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1 minute ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I will rephrase for you.  Elon musk is hosting SNL. The cast has said they don’t like it. I don’t understand why they think the show is somehow above him.

I haven't seen or heard anything about the cast one way or the other. Link?

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The cast has acknowledged that they will appear in sketches with fake billionaires, but not real ones.  Somewhat honorable.

The show has forced cast members to appear with misogynist assholes like Martin Lawrence and Andrew Clay.  Lying assholes like Lance Armstrong.  Habitual date rapist, Steven Seagal.  And another racist asshole who has had 26 women allege sexual misconduct against him.  But appear briefly with a rich guy in an episode that will likely be start-to-finish sketches poking fun at him?  Oh no, that's just a bridge too far.  

None of these principled protectors of societal good had a problem when Adam Sandler hosts.  He's worth a half billion.  Everybody was excited to work with Eddie Murphy and his quarter billion.  Maybe they had goodwill because they're SNL alums?  Frequent host Tom Hanks and his third of a billion is always welcomed at 8H.  As is Tom Brady's quarter billion.  Put out a policy statement from the cast and writers on what the exact limit of net worth is.  Once you go above it, you can't host SNL anymore.  Yeah, that should really help wealth inequality in the country.   

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Broke: SNL sucks because Aidy Bryant and co. Aren’t very funny

Woke: SNL is principled and of and for the people; support them even if they fail in their charter (to be funny), because this fight is important.

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Isn't Loren Michaels worth half a billion dollars?  And apparently he's an asshole in real life, with some strange sexual allegations floating over him.  

Where's the outrage over that?  Oh yeah, it doesn't count when that rich person is giving you some of their money.  

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5 minutes ago, Texas St. Armadillos said:

I've probably posted this half a dozen times, but Lorne really needs to retire and let Fey take over show running.

Yeah. From what I can tell, SNL produces a few decent sketches per show. Which plays great for youtube but not for live viewing.

The funniest part of SNL are the "reaction" sketches that  lead to the host or cast to break down in laughter. The actual sketch doesn't even matter, it's more funny just watching someone try not to laugh. Modern day laughter sign. We're laughing so you should be as well.

The more I read about behind the scenes of SNL, the worst I think about the show. From the internal politics or how Lorne treats everyone like children. The cast and writers are forced to sit on his office floor each week to talk about that week's sketches.  I can't imagine my boss or senior leadership of any organization expecting adults to sit on the floor for meetings while the boss sits behind a desk. 

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The last couple of seasons have been pretty bad, and I'm normally the guy defending the show. I've gotten to where I only watch the cold open, monologue, and then fast forward to weekend update.

Their cast is like the Texas WR room. Need to trim some fat (not necessarily Bryant). 

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So they'll work with Trump hosting but not Musk?
That baffles me.

You’re baffling yourself.

In 2015 Trump was a reality tv businessman, professional self-promoter, and caricature.

In 2015, he was also a leading purveyor of birtherism and suspected racist.

In 2015, Lorne Michaels and SNL dealt with negative press and cast members not pleased with extending Trump a platform to normalize him as a political candidate.

Between 2015-present, other stuff happened, to say the least.

Plenty of cast turnover.

Musk is a controversial billionaire with questionable motives, reputation, and actions. He makes erratic public statements that have regularly impacted Tesla stock prices. At best, on the libertarian spectrum. Not the best fit with east coast, artist sensibilities.

Still “baffled”?
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The following current cast members, many of whom are upset about Musk hosting, also appeared on the November 2015 episode with Donald Trump:

Beck Bennett, Aidy Bryant, Michael Che, Pete Davidson, Mikey Day, Colin Jost, Kate McKinnon, Kyle Mooney, Cecily Strong, and of course-Kenan Thompson. 

That's 10 hypocritical whining bitches who had no issue with performing with Donald Trump.  But Elon Musk is somehow beyond the pale? 

I don't know what the equivalent of "shut up and dribble" is in sketch comedy...but these ten folks above need to "shut up and clown."  Wanna know what Covid-19 has done to performing comics?  Wanna know what that life is like?  I hear about it all the time friends in the industry, it hasn't been pretty.  

Perform, don't perform.  Nobody gives a shit.  But shut the fuck up about it either way.  It's your job, be a professional.  If you're not on this episode, that's 1 outta 20 you missed voluntarily.  So I assume you'll be donating 5% of your salary to a non-profit that raises awareness for wealth inequality in the United States?  You're a minor celebrity, you gotta boost your profile...I get it.  But railing on Musk while you happily pandered to Trump's ego on the show because you were an up-and-comer and needed the hype?  That's fucking bush league and you know it.  How about, get out there and make it a great show because it'll probably be the highest rated of the season and give your newer castmates a chance to thrive and be noticed as well?  There's a reason it's called an Ensemble Cast, you ungrateful shits.  

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1 hour ago, Eskimohorn said:


You’re baffling yourself.

In 2015 Trump was a reality tv businessman, professional self-promoter, and caricature.

In 2015, he was also a leading purveyor of birtherism and suspected racist.

In 2015, Lorne Michaels and SNL dealt with negative press and cast members not pleased with extending Trump a platform to normalize him as a political candidate.

Between 2015-present, other stuff happened, to say the least.

Plenty of cast turnover.

Musk is a controversial billionaire with questionable motives, reputation, and actions. He makes erratic public statements that have regularly impacted Tesla stock prices. At best, on the libertarian spectrum. Not the best fit with east coast, artist sensibilities.

Still “baffled”?

I was thinking Trump was a presidential primary candidate when he hosted and widely hated by the elite left of Hollywood. Am I mistaken?

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He had declared and already had his name on most states' primary/caucus ballots.  He was the early front-runner, but the "official primary season" would not begin for another 3 months after he hosted the show (november 2015 to february 2016).  He was officially a candidate for POTUS from the Republican Party.  

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3 hours ago, Lobo said:

The following current cast members, many of whom are upset about Musk hosting, also appeared on the November 2015 episode with Donald Trump:

Beck Bennett, Aidy Bryant, Michael Che, Pete Davidson, Mikey Day, Colin Jost, Kate McKinnon, Kyle Mooney, Cecily Strong, and of course-Kenan Thompson. 

That's 10 hypocritical whining bitches who had no issue with performing with Donald Trump.  But Elon Musk is somehow beyond the pale? 

I don't know what the equivalent of "shut up and dribble" is in sketch comedy...but these ten folks above need to "shut up and clown."  Wanna know what Covid-19 has done to performing comics?  Wanna know what that life is like?  I hear about it all the time friends in the industry, it hasn't been pretty.  

Perform, don't perform.  Nobody gives a shit.  But shut the fuck up about it either way.  It's your job, be a professional.  If you're not on this episode, that's 1 outta 20 you missed voluntarily.  So I assume you'll be donating 5% of your salary to a non-profit that raises awareness for wealth inequality in the United States?  You're a minor celebrity, you gotta boost your profile...I get it.  But railing on Musk while you happily pandered to Trump's ego on the show because you were an up-and-comer and needed the hype?  That's fucking bush league and you know it.  How about, get out there and make it a great show because it'll probably be the highest rated of the season and give your newer castmates a chance to thrive and be noticed as well?  There's a reason it's called an Ensemble Cast, you ungrateful shits.  

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it's posts like this why I don't put you on ignore.

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Who’s a really talented cast member? Maybe, maybe Bowen Yang. I think he’s funny as hell, watch Nora From Queens, but he’s a niche actor. 

Jost and Che are Weekend Update only so I won’t count them. 

Do y’all see any of the current cast getting a movie based on a SNL sketch? No, hell no. 

The talent just isn’t there. 

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I really want to see Elon offer the first 5 cast members that appear in a sketch with him their own $1 billion... you know, not forcing anyone to do anything. Just keeping the door open in case anyone changes their mind.

 

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Che was on Seth Meyers last night and said he was excited to have Elon on the show. He was looking forward to the new tradition of the host giving each cast member a million dollars. He didn't even hint at having a problem with Musk. I think this is a bunch of tabloid bs.

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Trump also hosted in 2004.  I don't remember controversy surrounding that episode.  And that cast was filled with a lot of people who do not like Donald Trump---Jimmy Fallon, Tina Fey, Seth Meyers, Fred Armisen, Amy Poehler, Maya Rudolph, et. al.  

I'm sure this thing was blown out of proportion.  And maybe it was just a brilliant PR move to get even more people to watch the episode. 

What probably happened was that the Aidy Bryant note was real. Few other cast members got asked about it and dropped a snarky comments about Musk being too wealthy.  Then Lorne reminded them that since Covid-19, North America is filled with talented, hungry, brilliant comics and improv actors who can leave their non-existent tours and theaters right now to join "The Not Ready for Primetime Players" within 18 hours of a call from Lorne.  Suddenly everybody got back in line.  

This thing is just so goofy to me, but 2020-2021...people are just picking the strangest fucking battles to wage in the public square.  It's morbidly fascinating.

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Pete Davidson was on Seth Meyers and said he was excited Elon is hosting and couldn't wait to meet him. "What, the guy that builds cool stuff that makes the world better? I'm hitting him up for a Tesla."

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On 5/4/2021 at 9:16 AM, Red Five said:

The last couple of seasons have been pretty bad, and I'm normally the guy defending the show. I've gotten to where I only watch the cold open, monologue, and then fast forward to weekend update.

Their cast is like the Texas WR room. Need to trim some fat (not necessarily Bryant). 

The cast is bigger than a 3A high school, and only like 4 of them are useful.   They have a handful of people who have been there twice as long as Sandler and Farley were on SNL even though they’re clearly never going to be stars.  Get some new blood for crying out loud.  Find some people who could actually be stars and let them carry the show instead of just adding more volume to the parade of mediocrity every year.

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Honestly, why do y’all still watch this shit? I’m 30, and the good SNL stopped happening before I went to college. I’ve seen skits on YouTube sometimes and the occasional episode but I’d never make it a point to actually watch. None of these people are that funny, and they almost all seem like gigantic bitches  

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10 hours ago, Etexhorn13 said:

Honestly, why do y’all still watch this shit? I’m 30, and the good SNL stopped happening before I went to college. I’ve seen skits on YouTube sometimes and the occasional episode but I’d never make it a point to actually watch. None of these people are that funny, and they almost all seem like gigantic bitches  

 

I think the writing is a bigger problem than the cast.  When it's good, the cast has no problems being funny.  I just can't understand how something like the Iceland skit made it to air unless they just ran out of time and had nothing else to fill airtime with.

I think Keenan Thompson, Aidy Bryant, Beck Bennett, and Heidi Gardner are all serviceable cast members that can be put in a sketch and be funny so long as it's a decent sketch.  Colin Jost and Michael Che are very good at Weekend Update, which is still, as it always was, a highlight most weeks.  

Kyle Mooney and Melissa Villasenior are both funny and very underutilized most of the time.  Pete Davidson and Kate McKinnon are both overused, IMO, and aren't as funny as their airtime suggests.  I guess it's popular since it's a reoccurring bit, but I don't really find the "Chad" sketches funny at all. 

They do need new blood in the cast though to shake things up.

 

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it's the writing, and lorne michaels is 76 years old

last night they could have burned 15 minutes with a star trek STARSHIP enterprise bridge sendup just lobbing softball one-liners to elon

but not having watched snl in years, i was shocked at how unfunny and cardboard the cast is

show needs a complete overhaul

make a show of the overhaul

national televised contest for comedy troupes

get chevy chase and bill murray and other ancient greats to judge

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What's killing SNL is the L. We're programmed to see slick, highly produced, taped skits. SNL still excels at those. The live, one mf'n shot at it is extremely hard to pull off to start with. Doing it today is almost impossible to do well.

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1 hour ago, Hagbard Celine said:

it's the writing, and lorne michaels is 76 years old

last night they could have burned 15 minutes with a star trek STARSHIP enterprise bridge sendup just lobbing softball one-liners to elon

but not having watched snl in years, i was shocked at how unfunny and cardboard the cast is

show needs a complete overhaul

make a show of the overhaul

national televised contest for comedy troupes

get chevy chase and bill murray and other ancient greats to judge

Not a bad idea. I would recast the entire show, with the exception of Che and Jost on Update, and beg Tina Fey to come back. 

Second City shows are still funny. Live comedy can still be done well. 

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I'm going to go off on a little rant. SNL is absolute garbage.  It's the biggest waste of talent in the last 50 years since Ishtar. It's obvious where the problem lies - Lorne Michaels. He sucks and has sucked for 20 years.  Here's just a random list of why he sucks:

1. Line Memorization - all of the actors just read off cue cards. Not only is this completely not entertaining, elementary school kids are able to learn their lines. Why can't they? And don't tell me it's because the schedule is too tight every week.  Bullshit.  They could have been working on sketches for Elon for months and still have had timely topics.

2. Incredibly Poor Writing - Lorne blesses each and every sketch that gets on the air and he sucks and his opinions suck.

3. Misuse of Talent - they use the blonde haired chick Kate M. way too much while other talented people just get buried in the background. It all happens because Lorne makes all the decisions of who is in or out.  And he sucks ass. Look at how many cast members have gone on to successful film careers because they don't have to work with Lorne, who sucks.

4. Weak Talent - a lot of the talent isn't funny, and Lorne is the guy who selected them, and he sucks.

5. Weak Topic Leverage - they are constantly served up great topics of curretn events and fail to capitalize on them. See bad writing. See Lorne sucks.

The entire show is broken and has been forever. We all hope that we can get 10 good minutes out of the show every week, because live sketch comedy on timely topics is comedy gold.  But we are left with hardly anything to laugh about.  Because Lorne sucks.

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I think it’s a talent thing. This cast is not great, as has been covered many times on this thread, and you have to brave enough to cut heads— good enough is the enemy of great comedy here.

That said, I think you have to give the whole production somewhat of a pass with Covid. Not being able to get together for all that time, probably out of chemistry, and the talent scouting and back filling of writers and actors probably suffering like all other supply chains.

And yes the cast sucks and it’s not a 5 star class with all pros at multiple positions, but I was watching some YouTube clips of SNL in the mid 80’s (Randy Quaid, RD Jr., and Anthony Michael Hall) and those were horrible, unfunny and not even clever. So at least it’s not that bad. But yea, SNL needs to recruit better and clean house after this season and get ready to start a post-COVID phase fresh and get rid of Butthole eyes Davidson, etc.

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A bad sketch is a bad sketch. Check out Not Gettin' Any : Losers on YouTube. Michael J. Fox, Chris Rock, Chris Farley, Adam Sandler, and David Spade. 5 brilliant, successful comedic actors, 5 brutally unfunny minutes. 

Watch a full episode with the original cast sometime. A ton of it is unwatchable today.

I think the show was at it’s peak in the late 80s with Carvey, Hartman, etc. Although I heard someone say once that everyone says the show was at its best when they were like 14, so that checks out.
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11 minutes ago, Red Five said:


Watch a full episode with the original cast sometime. A ton of it is unwatchable today.

I think the show was at it’s peak in the late 80s with Carvey, Hartman, etc. Although I heard someone say once that everyone says the show was at its best when they were like 14, so that checks out.

Hartman as Clinton giving an economics lesson at McDonald’s is one of my favorite sketches ever. The guy was incredibly talented. Gone too soon. 

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6 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

 

1. Line Memorization - all of the actors just read off cue cards. Not only is this completely not entertaining, elementary school kids are able to learn their lines. Why can't they? And don't tell me it's because the schedule is too tight every week.  Bullshit.  They could have been working on sketches for Elon for months and still have had timely topics.

 

 

i've read before the skits are rewritten a lot from the first time they're thought out to the final product of what goes live (sometimes even during the course of the show after it's started) and a lot of the actors aren't notified of the changes until right before they go on.  and even if they know of changes the day of it's undergone so many changes it's hard to keep straight.  i mean it goes from the writer's room, to lorne's office, back to the writer's room, to thursday rehearsal, back to the writer's room, and then to live.  and often times only the one or two writers know of all the changes while the other cast members are only told "here's what your part is".

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Maybe I’m the outlier but I’m continuously amazed at how SNL has continued to stay entertaining/relevant though out the years. Do some of their shows overall/sketches fall flat? Sure. But that’s happened continuously throughout all eras of the show. I’ve long felt that the opening (almost always topical/political) skit ages terribly. But the hits keep coming. I submit that there are next to no eras of the show (even those that we watched in our younger years) that you wouldn’t find boring now. I’ll keep watching.

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