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14 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

yeah, last year I was down in FL, on my (very rich) buddy's yacht. His captain, an otherwise pretty nice guy, said something to me along the lines of "it's a shame about California...with Newsom running it into the ground".

Dude, what the fucking fuck did you just say? I've lived here 6 decades and it's pretty fucking great. Not perfect by any measure, but still pretty great.

He acted a tad embarrassed, truly. "Well, that's what we're hearing down here in Florida".

I told him that he and his wife should visit, and I'd give them the guest suite in our home and show him around.

He'll never come.

Yeah well he should hear what people say about Florida.

4 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Zohrdon Trumdani making his move

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so exactly what many of the resident leftists have been screeching for...right?

Can't wait for the protests.

38 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

My experience with shitposters and edgelords of all types is that it’s only shitposting until the Overton Window shifts.

Mamdani will succeed or fail based on whether the technocrats or ideologues win battles throughout the institutions. Law and public safety will be most important because success in delivering any public service— transit, housing, public facilities, parks, education— is downstream of safety and order. This is incidentally where the only moderately competent communists and hard-leftists have course corrected and managed to deliver a few wins, and where most western hard-leftists wreck themselves.

Nobody can seem to agree if these leftists are going to create a police state that is going to kill millions or a lawless anarchism.

In any case I am just hoping to see some new ideas of actually addressing these social ills. Anybody, left right or center, will flounder if they focus on ideology rather than the practicalities of addressing these problems. Just attempting to do anything at all seems to require some pretty radical politics these days for whatever reason.

5 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

so exactly what many of the resident leftists have been screeching for...right?

Can't wait for the protests.

yes, it's exactly what "leftists" have been wanting.

And it's 100% counter to the philosophy of "conservatives", but you motherfuckers have no compass whatsoever, so you'll abandon your principles to do whatever the cult leader says.

i don't live in NYC and neither does anybody here having a tantrum over...whatever. 🙄 most of the fear mongers wouldn't even visit regardless.

NYC citizens elected him, by a landslide in today's climate.

1 minute ago, Gil Bang said:

yes, it's exactly what "leftists" have been wanting.

And it's 100% counter to the philosophy of "conservatives", but you motherfuckers have no compass whatsoever, so you'll abandon your principles to do whatever the cult leader says.

*see also, raping children

1 minute ago, Valmy77 said:

Nobody can seem to agree if these leftists are going to create a police state that is going to kill millions or a lawless anarchism.

In any case I am just hoping to see some new ideas of actually addressing these social ills. Anybody, left right or center, will flounder if they focus on ideology rather than the practicalities of addressing these problems. Just attempting to do anything at all seems to require some pretty radical politics these days for whatever reason.

Well, the mayor of NYC doesn’t have the levers to create a police state. He does have plenty of levers to really fuck up law and order and there’s a track record of the far left doing exactly that at the local levels.

There are also perverse incentives to do it because creating structural change in things like real estate and housing markets is hard and you run into extremely powerful equities capable of pushing back but you can rack up quick “wins” with things like tweaking enforcement priorities.

1 minute ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Well, the mayor of NYC doesn’t have the levers to create a police state. He does have plenty of levers to really fuck up law and order and there’s a track record of the far left doing exactly that at the local levels.

There are also perverse incentives to do it because creating structural change in things like real estate and housing markets is hard and you run into extremely powerful equities capable of pushing back but you can rack up quick “wins” with things like tweaking enforcement priorities.

Where has the far left done this? I presume you are referring to some place in Europe though we did have socialist mayors of cities like Milwaukee back in the day. It has been awhile since we have had anybody even pretending to be a far leftist in a position of power around these parts. So I don't really see a track record of knowing exactly what they are going to do. Well I guess Bernie Sanders was mayor of some place in Vermont.

But I find your second sentence more interesting. It sounds like you are not so much talking about public safety as regulation enforcement?

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3 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

Where has the far left done this?

Have you been to a major West Coast city in the last 5 years?

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3 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Have you been to a major West Coast city in the last 5 years?

L.A. on pace to see lowest homicide total in nearly 60 years as killings  plummet - Los Angeles Times

Crime Trends in California - Public Policy Institute of California

Crime in Los Angeles in four charts - Crosstown

Crime in Los Angeles in four charts - Crosstown

How murders in Los Angeles compare with the rest of California

OC] Perception of Crime in US Cities vs. Actual Murder Rates :  r/dataisbeautiful

Edited by Foosters

10 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Have you been to a major West Coast city in the last 5 years?

Dude, get the fuck out of your bubble.

2 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Dude, get the fuck out of your bubble.

Have you been to a major West Coast city in the last 5 years?

2 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Have you been to a major West Coast city in the last 5 years?

Quite literally all of them. And if San Diego is considered major, I also live in one.

we need a captcha for dumb humans. fuck asking if i'm a robot. find out how fucking susceptible to misinformation someone is before allowing them on the internet. ffs

Just now, aggie08 said:

Quite literally all of them. And if San Diego is considered major, I also live in one.

Is your position that San Diego, LA, SF, Portland and Seattle haven't had a safety issue the last 5 years? I've been to all 5 multiple times each year and sure there is a ebb and flow but its absurd to claim the downtown areas of each of those cities is on par with PreCovid

ope

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I think Overton Window could use a pretty stiff nudge to the left. 🤷‍♀️

6 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Is your position that San Diego, LA, SF, Portland and Seattle haven't had a safety issue the last 5 years? I've been to all 5 multiple times each year and sure there is a ebb and flow but its absurd to claim the downtown areas of each of those cities is on par with PreCovid

...yet, after the post Floyd and lockdown spikes, absolutely none of the data supports that. In general, it's safer to live in a city now than it has been for 50+ years. And, in general, urban is almost always safer than rural per capita.

But you come into "leftist" cities with preconceived notions that have been drilled into your head, so everything you see--every homeless person you encounter--just adds to the vibes.

Are West Coast cities without their problems (the homeless population being among the biggest ones)? Of course not. But the right wing's obsession with painting LA and Portland as warzones is hilariously transparent.

3 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

...yet, after the post Floyd and lockdown spikes, absolutely none of the data supports that.

You're wrong.

Crime and most specifically property crime absolutely exploded in west coast cities. Some are now posting "great" YOY numbers, but only in relation to absurdity. Specifically SF has made a number of efforts and changes that has much improvement. Portland is still a mess, and quite the ghost town these days. Seattle was doing better but just elected a mayor who is doubling down on social justice criminal reform and will stop sweeping homeless and enforcing public drug use.

Here are a couple of stat links.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/5565409-property-crime-rates-us-cities/

https://www.koin.com/news/portland/portland-has-one-of-the-highest-property-crime-rates-in-the-u-s/

11 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Wait hold on @Incredulity , I want to hear more of your takes about state control over the means of production.

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could you imagine how fast the impeachment hearing would start from the GOP if Obama had written this? But he did wear a tan suit one day and he's black. So there's that.

58 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Well, the mayor of NYC doesn’t have the levers to create a police state. He does have plenty of levers to really fuck up law and order and there’s a track record of the far left doing exactly that at the local levels.

There are also perverse incentives to do it because creating structural change in things like real estate and housing markets is hard and you run into extremely powerful equities capable of pushing back but you can rack up quick “wins” with things like tweaking enforcement priorities.

You think the NYPD gives a fuck what the mayor says?

39 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

Where has the far left done this? I presume you are referring to some place in Europe though we did have socialist mayors of cities like Milwaukee back in the day. It has been awhile since we have had anybody even pretending to be a far leftist in a position of power around these parts. So I don't really see a track record of knowing exactly what they are going to do. Well I guess Bernie Sanders was mayor of some place in Vermont.

But I find your second sentence more interesting. It sounds like you are not so much talking about public safety as regulation enforcement?

Fair enough, as very few people self-identify. What is undeniable is that a host of public officials on the left have done a rhetorical or actual about-face to a more enforcement, law and order-oriented approach.

There is a spectrum between “public safety” and regulation enforcement that is not bright. Many issues are not “safety” in the sense of violence but remain quality of life issues— shoplifting, vandalism, vagrancy, public nuisance. These give an impression of disorder and unpleasantness and people vote with their feet by just avoiding places where this is a problem, and eventually vote with their votes. They can’t just be dismissed as “part of a big city.”

Not even a reactionary issue, Marxists recognized that the lumpenproletariat— vagrants, swindlers, petty criminals, the chronically unemployed, panhandlers, pimps, drunks— lacked class consciousness and did not engage in productive work. Under Communism they were mean to disappear naturally but the theorists were vague on what to do with the extant anti-social elements.

Mao toyed with the idea of using them, but realized their presence negatively polarized the peasantry and so chose to do work and re-education camps. The Soviets passed a host of anti-parasite and anti-hooliganism laws to deal with them and made them either sweep streets or packed them off to penal work colonies. If you talk to people who lived through the collapse, no one really misses the ration cards or government stores. They do bemoan the reappearance of деклассированные элементы into public life and the failure of the new capitalist state to defend the interests of нормальные люди.

I would be fascinated to see someone actually pitch Marxism or an off-shoot. Make shoplifters and vagrants sweep subway stations or something under the watchful eye of baton-wielding militia recruited from the young cadres so they develop an ability to engage in productive work. Not that I’d vote for it. Just that there is a mechanism there to address issues instead of a lot of assurances that more social workers will fix it.

3 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

could you imagine how fast the impeachment hearing would start from the GOP if Obama had written this? But he did wear a tan suit one day and he's black. So there's that.

It’s like Trump woke up today intending to clown on Ignatius.

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13 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Fair enough, as very few people self-identify. What is undeniable is that a host of public officials on the left have done a rhetorical or actual about-face to a more enforcement, law and order-oriented approach.

There is a spectrum between “public safety” and regulation enforcement that is not bright. Many issues are not “safety” in the sense of violence but remain quality of life issues— shoplifting, vandalism, vagrancy, public nuisance. These give an impression of disorder and unpleasantness and people vote with their feet by just avoiding places where this is a problem, and eventually vote with their votes. They can’t just be dismissed as “part of a big city.”

Not even a reactionary issue, Marxists recognized that the lumpenproletariat— vagrants, swindlers, petty criminals, the chronically unemployed, panhandlers, pimps, drunks— lacked class consciousness and did not engage in productive work. Under Communism they were mean to disappear naturally but the theorists were vague on what to do with the extant anti-social elements.

Mao toyed with the idea of using them, but realized their presence negatively polarized the peasantry and so chose to do work and re-education camps. The Soviets passed a host of anti-parasite and anti-hooliganism laws to deal with them and made them either sweep streets or packed them off to penal work colonies. If you talk to people who lived through the collapse, no one really misses the ration cards or government stores. They do bemoan the reappearance of деклассированные элементы into public life and the failure of the new capitalist state to defend the interests of нормальные люди.

I would be fascinated to see someone actually pitch Marxism or an off-shoot. Make shoplifters and vagrants sweep subway stations or something under the watchful eye of baton-wielding militia recruited from the young cadres so they develop an ability to engage in productive work. Not that I’d vote for it. Just that there is a mechanism there to address issues instead of a lot of assurances that more social workers will fix it.

course diss GIF

pffft, this is America, man...we put the "lumpenproletariat" in charge of the country, duh

1 hour ago, Incredulity said:

Is your position that San Diego, LA, SF, Portland and Seattle haven't had a safety issue the last 5 years? I've been to all 5 multiple times each year and sure there is a ebb and flow but its absurd to claim the downtown areas of each of those cities is on par with PreCovid

So, not sure if Houston is a leftist city or not, but I'm in SF 5 days out of the month and NYC 5 days out of the month and IMO and experience in 2025, doing a 12 month lookback, Houston was a bigger craphole. I witnessed and saw more crime, homelessness, mental illness, open air drug use, and disorderly conduct from the Four Seasons / Discovery Gardens all the way to Theatre district and especially in the heart of Fannin / Louisiana / Walker / Texas St's whatever that area is called. Walking at night is like walking in Atlanta at night versus the normalcy of SF/NYC.

1 hour ago, Incredulity said:

You're wrong.

Crime and most specifically property crime absolutely exploded in west coast cities. Some are now posting "great" YOY numbers, but only in relation to absurdity. Specifically SF has made a number of efforts and changes that has much improvement. Portland is still a mess, and quite the ghost town these days. Seattle was doing better but just elected a mayor who is doubling down on social justice criminal reform and will stop sweeping homeless and enforcing public drug use.

Here are a couple of stat links.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/5565409-property-crime-rates-us-cities/

https://www.koin.com/news/portland/portland-has-one-of-the-highest-property-crime-rates-in-the-u-s/

Those links aren't really making the argument you think you're making.

1 hour ago, Incredulity said:

Is your position that San Diego, LA, SF, Portland and Seattle haven't had a safety issue the last 5 years? I've been to all 5 multiple times each year and sure there is a ebb and flow but its absurd to claim the downtown areas of each of those cities is on par with PreCovid

Maybe you should be looking at Birmingham, or Jackson, MS, or Baton Rouge. They're all much worse than any city you listed.

LOL, nice try with your stats and anecdotes. He has full blown CDS (California Derangement Syndrome). He was told that blue state cities are lawless murder havens and red state cities are clean safe utopias and you'll never convince him otherwise. Like all magats he's incapable of any form of indpendent thought. I too have been to SF, Seattle, and Portland a few times over the last several years. I jogged past a large homeless encampment in Portland at night more than once and got a beer near there during late hours and was never hassled once. I was also in NYC last year and there were some rough characters but again wasn't once hassled, the guy who tried to sell us coke was actually pretty cool and talked with us for a minute before getting back to work. I get hassled regularly for change at the downtown QT here in my red state utopia and saw a methhead zombying around an intersection dropping my kid of at school this morning. I swear, these people are the biggest bunch of dickless pussies when it comes to big ol scary cities.

2 hours ago, Incredulity said:

Have you been to a major West Coast city in the last 5 years?

Yes, I actually moved to Downtown LA, and it has been a great time here. You have no idea what you are talking about

Just now, Zepol87 said:

Yes, I actually moved to Downtown LA, and it has been a great time here. You have no idea what you are talking about

Good Talk Russ GIF by Winkel

15 minutes ago, Zepol87 said:

Yes, I actually moved to Downtown LA, and it has been a great time here. You have no idea what you are talking about

You need to watch more Fox News so you can be a bitch made little pussy about everything like Incredulous.

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3 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Fair enough, as very few people self-identify. What is undeniable is that a host of public officials on the left have done a rhetorical or actual about-face to a more enforcement, law and order-oriented approach.

There is a spectrum between “public safety” and regulation enforcement that is not bright. Many issues are not “safety” in the sense of violence but remain quality of life issues— shoplifting, vandalism, vagrancy, public nuisance. These give an impression of disorder and unpleasantness and people vote with their feet by just avoiding places where this is a problem, and eventually vote with their votes. They can’t just be dismissed as “part of a big city.”

Not even a reactionary issue, Marxists recognized that the lumpenproletariat— vagrants, swindlers, petty criminals, the chronically unemployed, panhandlers, pimps, drunks— lacked class consciousness and did not engage in productive work. Under Communism they were mean to disappear naturally but the theorists were vague on what to do with the extant anti-social elements.

Mao toyed with the idea of using them, but realized their presence negatively polarized the peasantry and so chose to do work and re-education camps. The Soviets passed a host of anti-parasite and anti-hooliganism laws to deal with them and made them either sweep streets or packed them off to penal work colonies. If you talk to people who lived through the collapse, no one really misses the ration cards or government stores. They do bemoan the reappearance of деклассированные элементы into public life and the failure of the new capitalist state to defend the interests of нормальные люди.

I would be fascinated to see someone actually pitch Marxism or an off-shoot. Make shoplifters and vagrants sweep subway stations or something under the watchful eye of baton-wielding militia recruited from the young cadres so they develop an ability to engage in productive work. Not that I’d vote for it. Just that there is a mechanism there to address issues instead of a lot of assurances that more social workers will fix it.

Ok I don't think our current day American socialists are actually Marxists, at least in the 100 years ago sense, and want this kind of revolutionary state.

At least I consider myself somebody who wants a return to the spirit of the New Deal, back to coming together as a community (collective?) and handle issues that impact the community. I am talking food, housing, and health care insecurity. And maybe breaking up these cartels and monopolies that are looting our economy.

If Mamdani and his government find some ways of doing that I am interested. If they are going to get all ideological and narrow minded and start theorizing about things instead of finding real solutions well...that will have been a waste.

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12 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

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The perfect image doesn't exis ... I stand corrected!

18 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

You think the NYPD gives a fuck what the mayor says?

Jessica S. Tisch is the current NYC police commissioner. She was appointed by Mayor Adams in Sept, 2024. Interestingly, Mandami asked her to stay in and continue in her role. Many thought he would fire her and put in one of his people. She is from the very wealthy Tisch family that owns the Loews Corporation. So she doesn't have deep ties to Mandami but is now partnering with him. His control over the NYPD is not great.

16 hours ago, 'stache said:

LOL, nice try with your stats and anecdotes. He has full blown CDS (California Derangement Syndrome). He was told that blue state cities are lawless murder havens and red state cities are clean safe utopias and you'll never convince him otherwise. Like all magats he's incapable of any form of indpendent thought. I too have been to SF, Seattle, and Portland a few times over the last several years. I jogged past a large homeless encampment in Portland at night more than once and got a beer near there during late hours and was never hassled once. I was also in NYC last year and there were some rough characters but again wasn't once hassled, the guy who tried to sell us coke was actually pretty cool and talked with us for a minute before getting back to work. I get hassled regularly for change at the downtown QT here in my red state utopia and saw a methhead zombying around an intersection dropping my kid of at school this morning. I swear, these people are the biggest bunch of dickless pussies when it comes to big ol scary cities.

I'm someone w deep NYC ties and spend time there each year, to visit our younger daughter, see friends and have fun. Two years ago, I brought one of my work partners so she could experience the city. Her husband is a super MAGA head and was worried about her safety. We walked the whole city, (Met, Central Park, HiLine, West Village, Soho, NOMAD, Shopping on Upper Madison Ave, pilgrimage to Pete's Tavern, Upper East Side, etc). I took her on the subway many times, and we had an amazing trip. When she got home, he was genuinely shocked from her description about how safe, walkable, clean and fun Manhattan is.

Funniest moment is when we boarded an uptown subway car at Wall Street and it was full of maybe 70 NYPD police who had been in Brooklyn for some event. I said, "So are you feeling unsafe?" She smiled and said, "no, I'm good."

44 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

Jessica S. Tisch is the current NYC police commissioner. She was appointed by Mayor Adams in Sept, 2024. Interestingly, Mandami asked her to stay in and continue in her role. Many thought he would fire her and put in one of his people. She is from the very wealthy Tisch family that owns the Loews Corporation. So she doesn't have deep ties to Mandami but is now partnering with him. His control over the NYPD is not great.

When the NYPD doesn’t like a NYC mayor what they do is kidnap and doxx someone the mayor cares about. He has no control over the NYPD unless and until something can be done about their union.

53 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

I'm someone w deep NYC ties and spend time there each year, to visit our younger daughter, see friends and have fun. Two years ago, I brought one of my work partners so she could experience the city. Her husband is a super MAGA head and was worried about her safety. We walked the whole city, (Met, Central Park, HiLine, West Village, Soho, NOMAD, Shopping on Upper Madison Ave, pilgrimage to Pete's Tavern, Upper East Side, etc). I took her on the subway many times, and we had an amazing trip. When she got home, he was genuinely shocked from her description about how safe, walkable, clean and fun Manhattan is.

Funniest moment is when we boarded an uptown subway car at Wall Street and it was full of maybe 70 NYPD police who had been in Brooklyn for some event. I said, "So are you feeling unsafe?" She smiled and said, "no, I'm good."

Directed by Greg Lansky

5 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Directed by Greg Lansky

This is the part that threw me "When she got home, he was genuinely shocked from her description about how safe, walkable, clean and fun Manhattan is."

I love NYC but would never call it clean.

Dude, they imagine it's actually like Escape from New York

19 minutes ago, safe sex said:

Dude, they imagine it's actually like Escape from New York

and that was the 80's - imagine how bad it is now!

19 minutes ago, safe sex said:

Dude, they imagine it's actually like Escape from New York

I was eating a Pisillo* sandwich in Bryant Park in the sun today and the old couple drinking coffee at the next table were very confused about the lack of porno theaters and prostitution/drug dealing in Times Square.

Back when we used to be a country. Hmm

28 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I was eating a Pisillo* sandwich in Bryant Park in the sun today and the old couple drinking coffee at the next table were very confused about the lack of porno theaters and prostitution/drug dealing in Times Square.

Nothing like a luke warm Pret-A-Manger black coffee to chew the fat on the good old days.

31 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

@Incredulity is this going to cost “literally millions” of lives or?

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