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I think I started this thread on the old board. 

Anyone have any particular experience with elbow joints and pain? This is all related to lifting weights. I am in my early 40s but my joints are breaking down and it sucks. I enjoy lifting weights and it's one of the primary ways I try to stay in shape.  I have had golfer's elbow in the past. It was "cured" basically by adding some forearm exercises into the routine, along with ice and anti-inflammatory meds. I think this is different. 

I have been working out at a small shitty gym due to convenience for a few years. It doesn't really give me everything I want. A new gym is opening near me, and I went to check out one of their other facilities over Christmas break to see if I wanted to join. The good news is that it was awesome and I'm hyped to join the new gym. The bad news is I was so excited to have some different options in front of me, even though I'm pretty careful I think I overdid it on a chest day. I was fine for a few days but within 3-4 days my right elbow started hurting to the point that I could barely raise it above my head without wincing in pain. I've given it almost a month with no activity and it's still pretty damn painful at times, mostly when I do any kind of extensions - just arm movements, no weights. It even hurts sleeping at times (side sleeper, usually cock the elbow).

To pinpoint the pain, if I was doing a curl with my right arm, the pain would be at the top of the curl, just to the right of the point of the elbow joint on the bottom side of the arm, and also slightly on the left/inside of the joint on the top area of the arm during the curl. I am worried I might have a TJ type of injury here but I'm basically too busy and lazy to go to the Dr unless I think there's no other way out. Anyone have any similar type of injuries? Does this sound like tendinitis that might make its way out on its own accord/with PT? Or perhaps more serious.?

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Sounds like tennis elbow.

I'm going through this right now. I thought laying off exercise for a couple of months would help. The sever pain is gone, but it's still noticeable. Probably because I'm typing on a keyboard 8 hours a day. I finally gave in and visited a orthopedic surgeon Monday. He gave me a wrist brace to wear when typing and sleeping and told me to google tennis elbow exercises. He also suggested anti-inflammatory meds in the short term.

He said to come back if the pain is still there after a month.

 

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Similar... eventually I had to get a steroid shot in my elbow. Now pain free since getting the shot 6 months ago.

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You should make the time to see an orthopedic surgeon.  I battled tennis elbow for almost two years before it finally went away.  I had three cortisone shots over several months, months of physical therapy, the Graston therapy (hurt like hell but it helped), ice (4-5 times a day but it didn't do shit), heat (helped a bit), etc.  I was scheduled for surgery but I got a second opinion and decided to just wait it out.  Eventually, laying off the offending activity will allow the tendon to heal.  Just be patient.  You may be able to reduce your activities and it can go away rather quickly.  Sometimes, like the poster above, a cortisone shot will help or fix it.  Or, as in my case, I thought I could just continue my activities (golf and tennis) but on a reduced scale and be fine, but that only made it worse.  I had to stop playing tennis entirely and it took almost two years before I was pain free.  The problem is that you don't know whether you can work through it or not until you try.  If it doesn't go away you can make it way worse like I did.  Laying off is the safest bet.  And I previously always healed quickly from muscle pulls and sprains so I thought tennis elbow would just take a few weeks to heal. 

The best test to see if it's tennis elbow is to sit down next to a table and extend your arm straight out under the table with the palm facing the floor and your fingers about halfway under the edge of the table just touching the bottom of the table.  Lift up with your fingers trying to lift the table with just the strength of your fingers.  Your elbow area and part of your forearm near the elbow will hurt like hell if it's tennis elbow.  A firm handshake also will hurt like hell.

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When I’ve suffered thru tennis elbow, I finally learned a combination of a cortisone shot to reduce the inflammation and 4-6 months of low activity allowed it to heal.  I know it sucks. 

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Yeah, my orthopedic surgeon said a cortisone shot was the next option if the exercises and anti-inflammatories don't work. 

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2 hours ago, 4th and 5 said:

Switch hands.

 

youre welcome. 

it took 7 posts?  

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I had the same problem. Mine started when I started going really heavy on deadlifts. My grip wasn't strong enough. I resolved by regularly stretching the muscles around the elbow and wearing a brace. It took about 6 months to resolve. But I did have to stop going heavy on dead lifts for awhile. 

Watch the video. I now regularly perform the below stretches. No more elbow pain.

 

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7 hours ago, 4th and 5 said:

Switch hands.

 

youre welcome. 

“Forearm exercises” lol

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On 1/22/2020 at 7:15 AM, HouTex said:

You should make the time to see an orthopedic surgeon.  I battled tennis elbow for almost two years before it finally went away.  I had three cortisone shots over several months, months of physical therapy, the Graston therapy (hurt like hell but it helped), ice (4-5 times a day but it didn't do shit), heat (helped a bit), etc.  I was scheduled for surgery but I got a second opinion and decided to just wait it out.  Eventually, laying off the offending activity will allow the tendon to heal.  Just be patient.  You may be able to reduce your activities and it can go away rather quickly.  Sometimes, like the poster above, a cortisone shot will help or fix it.  Or, as in my case, I thought I could just continue my activities (golf and tennis) but on a reduced scale and be fine, but that only made it worse.  I had to stop playing tennis entirely and it took almost two years before I was pain free.  The problem is that you don't know whether you can work through it or not until you try.  If it doesn't go away you can make it way worse like I did.  Laying off is the safest bet.  And I previously always healed quickly from muscle pulls and sprains so I thought tennis elbow would just take a few weeks to heal. 

The best test to see if it's tennis elbow is to sit down next to a table and extend your arm straight out under the table with the palm facing the floor and your fingers about halfway under the edge of the table just touching the bottom of the table.  Lift up with your fingers trying to lift the table with just the strength of your fingers.  Your elbow area and part of your forearm near the elbow will hurt like hell if it's tennis elbow.  A firm handshake also will hurt like hell.

I play die-hard tennis for 3hrs twice a week. Total fucking blast. Lost weight, stamina off the scales (in my sixties). Six mo ago my tennis elbow was pretty bad. I switched from a shitty racket to an old Wilson PWS maybe three mo back. The pain has steadily decreased. Just a case of less vibration. 

As far as the weightlifting goes - give it up. Even heavy reps with light weight could leave you with long-term problems that can only be relieved for a few hours at a time by painful stretching. It ain't worth it. It doesn't help agility and also pulls on the spine, necessitating short term relief from a chiro, which will no longer be necessary if you just give it up. Diet, push ups, upside-down-pilates-sit ups will do most of it. A sport like tennis will keep you in shape for life.

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You are fortunate that you could keep playing. Many of my friends switched to arm-friendly racquets and it makes a big difference. Volkl are famous for low vibration. I play with an old design Prince. The Prince EXO3. Its very easy on the arm. And I never use poly strings. They will rip your elbow to shreds. The worst is the Babolat racquet that Nadal uses with the poly strings. Recreational players want to bang balls on the base line all day long with huge top spin like Nadal but they are destroying their arms.

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I have golfer's in my right elbow. I quit doing curls almost altogether and that helped. I also occasionally wear a Rehband sleeve as sometimes I'll do something that causes a flare up. It works well for me (43 years old).

 

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I have golfer's in my right elbow. I quit doing curls almost altogether and that helped. I also occasionally wear a Rehband sleeve as sometimes I'll do something that causes a flare up. It works well for me (43 years old).
 
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I use the Bandit forearm brace. It’s sort of like insurance now that I’m pain free.

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Had to give up tennis since serving was wreaking havoc on my shoulder and wrist. 

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1 hour ago, HouTex said:

You are fortunate that you could keep playing. Many of my friends switched to arm-friendly racquets and it makes a big difference. Volkl are famous for low vibration. I play with an old design Prince. The Prince EXO3. Its very easy on the arm. And I never use poly strings. They will rip your elbow to shreds. The worst is the Babolat racquet that Nadal uses with the poly strings. Recreational players want to bang balls on the base line all day long with huge top spin like Nadal but they are destroying their arms.

I have been lucky. I only regret that I didn't rediscover tennis until a year or so ago. At 5'11", 170 (180, 18 mo ago), I seem to be avoiding some of the nagging stuff that is causing problems for others in my group - so far, knock on wood.

You made a couple of interesting observations. Babolat is real popular, or so I hear. I don't like the wide profile. Gets in the way of my serves. I ran into a West Texas MD recently who is 73 and uses a Babolat lined with lead tape. It played pretty well. He was a big topspin guy - and damn good. I don't use a lot of topspin, but have been working on it. Something for me to think about.

My knowledge of equipment is dated. What do you recommend between synthetic gut and multi-filament? 

 

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10 minutes ago, dcbc said:

Had to give up tennis since serving was wreaking havoc on my shoulder and wrist. 

And yeah, my shoulder gives me fits, but you just gotta live with it. Stretch out those scalines above your collar bone - liquid advil an hour before game time. And for six hours a week, I'm a thirty year-old again, doing just about everything I did back in the seventies, just about as well, sometimes better. Less aggressive, smarter.

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I have been lucky. I only regret that I didn't rediscover tennis until a year or so ago. At 5'11", 170 (180, 18 mo ago), I seem to be avoiding some of the nagging stuff that is causing problems for others in my group - so far, knock on wood.
You made a couple of interesting observations. Babolat is real popular, or so I hear. I don't like the wide profile. Gets in the way of my serves. I ran into a West Texas MD recently who is 73 and uses a Babolat lined with lead tape. It played pretty well. He was a big topspin guy - and damn good. I don't use a lot of topspin, but have been working on it. Something for me to think about.
My knowledge of equipment is dated. What do you recommend between synthetic gut and multi-filament? 
 

Either should be fine. I have been using multi for many years (Wilson NXT).

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1 hour ago, HouTex said:

The Prince EXO3. Its very easy on the arm. 

I was talking to a local pro about why he likes his Head low profile racket (which is pretty nice). He said it was the smaller hitting area. Hmmm. That's when I decided to try the Wilson PWS that had been sitting in my trunk for two plus years. I already had a nice "Agassi" Head Mid Plus that I bought forty years or so ago, but the I now like the Wilson better. It has much better strings - in fact, they look like fairly new gut. Why don't I know for sure? because I picked it up in a thrift store on a lark  for $5.

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Update on strings v tennis elbow. Turns out the PWS was strung with synthetic gut. Figured this out when a string broke Sunday (possibly because I played a match in the snow last Wed night). Got it restrung with synthetic gut at 60lb. Picked it up yesterday. Felt cheated because it turned out the string used was thinner. Googled it. That's  good thing apparently. A finer string gives you more control. Vibration decreased even more. Last night had one of my best nights ever! Elbow feels great today. Here's to tennis science.

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Good to hear. I had it in both elbows at different times. Cortisone shot cleared up one but didn’t help at all for the other. After six weeks of PT didn’t help I tried acupuncture. A few sessions and pain was totally gone never to return.

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I used a Band It tennis elbow band and it worked great. Wore it anytime I used my right arm: swimming, yard work, etc. It keeps the tendon from pulling on the elbow allowing the inflammation and pain to subside.

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I play die-hard tennis for 3hrs twice a week. Total fucking blast. Lost weight, stamina off the scales (in my sixties). Six mo ago my tennis elbow was pretty bad. I switched from a shitty racket to an old Wilson PWS maybe three mo back. The pain has steadily decreased. Just a case of less vibration. 

As far as the weightlifting goes - give it up. Even heavy reps with light weight could leave you with long-term problems that can only be relieved for a few hours at a time by painful stretching. It ain't worth it. It doesn't help agility and also pulls on the spine, necessitating short term relief from a chiro, which will no longer be necessary if you just give it up. Diet, push ups, upside-down-pilates-sit ups will do most of it. A sport like tennis will keep you in shape for life.

I’m in month seven of trying to recover from “golfers elbow” from tennis. Tennis elbow on the inside of the elbow from too much arm and not enough body in my forearm mechanics. I love the sport. Was playing two competitive matches per week, a lesson, group drills and the ball machine 1-2x a week for six days a week. Dumb. I’ve seen the surgeon and had one round of PRP injections, started a comeback and reinjured it. I’m now at zero activity again. Super bummed. But it’s getting better. I’m hoping to be back at it 3 times a week by the fall and maybe some cross training. At the height of it I was in the best shape of my life. I absolutely want that back. There’s no beer or glass of wine or fine meal that feels as good as coming off the court after a tennis work out. Such an amazing sport.

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You are fortunate that you could keep playing. Many of my friends switched to arm-friendly racquets and it makes a big difference. Volkl are famous for low vibration. I play with an old design Prince. The Prince EXO3. Its very easy on the arm. And I never use poly strings. They will rip your elbow to shreds. The worst is the Babolat racquet that Nadal uses with the poly strings. Recreational players want to bang balls on the base line all day long with huge top spin like Nadal but they are destroying their arms.

 

This is what happened to me exactly. I had a ton of spin on my forehand and even more on my backhand. Plenty of power but I’m not using my body correctly and gripping too hard. I need to have more fluidity and make it a full body swing. My backhand is sound now with winner top spin, forehand is still under a rebuild. My game is power to the deep corners then get to the net. I don’t want to hang back the whole match. Now my game is typing about it on surly. Grrr.

 

I’m using an elbow compression sleeve now for a lot of activity, stretches and if it doesn’t get any better in the next two or three weeks I’m headed back probs for a scan, second round of PRP injections then surgery I guess.

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Good to hear. I had it in both elbows at different times. Cortisone shot cleared up one but didn’t help at all for the other. After six weeks of PT didn’t help I tried acupuncture. A few sessions and pain was totally gone never to return.


Tennis friend swears by acupuncture I might try that next actually.

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Little League has started back up and I've been throwing to the kids at practice a bunch. Anyway, I've never once had elbow pain in an entire life of playing baseball. Until now. My forearm is aching, my inside elbow is aching and the overall joint just hurts. Any clues or help on something like that? I'm going to have other coaches throw BP for a few weeks and take it easy throwing overall, I guess, but figured someone here might have something to add.

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If there's anything worse than tennis elbow, it might be plantar fascitis.  This time last year, I had TE.  Took probably 5 months to go away.  Now I have PF.  Slowly going away, but it sucks balls.

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