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30 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

I don't like fairy tales, you have at it brah....  chase those bread crumbs.

Ok dumb ass.

I was discussing State Capitalism which is essentially the same practice that the Fascists practiced. Look up Mussolini if they didn't cover this at the JUCO you attended. This isn't about dur SOCIALISM but State Capitalism. I was discussing the transitional phase towards SOCIALISM.

Something that the Trump Republican party has advocated since day one. To answer your question, Bill Fucking Bart floated the idea of the United States purchasing Ericsson or Nokia just a few months ago as a state purchase. He also said that private companies could assist in conjunction to combat Hauwei. Either way this is a State purchase or a "championing" of private industry for State purposes. Literary the definition of State Capitalism.

You could also visit the Trump Trade Wars thread and see the Trump Republicans advocate for State interference on free trade. This isn't an advocacy of Western Liberal Economics argued by Adam Smith and David Ricardo its straight up Nationalism. The Free Hand be Damned, Trump knows what's best for Global Supply Chains. Who cares what's best for a particular industry this is about America, eh that is State Capitalism.

LOL When Trump does Fuck up shit then he has to Bail Out industries and create massive Deficits during the tail end of an economic boom. This all done for the benefit of the Regime.

Never mind all of the Rent-Seeking behavior created by the Republicans with the exceptions to all of the tarrifs.

Dude you are not a supporter of Capitalism.

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I appreciated the thumbing of the nose at China today via WHO. I’ve been on record that we should do something or say something, and take a stand, against China and their wet market disease that has killed 100k Americans.

That said, I read a fantastic write up on the Taiwan chip plant being built in AZ and am glad to see some diversification away from making such sensitive and supply chain intensive products so close and easy to strike with middles from China.

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8 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

 

To be fair our leadership is doing the same thing.

 

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On 5/30/2020 at 12:30 AM, Rougarou said:

I appreciated the thumbing of the nose at China today via WHO. I’ve been on record that we should do something or say something, and take a stand, against China and their wet market disease that has killed 100k Americans.

That said, I read a fantastic write up on the Taiwan chip plant being built in AZ and am glad to see some diversification away from making such sensitive and supply chain intensive products so close and easy to strike with middles from China.

Some thumbing of the nose.

The WHO is a UN organization.  The UN was basically founded by the US.  It may not serve our interests all or even most of the time, but if it has become Chinese-dominated, it's because we have abdicated our role.  That's a mistake.  If we want China to abide by international norms, we have to engage them in international fora, like the UN and the WHO.  Leaving an international forum to Chinese domination plays right into their hands.  They are more than happy to turn international norms into Chinese norms.

I have seen zero evidence that we are actually being tough on China in anything other than Trump's childish words and being tough on Huawei.  The other things we're doing in relation to Chinese academics in US institutions probably would have happened regardless of who was in office.

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6 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Some thumbing of the nose.

The WHO is a UN organization.  The UN was basically founded by the US.  It may not serve our interests all or even most of the time, but if it has become Chinese-dominated, it's because we have abdicated our role.  That's a mistake.  If we want China to abide by international norms, we have to engage them in international fora, like the UN and the WHO.  Leaving an international forum to Chinese domination plays right into their hands.  They are more than happy to turn international norms into Chinese norms.

I have seen zero evidence that we are actually being tough on China in anything other than Trump's childish words and being tough on Huawei.  The other things we're doing in relation to Chinese academics in US institutions probably would have happened regardless of who was in office.

I pretty much agree with everything you've said-- and I'm exasperated that the extent of our ability to punish China is little to none. We've allowed the upper hand to erode over many years to now we are the point where we are effectively afraid of calling out or punishing China for their culpability in the 100k+ deaths of Americans, because China is at equal standing (or better) in matters of money, technology, war machines, etc. and there is a mutually assured destruction in place. It's a shame and every American should be upset about it, in my opinion.

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16 hours ago, F250 said:

To be fair our leadership is doing the same thing.

 

CCP=Antifa? 

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Some thumbing of the nose.
The WHO is a UN organization.  The UN was basically founded by the US.  It may not serve our interests all or even most of the time, but if it has become Chinese-dominated, it's because we have abdicated our role.  That's a mistake.  If we want China to abide by international norms, we have to engage them in international fora, like the UN and the WHO.  Leaving an international forum to Chinese domination plays right into their hands.  They are more than happy to turn international norms into Chinese norms.
I have seen zero evidence that we are actually being tough on China in anything other than Trump's childish words and being tough on Huawei.  The other things we're doing in relation to Chinese academics in US institutions probably would have happened regardless of who was in office.

Excellent post. Seriously, the abdication of our role in multiple respects has been most maddening. It only hurts us.

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This is just what we need. The two biggest countries in the world going to war. 

Looking like China started it. 

 

Edited by Jive Turkey

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https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndca/pr/officer-china-s-people-s-liberation-army-arrested-los-angeles-international-airport

 

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Also according to court documents, Wang provided information to CBP that he had been instructed by his supervisor, the director of his military university lab in the PRC, to observe the layout of the UCSF lab and bring back information on how to replicate it in China.  CBP received information that Wang had studies from UCSF with him which he was taking to share with his PLA colleagues, and he had sent research to his lab in China via email.  Wang similarly told his supervising UCSF professor that he had duplicated some of the work of that professor at the lab in China. 

 

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Did the China-India skirmish develop because both were confused as to why in the U.S., people say "Asian" but it doesn't refer to people from India, but it can refer to people from China?  Because I've always found that bizarre.  

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IMO, this doesn’t go past anything more than a skirmish.  The danger, as always, is some egregious miscalculation.

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They reportedly fought and killed each other with rocks and wooden clubs according to a report I heard earlier on NPR. That must've been one hellacious and gruesome fight.

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1 hour ago, bolverk said:

They reportedly fought and killed each other with rocks and wooden clubs according to a report I heard earlier on NPR. That must've been one hellacious and gruesome fight.

lucious lyon wtf GIF

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On 6/10/2020 at 9:54 PM, Brisketexan said:


Excellent post. Seriously, the abdication of our role in multiple respects has been most maddening. It only hurts us.

There was a recent article in The Economist discussing the European members of NATO's desire to deal with China. Only issue is the former leader of the free world is no where to be found.

 

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4 hours ago, F250 said:

There was a recent article in The Economist discussing the European members of NATO's desire to deal with China. Only issue is the former leader of the free world is no where to be found.

 

Well, no one ever said Europeans were very smart. They keep getting everyone in the world in world wars... I'm wondering how recent that article is, because after this Covid shit, if any country wants to sidle up to China they're really desperate or just don't give a shit.

Edited by Onboard 2.0

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6 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

IMO, this doesn’t go past anything more than a skirmish.  The danger, as always, is some egregious miscalculation.

So it won't be bad. But there is a danger it's bad. This is some top-notch analysis.

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17 minutes ago, Serak The Preparer said:

So it won't be bad. But there is a danger it's bad. This is some top-notch analysis.

This isn’t much of a turf war.  China/India invading each other isn’t in either countries interests especially given everything else going on right now.  I also think it would take and egregious miscalculation for the US to get involved.  The NK/SK stuff is more unstable as far as we’re concerned, (which is also China related.)

Edited by Hugo Stiglitz

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1 hour ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Well, no one ever said Europeans were very smart. They keep getting everyone in the world in world wars... I'm wondering how recent that article is, because after this Covid shit, if any country wants to sidle up to China they're really desperate or just don't give a shit.

What TwiceHorn said.

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

The article in question. https://www.other-news.info/2020/06/nato-sets-its-sights-on-china/

Not so much sidling up to China as addressing/engaging it directly on an entity-to-country basis.

 

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On 6/12/2020 at 5:32 AM, Hugo Stiglitz said:

China, continues to suck.

 

I mean, Trumps says the same....

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China is out smarting us. They want Trump to win re-election so they can continue to take advantage of our incompetence 

 

Edited by LABEVO

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11 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

This isn’t much of a turf war.  China/India invading each other isn’t in either countries interests especially given everything else going on right now.  I also think it would take and egregious miscalculation for the US to get involved.  The NK/SK stuff is more unstable as far as we’re concerned, (which is also China related.)

[Serious] question: do you think anyone reading this thinks otherwise? Is anyone thinking "holy shit, this is WW 3!".

We all know it's a skirmish, India and China have had this skirmishes for literally decades. Yes any incident is interesting to read about, and I talk to colleagues in India about their perceptions, but even for a discussion board your comments are essentially fluffy air with no weight. Hell, a post that just says "wow" is less insufferable than a post making obvious declarative statements with a voice of insight that offers no insight at all.

COVID-19 is making me cranky.

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6 minutes ago, Serak The Preparer said:

question: do you think anyone reading this thinks otherwise? Is anyone thinking "holy shit, this is WW 3!".

I hope not but who knows?  Trump could try to use this situation as a distraction and attempt to paint this as WW3 type calamity that he somehow solves and declares victory.  I recognize my take isn’t insightful by itself.  It’s more preemptive if Trump tries to exploit the situation for political gain which I sadly expect him to.

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8 hours ago, LABEVO said:

China is out smarting us. They want Trump to win re-election so they can continue to take advantage of our incompetence 

You can say that about all of our enemies.  Our allies, not so much.

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Saw Indians are trending boycott China on Twitter, saw a post about an annual dog festival in China this weekend.





Wow, #yulan is some sick, graphic shit.

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https://nypost.com/2020/06/30/china-reportedly-releases-fedex-pilot-held-for-nine-months/

China reportedly releases FedEx pilot held for nine months

The Chinese Communist Party released a FedEx pilot who had been held for nine months on charges that he was smuggling ammunition, according to a report.

Todd Hohn, a retired US Air Force colonel, was detained on Sept. 12 by Communist Chinese officials while waiting for a commercial flight in Guangzhou after flying deliveries for the air carrier in Asia, the Wall Street Journal reported on Monday.

Authorities said they found nonmetallic pellets used in replica air guns in his luggage.

“After this lengthy legal process, his innocence was demonstrated and ultimately recognized,” Theodore Simon, Hohn’s lawyer, said in a statement. “He has been completely and officially exonerated. In fact, it was officially determined that no formal criminal charges would even be brought.”

Hohn was released from China on Saturday and reunited with his family in Florida.

“It should be noted that Todd, despite the ordeal, states he was treated with courtesy and respect and holds no animosity towards China, the authorities or the people of China and looks forward to returning there one day,” Simon said.

Hohn’s release comes amid turbulent tensions between Washington and Beijing over the coronavirus pandemic, trade issues and the situation in Hong Kong, where a harsh new national security law was just passed.

Last week, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo called on China to free two Canadian citizens charged with espionage to coerce Canada to release a top executive of tech giant Huawei.

Meng Wanzhou, the company’s chief financial officer, is being held on charges filed in the US.

The Canadians – Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor – were detained weeks after Meng was taken into custody at the Vancouver airport in 2018.

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