ the swamp, OU in Dallas, @starkville, @bourbon trail).   I don't believe any other team had a stretch like that, and if they did, did they come out of it 3-1 or better? 

Sorry my man, Slorch says that's just asking for sympathy and whining. 

Some SEC schools didn't play 2 consecutive games away from home.  We played 4 games away from home in a row. 

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1 minute ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

This committee has no courage. The committee that put Bama and Texas in over FSU had courage. This is the worst committee I have seen. A bunch of yokels with no gumption or football knowledge. 

You cannot and should not take anything they say at face value, because they have no principles and no courage. 

It sure feels like they walked into the room on Sunday morning, immediately said here's the 12 teams we want in the playoff, and then began to work backwards to justify those teams.  

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The committee made this process null and void after putting ND over Miami.  You can certainly tear down other aspects of how they came to their "standings" but that is just out right dumbfuckery.  I wonder how much money got mixed in with info packets from The Vatican.  Committee are like the adults from Peanuts cartoons (Wa wa waaa wa wa wa waaa) except the adults from the cartoons make more sense.

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Vandy and Notre Dame have very comparable resumes.  Won the games they should.  Lost two games above them.  Vandy edges ND in my SOR, but it's not by much.

Vandy has better wins, but ND has better losses.

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10 hours ago, Crockett said:

And BYU played a P4 schedule, not a G5 one. 

That’s going to be pretty common going forward. With mega conference scheduling there just won’t be as many losses in conference. I mean, SEC ended the year with four one loss teams. Add in that 2 loss BIG/SEC now = 1 loss XII/ACC it’s just how it’s gonna be. 

Also and probably more important, the “11 win” metric is dumb. For decades teams played 10 games or less. Until pretty recently 11 games were the norm so yeah an 11 win team would mean undefeated and surely top 10.

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Posted
2 hours ago, Carl Spackler said:

Has aggy put this conference championship on their stadium wall yet?

they wouldn't dare try

they got away with it in '12 when we were the only ones pointing out the wall shenanigan

they've been exposed now - the whole league now knows what they are about - and they would get flame-broiled for trying

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11 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

they wouldn't dare try

they got away with it in '12 when we were the only ones pointing out the wall shenanigan

they've been exposed now - the whole league now knows what they are about - and they would get flame-broiled for trying

You say that like there's something wrong with flame-broiling...

Posted
14 hours ago, JOSEYWALES66 said:

I don’t think they will have two rematches in the first round.  I think that will probably change 

Haven't they said they don't move teams that aren't playing this weekend? So Oregon-OM-ATM-OU are pretty much set in that order, right? Unless Bama or BYU jumps in the middle of them somewhere. 

Posted
36 minutes ago, JBJ said:

Vandy and Notre Dame have very comparable resumes.  Won the games they should.  Lost two games above them.  Vandy edges ND in my SOR, but it's not by much.

Vandy has better wins, but ND has better losses.

Vandy's losses are on the road to Texas and Bama. ND is home vs ATM and at Miami. Pretty damn similar.

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