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I don't know. We all have our "here's what Lucas should have done with the prequels" ideas (Hayden has written books on this, imo) but I'm not sure what Abrams could have done with this after what he was left. Han, Luke, and Carrie Fisher were all dead and so was the big bad guy from the first two movies. There really wasn't a movie to be made, plot wise. So yeah, "hey look at this! Look at that! Quick don't stop to think. Hey look it's the Emperor! He's back! How? Doesn't matter. Hey look it's Lando! Remember Lando? Isn't this fun?"

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1 hour ago, Red Five said:

I don't know. We all have our "here's what Lucas should have done with the prequels" ideas (Hayden has written books on this, imo) but I'm not sure what Abrams could have done with this after what he was left. Han, Luke, and Carrie Fisher were all dead and so was the big bad guy from the first two movies. There really wasn't a movie to be made, plot wise. So yeah, "hey look at this! Look at that! Quick don't stop to think. Hey look it's the Emperor! He's back! How? Doesn't matter. Hey look it's Lando! Remember Lando? Isn't this fun?"

the movie sucked.  he might have some good excuses on why it sucked, but it is definitely on the minus side of his ledger.

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11 hours ago, Red Five said:

I don't know. We all have our "here's what Lucas should have done with the prequels" ideas (Hayden has written books on this, imo) but I'm not sure what Abrams could have done with this after what he was left. Han, Luke, and Carrie Fisher were all dead and so was the big bad guy from the first two movies. There really wasn't a movie to be made, plot wise. So yeah, "hey look at this! Look at that! Quick don't stop to think. Hey look it's the Emperor! He's back! How? Doesn't matter. Hey look it's Lando! Remember Lando? Isn't this fun?"

The whole trilogy was destined to suck when the first movie abandoned any logical continuity from the end of rotj.  .  Let's see, who was responsible for ep vii?

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There are only four Star Wars movies worth watching: the OT and Rogue One. Everything else is boring crap. And given the franchise’s track record since 1983 (1 good film in 8 attempts), it’s irrational to expect a new Star Wars movie to be anything other than shit.

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41 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

There are only four Star Wars movies worth watching: the OT and Rogue One. Everything else is boring crap. And given the franchise’s track record since 1983 (1 good film in 8 attempts), it’s irrational to expect a new Star Wars movie to be anything other than shit.

Still don’t get the love for rogue one. It’s pretty fucking boring till what’s her face is all “we’re rebels! We rebel!” The space battle was awesome but at that point I didn’t really care. I would’ve left pretty fucking pissed if we didn’t get the Vader kicking ass scene 

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1 minute ago, Fletch said:

Still don’t get the love for rogue one. It’s pretty fucking boring till what’s her face is all “we’re rebels! We rebel!” The space battle was awesome but at that point I didn’t really care. I would’ve left pretty fucking pissed if we didn’t get the Vader kicking ass scene 

“It sucked except for the awesome parts” can be said about any SW movie. The ending was the best part by far, and imo it was good enough to elevate the overall movie from decent to good. 

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Just now, BrickHorn said:

“It sucked except for the awesome parts” can be said about any SW movie. The ending was the best part by far, and imo it was good enough to elevate the overall movie from decent to good. 

Rewatched the OT on VHS during the “quarantine”. Yeah, the action was still awesome but in general I just enjoyed Luke, Han and Leia shooting the shit and whatnot. In Rogue One, I hardly remember any of the names, any of the dialogue except the awkward ass rebel speech and then we get some Star Wars porn but yeah. Didn’t give a shit when the main characters were getting slaughtered and I didn’t care about what was supposed to be a romantic shot while the planet is about to be blown to shit. So yeah pretty much the Vader scene saved it. That was the only time in the movie where I was all fired up. Shit, I liked the Solo movie more than Rogue One but eh. Whatever. To each their own 

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15 hours ago, Red Five said:

I don't know. We all have our "here's what Lucas should have done with the prequels" ideas (Hayden has written books on this, imo) but I'm not sure what Abrams could have done with this after what he was left. Han, Luke, and Carrie Fisher were all dead and so was the big bad guy from the first two movies. There really wasn't a movie to be made, plot wise. So yeah, "hey look at this! Look at that! Quick don't stop to think. Hey look it's the Emperor! He's back! How? Doesn't matter. Hey look it's Lando! Remember Lando? Isn't this fun?"

Still think he could have gone deeper with Kylo and the Knights of Ren. 

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TFA was fine, but sort of in a JJ Abrams sort of way.  His movies have you walking out the door, nodding your head, saying, okay, that was something.  But then once the flash and noise and l e n s e f l a r e wear off, it seems hollow. 

In that same vein, we were all having nervous laughter about a new star wars after the prequels.  then we saw TFA and it was the original all over again.  that left us nodding and relieved it wasn't the abortion that the previous three were.  but now, after all that reassurance has worn off, the movie has to stand as just a movie.  and it is kinda lame.

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13 hours ago, Fletch said:

Still don’t get the love for rogue one. It’s pretty fucking boring till what’s her face is all “we’re rebels! We rebel!” The space battle was awesome but at that point I didn’t really care. I would’ve left pretty fucking pissed if we didn’t get the Vader kicking ass scene 

This. It was fine, but I've never had the slightest desire to watch it again.

Also, I didn't find The Mandalorian to be anything special. Just a formulaic procedural...good guy trusts someone that he shouldn't, gets betrayed, has to fix busted ship at some point, "greatest warrior alive" gets his ass kicked and/or shot by human/alien/animal only to be saved by magical MacGuffin armor, rinse and repeat every episode. But "decent" for Star Wars in 2020 may as well be utterly brilliant. The universe is so ripe for interesting storytelling that I'm at least excited to see where it goes.

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Basically everything in every Star Wars movie after the OT has been a lost opportunity.  Out of 20 hours or so of film shot with an unlimited budget, the total sum of bits that are worthwhile (on any level, whether it’s evoking actual wonder/emotion from the audience or just being something that people remember years later for good reasons) consist of about 5 individual scenes/moments.  And two of those are from TPM, which is otherwise one of the most cringeworthy movies ever.

1. Darth Maul light saber fight with Obi Wan and Rob Roy McGregor in TPM.

2. Pod race in TPM.

3. Han and Chewie show up in TFA.

4. Lightsaber gets force pulled out of the snow as the classic(ish) music ramps up in TFA.

5. Final battle in Rogue One, with Vader going apeshit as the fan service coup de grace.

Do most people you know even remember the characters’ names in Rogue One without looking it up?  And that was the “good” one.  These are basically Michael Bay or Fast and Furious movies at this point, except in a way worse since they’re actually not as funny as a Michael Bay movie and they’re held up as continuations of the OT so people keep expecting them to be magical.

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7 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

the bits that are worthwhile consist of about 5 individual scenes/moments.

 

2. Pod race in TPM.

 

No

 

Where is the duel between Obi and Anakin on this list?  It's better than the Maul duel you have at number 1.

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My list wasn’t in ranked order, but I would absolutely include the Darth Maul battle as something that has held up better than Anakin and Obi battle.   People remember that one for lasting 30 minutes and for the “high ground” inexplicably being the resolution to a fight between space wizards with omnipotent powers on a lava planet.  

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3 minutes ago, Amos Moses said:

Legit LOL at “space wizards with omnipotent powers on a lava planet.”

Also, I think the rediscovery of the Falcon on Jakku and subsequent escape ranks up there for memorable moments.

Yeah, flying the Falcon through the husk of a downed Star Destroyer was pretty awesome.  

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I don't remember much of the last two movies, so forgive me if I get some things wrong, but here is how I would have ended it. 

Obviously, we need a big bad.  That big bad has to be either Kylo or Rey.  Everybody half-expected Rey to flip, so that is too predictable.  Plus it would require Kylo flipping the other way for balance.  So it has to be Kylo.

So if Kylo is indeed the big bad, you have to lean into it and make him even more evil.  And make him bad ass while you are at it.  One of the great things about the original trilogy is that Luke went from being whiny kid to bad ass.  Repeat that here.  Kylo goes from being a kinda powerful whiny kid to being a very powerful and very cunning.  But you don't need him to be any more powerful with the force (by inventing any stupid new tricks), you need him to be more mentally powerful.  Give him some credibility that he can actually win and rule.

That starts with him killing Leah.  Build some depth with him struggling over the decision or whatever, and then have him kill her anyway.  Either way, she has to go in the first 5 minutes of the movie. She is terrible and actually dead in real life. Too distracting otherwise. 

To really save the series though you need a shocking ending.  And the best ending would be for the bad guys to win.  Let Kylo try to turn Rey.  How to do that?  Take a page from the OT.  Capture all her friends, but this time actually start killing them one by one.  Darken this mofo up.  After they are all dead, she has an almost turn similar to Luke.  But in the end he kills her in a way that can leave no doubts and ascends to universal dominance.

Maybe a final scene with Kylo looking into space like Luke and Leah did at the end of Episode V.  Or Al Pacino in Godfather 2.  Wondering if it was worth it.  If the Michael Jordan documentary has taught us anything it is that we love someone with singular focus even if they are an a-hole.  Make Kylo that a-hole.

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20 hours ago, aggie08 said:

This. It was fine, but I've never had the slightest desire to watch it again.

Also, I didn't find The Mandalorian to be anything special. Just a formulaic procedural...good guy trusts someone that he shouldn't, gets betrayed, has to fix busted ship at some point, "greatest warrior alive" gets his ass kicked and/or shot by human/alien/animal only to be saved by magical MacGuffin armor, rinse and repeat every episode. But "decent" for Star Wars in 2020 may as well be utterly brilliant. The universe is so ripe for interesting storytelling that I'm at least excited to see where it goes.

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Mando was kick ass!!

2 hours ago, longhornmatt said:

 

Do most people you know even remember the characters’ names in Rogue One without looking it up?  And that was the “good” one.  These are basically Michael Bay or Fast and Furious movies at this point, except in a way worse since they’re actually not as funny as a Michael Bay movie and they’re held up as continuations of the OT so people keep expecting them to be magical.

I would think that yes, if you like a film and enjoyed watching it then you’ll know the characters names — opposite if you didn’t like it. Comparing the saga to Bay or F&F is a stretch. Rogue One was a great SW film IMO because it portrays sacrifice really well. It was original in terms of something we haven’t seen in the SW films, too. It had it’s bad moments like all Star Wars movies do but overall it’s one of the best, especially from Disney. 

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2 hours ago, longhornmatt said:

My list wasn’t in ranked order, but I would absolutely include the Darth Maul battle as something that has held up better than Anakin and Obi battle.   People remember that one for lasting 30 minutes and for the “high ground” inexplicably being the resolution to a fight between space wizards with omnipotent powers on a lava planet.  

Also, "I wish they would get all this CGI off the screen so I could actually focus on this lightsaber battle I've been waiting 30 years to see."

I remember on the dvd extras there's a segment where they're talking about how it took like three months to create this one CGI shot of Obi-wan and Anakin completely surrounded by lava. And it looked like shit. 

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On 5/6/2020 at 8:08 PM, Red Five said:

Also, "I wish they would get all this CGI off the screen so I could actually focus on this lightsaber battle I've been waiting 30 years to see."

I remember on the dvd extras there's a segment where they're talking about how it took like three months to create this one CGI shot of Obi-wan and Anakin completely surrounded by lava. And it looked like shit. 

I actually thought the lightsaber duel on the death star remains in RoS was pretty good. 

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On 5/6/2020 at 8:08 PM, Red Five said:

Also, "I wish they would get all this CGI off the screen so I could actually focus on this lightsaber battle I've been waiting 30 years to see."

I remember on the dvd extras there's a segment where they're talking about how it took like three months to create this one CGI shot of Obi-wan and Anakin completely surrounded by lava. And it looked like shit. 

God yes.  The entire PT was a CGI shitfest.  The originals made with practical effects 20 years earlier looked better.

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