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14 minutes ago, Longhornmaniac8 said:

God, these are both just terrible orators. Hyde-Smith is terribad.

It was absolutely horrible.  They both look like morons.  Mississippi doesn't deserve any better, fucking backwoods morons.  Fucking welfare-sucking motherfuckers that are all about "conservative values". 

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25 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Gillum made DeSantis look stupid in the debates but look who won.  It’s not about being smarter or better, it’s about winning.  In many areas, the underdog candidate might have to be 3x smarter to win.  Maybe. 

Important to know your audience.  Mississippi is the worst educated state in the country.  Those slack jawed, stupid motherfuckers can't understand basic civics courses.  They don't have the mental capacity to understand what's happening in the country.  All they understand is white.  Trump says "your fired".  Guns.  Illegals are devils.  Etc, etc.  A lot of folks thought Beto won his debates and on subject matter he probably did, but it's about branding.  She's branding herself as Trump's girl, probably saying he's Pelosi's boy (very racist).  Anything after that, the majority of the voters in most of these Southern states lose focus.

 

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1 minute ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Important to know your audience.  Mississippi is the worst educated state in the country.  Those slack jawed, stupid motherfuckers can't understand basic civics courses.  They don't have the mental capacity to understand what's happening in the country.  All they understand is white.  Trump says "your fired".  Guns.  Illegals are devils.  Etc, etc.  A lot of folks thought Beto won his debates and on subject matter he probably did, but it's about branding.  She's branding herself as Trump's girl, probably saying he's Pelosi's boy (very racist).  Anything after that, the majority of the voters in most of these Southern states lose focus.

 

Yep.  She said over and over "he's gonna vote with Schumer 100% of the time". 

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Imagine living in a state where 70% of the people under the age of 40 are dumber than Marcus Dupree. I made that number up because that's totally acceptable these days, so i stand by my version of the facts. Another fact: majority of Mississippi residents are too uneducated to count US currency so they trade in pelts, smooth stones and bits of string. A muskrat pelt will get you a full tank of gas. Two pieces of string will get you a 20 oz RC Cola. A smooth stone will get you a muskrat pelt. 

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Holy shit, that's a good price for RC Cola. Do you gotta get multiples because that's how they get you. Like who needs 8 bottles of RC Cola at a time. I betya it's 3 pieces of string per 1 bottle in the fine print. If so, fuck you Grocery World, i'm drinking Tab again , outta spite.

Btw, I'm outta Sprite. Gotta go to Food Barn pronto. 

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Just now, bad_teammate said:

She can't be blamed for where her parents sent her when she was a kid.

What matters is what she has done/said in the last few decades.

She can't be blamed for her upbringing sure, but it makes it pretty much impossible to give her the benefit of the doubt. And makes it pretty easy to guess how she's gonna feel about folks with a different color skin than her

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6 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

She can't be blamed for where her parents sent her when she was a kid.

What matters is what she has done/said in the last few decades.

She can't be blamed for where her parents sent her.  She could have even learned from it, and said something like, my parents sent me there. It was terribly wrong.

Instead she sent her daughter to a similar place. For that, she can be blamed. Cycles suck, but someone has to be strong enough to break it. 

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14 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

link? 

 

Dude...it's a Mississippi senate debate....just watch "Birth of a Nation" and you'll get the gist....

...but make sure that you're watching some BBC cuck porn in the background, to accurately capture the  quite conflicted real-world mindset of the folks who run Mississippi.

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2 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

CNN criticizing Hyde-smith for sponsoring a state resolution praising confederate soldiers for defending their homeland.   Will be interesting if the media can get her to say the South and the soldiers were wrong about the Civil War.     

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As a state senator in 2007, Hyde-Smith cosponsored a resolution that honored then-92-year-old Effie Lucille Nicholson Pharr, calling her "the last known living 'Real Daughter' of the Confederacy living in Mississippi." Pharr's father had been a Confederate soldier in Robert E. Lee's army in the Civil War.

The resolution refers to the Civil War as "The War Between the States." It says her father "fought to defend his homeland and contributed to the rebuilding of the country." It says that with "great pride," Mississippi lawmakers "join the Sons of Confederate Veterans" to honor Pharr.

The measure "rests on an odd combination of perpetuating both the Confederate legacy and the idea that this was not really in conflict with being a good citizen of the nation," said Nina Silber, the president of the Society of Civil War Historians and a Boston University history professor. 

"I also think it's curious that this resolution -- which ostensibly is about honoring the 'daughter' -- really seems to be an excuse to glorify the Confederate cause," Silber said.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/24/politics/cindy-hyde-smith-confederacy-mississippi-senate-race/index.html

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The concurrent resolution was approved by Mississippi's House and Senate. Hyde-Smith served as a state senator from 2000 to 2012. She was a Democrat before switching parties in 2010, citing her conservative beliefs. Hyde-Smith's campaign did not respond Saturday to a request for comment on the resolution.

At least she’s been a Republican longer than Trump?

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^^ Yeah, that.

33 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Mississippi has the highest percentage of African Americans.  37%.   Surprising that republicans still win there so easily.  

That may give the Dems a high floor, but I read somewhere that the white vote in Mississippi is as inelastic as it gets. It is more rural than Alabama. 

The Espy game plan is to actively turnout as many AA voters as possible and hope just enough whiteys stay home.

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MSNBC??? was doing a show about this race and had someone on the ground.  They spoke to several White Conservatives who identified as Republican but stated they were voting for Espy.  

Now if they actually do that will be another thing. 

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22 minutes ago, Pancho Negro said:

MSNBC??? was doing a show about this race and had someone on the ground.  They spoke to several White Conservatives who identified as Republican but stated they were voting for Espy.  

Now if they actually do that will be another thing. 

There are probably only a handful that will actually flip. All Hyde Smith's racist comments did is keep people from admitting they will vote for her. They will still vote for her though. 

But if African American voters turn out strong, there are enough normally Democratic white voters to flip the election even if Hyde Smith weren't a terrible candidate.  African Americans simply don't turn out in Mississippi. Part of that is from historic disenfranchisement, but another part of it is from the false idea that their vote can't make a difference.  

While MS is more rural than AL, there are a lot of urban/suburban white voters in Hinds, Rankin, Harrison, and Jackson counties. Democrats need to start targeting these voters, especially women, to flip.   I think MS is still too racist to flip when the Democratic candidate is an African American though. 

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Brookhaven Academy, the school from which Hyde-Smith’s daughter graduated in 2017, is almost all white. In the 2015-2016 academic year, for example, the school had 386 white students, compared to five Asian students and one black student. Brookhaven is 55 percent black.

 

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/11/cindy-hyde-smith-mississippi-gop-senator-sent-daughter-to-segregation-academy.html

 

Just for a bit of info/context on the "segregation" at her daughter's school.  Pretty weak - even with demographics and the economics of sending your kid to a private school, I would expect most good private schools to have scholarships and attempt to have at least some diversity in their student body.  Picking the first elite private school that I can think of, Strake Jesuit in Houston (by these numbers from googling) is 61.4% white and 9.1% black.

http://www.usaschoolinfo.com/school/strake-jesuit-college-prep-school-houston-texas.112270/enrollment

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Those segregation academies are totally a real thing in the Deep South.

When I started college at UA, it was weird to me that every single person - white person, mostly part of a Greek organization - that was from south of the Birmingham/Tuscaloosa area went to a private school.

And every single one of them had “academy” in their name.

Most students in the social circles I was a part of - white and fraternity/sorority from Birmingham, Tuscaloosa, Huntsville, and pretty much everywhere in north Alabama went to public schools.

Most of those academies now not much more diverse than they were back when they were formed. They’ll give scholarships for athletes (black kids) and for super smart students to help raise their test scores (Asian kids). They’ll take tuition from anyone who can pay, regardless of race or religion now. But when those places pay lip service to their “diversity” in order to obfuscate their roots, know that’s “south Alabama diverse” and not true diversity.

Those schools were 100% founded to keep Bobby and Suzy away from black kids after integration was forced on the Deep South.

There’s a reason they were all founded in the 60s.

And it’s created a self fulfilling prophecy. In all those places, after 50+ years of the richest and most involved families have avoided their local public school, all the public schools in the towns with segregation academies are terrible.

So if you live in Selma or Linden and you want your kids to get the best education in town do you send them to the shitty public school? Or to Morgan Academy or Marengo Academy and just ignore the school’s inauspicious beginnings because there are now 23 black kids there?

I’m glad I live somewhere with good public schools that didn’t establish a segregation academy back in the day. As a person, I know what I should choose but when it’s your real life child, how do you put personal politics over your actual child’s well being?

It’s a shitty choice and I’m glad I didn’t have to make it.

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Those segregation academies are totally a real thing in the Deep South.

When I started college at UA, it was weird to me that every single person - white person, mostly part of a Greek organization - that was from south of the Birmingham/Tuscaloosa area went to a private school.

And every single one of them had “academy” in their name.

Most students in the social circles I was a part of - white and fraternity/sorority from Birmingham, Tuscaloosa, Huntsville, and pretty much everywhere in north Alabama went to public schools.

Most of those academies now not much more diverse than they were back when they were formed. They’ll give scholarships for athletes (black kids) and for super smart students to help raise their test scores (Asian kids). They’ll take tuition from anyone who can pay, regardless of race or religion now. But when those places pay lip service to their “diversity” in order to obfuscate their roots, know that’s “south Alabama diverse” and not true diversity.

Those schools were 100% founded to keep Bobby and Suzy away from black kids after integration was forced on the Deep South.

There’s a reason they were all founded in the 60s.

And it’s created a self fulfilling prophecy. In all those places, after 50+ years of the richest and most involved families have avoided their local public school, all the public schools in the towns with segregation academies are terrible.

So if you live in Selma or Linden and you want your kids to get the best education in town do you send them to the shitty public school? Or to Morgan Academy or Marengo Academy and just ignore the school’s inauspicious beginnings because there are now 23 black kids there?

I’m glad I live somewhere with good public schools that didn’t establish a segregation academy back in the day. As a person, I know what I should choose but when it’s your real life child, how do you put personal politics over your actual child’s well being?

It’s a shitty choice and I’m glad I didn’t have to make it.

Louisiana is the exact same way - there is the private school system for middle/ upper class white kids and the woefully underfunded public school system for black kids. And just like you pointed out, many, if not the majority of white students at LSU went through the private school system. It is enforcing the same racial caste system through more subtle means.

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That is maybe a little interesting - in Texas, if you are wealthy you can send your kid to a private school, but you can also send your kid to the public school because your public school is probably fine, because you probably don't live in a shitty neighborhood.  It's quite possible that the state of Mississippi is failing all of their children with their public schools.  Although that should really serve to increase the moral imperative that private schools and the communities that support them have scholarships and programs to ensure that you get more than a single Token out of a community that is 55% black.

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29 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

That is maybe a little interesting - in Texas, if you are wealthy you can send your kid to a private school, but you can also send your kid to the public school because your public school is probably fine, because you probably don't live in a shitty neighborhood.  It's quite possible that the state of Mississippi is failing all of their children with their public schools.  Although that should really serve to increase the moral imperative that private schools and the communities that support them have scholarships and programs to ensure that you get more than a single Token out of a community that is 55% black.

Sounds like these segregation academies were also in smaller towns where there might be one public high school.  Doesn’t matter if you live in the good or bad side of town, there is only one public high school.  In the civil rights era, their largest city was a whooping 140K.   

I grew up in a Texas county that only had one high school (private or public.). Closest private school about a hour drive away and a few parents sent their kids there.

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